America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,235
    Why can’t we be like this?

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
       
  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,406
    WTF?
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/29/us/church-shooting-texas/index.html
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,430
    edited December 2019
    I wonder how much gun violence could be prevented if this wasnt so.....


    Updated Dec. 4, 1:33 p.m. | The FBI never completes hundreds of thousands of gun background checks each year because of a deadline that requires it to purge them from its computers, despite a report that raised alarms about the practice in 2015.

    The data obtained by CQ Roll Call, which has not been previously published, shows how the FBI still struggles to complete background checks four years after a breakdown in the system contributed to a shooting in Charleston, South Carolina, that left nine black churchgoers dead.

    A 2015 internal report on what went wrong in that case recommended ways to decrease the number of background checks that take longer than 88 days. After that point, the FBI must purge checks from its computers. That year, the bureau processed more than 8.9 million checks and never completed 200,360. That number rose in 2016 and 2017 before a slight dip last year, when the FBI processed 8.2 million checks but did not complete 201,323.

     


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  • mickeyrat
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    All told, the FBI did not complete over 1.1 million background checks from 2014 through July 2019. 

    Since the data is purged, it’s impossible to know how many of those people have purchased guns without a completed background check — or how many  purchases would have been blocked if the background checks were complete. 

    “Based on this data, it would be illogical to argue that Americans are more safe today than they were in 2015,” said W. Mullins McLeod Jr., who represents several families of Charleston victims. The families are suing the federal government over what they say was FBI negligence that allowed shooter Dylann Roof to buy a gun despite a previous drug arrest that should have prohibited him.

    The FBI said in a statement that it needs "accurate, complete and timely information" from other law enforcement agencies to complete a background check. Often, the FBI has to request incident reports or other records at the time of a check because they are not already in its databases.

    "Sometimes this information is not available, the agency doesn’t respond, or a response is delayed," the bureau said. "The NICS Section continues working the transaction until required by law to purge it from the NICS."

    The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, is the official term for the gun background check system. It is meant to ensure that people who can’t legally buy a gun — like those convicted of a felony or under a restraining orders — don’t buy one from a licensed dealer. The FBI can usually give the dealer an immediate answer. But it has to delay about 11 percent of sales to do more research.



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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
    You know what?  I should be glad that someone hasn't posted the article.  Not everything should be doom and gloom on here.  But yes, because there was no gun used it will soon be forgotten.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,235
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
    You know what?  I should be glad that someone hasn't posted the article.  Not everything should be doom and gloom on here.  But yes, because there was no gun used it will soon be forgotten.
    Machete attack with multiple victims happens about once a year, maybe? Gun attack with multiple victims happens multiple times a day in ‘Murica. Only double digit body counts seem to matter so immune are we. Anyone remember Parkland? How about Pulse? Maybe Vegas? Nah.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
    You know what?  I should be glad that someone hasn't posted the article.  Not everything should be doom and gloom on here.  But yes, because there was no gun used it will soon be forgotten.
    Every incident is soon forgotten by everyone but the victims and their loved ones. 

    It’s getting headlines now, regardless of the method. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
    You know what?  I should be glad that someone hasn't posted the article.  Not everything should be doom and gloom on here.  But yes, because there was no gun used it will soon be forgotten.
    It will be quickly forgotten not because of the weapon used but because of who was attacked. 
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
    You know what?  I should be glad that someone hasn't posted the article.  Not everything should be doom and gloom on here.  But yes, because there was no gun used it will soon be forgotten.
    Every incident is soon forgotten by everyone but the victims and their loved ones. 

    It’s getting headlines now, regardless of the method. 
    Yes, but not on the AET
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    A dude w a machete went ballistic on a house full of worshiping Jews.  Does that get any headlines?

    Yeah, tons, including NYT front page, plus most other major news agencies, including in Canada and internationally. Are you suggesting it isn't being covered because it wasn't a firearm?
    You know what?  I should be glad that someone hasn't posted the article.  Not everything should be doom and gloom on here.  But yes, because there was no gun used it will soon be forgotten.
    Every incident is soon forgotten by everyone but the victims and their loved ones. 

    It’s getting headlines now, regardless of the method. 
    Yes, but not on the AET

    If you want it on AET, add sports to it. Or pets ;)

    Presumably you meant AMT, in which case it might be more the time of year. The only new thread in a couple of weeks or more is brian's end of the year review. People are busy doing other things, as is probably best. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,235
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

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  • mcgruff10
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Available evidence does not support your theory. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,235
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Go to church, get shot, witness a shoot out. Praise the sweet baby Jesus, hallelujah, amen. ‘Murica.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A whole bunch of “responsible” gun owners in ‘Murica. Sure am glad we have that 2A. What a country.

    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Texas church goers are definitely appreciated of the 2nd amendment and the right to carry.  Pretty sure many people thought Texas would become the “Wild West”.  As usual responsible people prevail.  
    Go to church, get shot, witness a shoot out. Praise the sweet baby Jesus, hallelujah, amen. ‘Murica.
    lol yeah they are all praising the security hero but fail to mention that the shooter was mentally unhinged and still was able to have a weapon to kill , so if the argument is more guns equals more safe space they are wrong ..
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    This changes nothing mass murders will still happen @ church , malls, restaurants, concerts , hospitals, schools, have I forgotten anything go ahead 2A protectors tell us where is the safe spaces? 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,625
    https://apple.news/AY11iTUvcSBSI1AWpZuLD0A
    Ah yes the fun of shooting your weapons on New Years is so much fun like a family outing surely they must know what goes up must come down ..idiots abound 
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