America's Gun Violence

pjhawks

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

it was a gang member shooting at a rival gang. don't try to equate this with a kid taking his parents guns to school and shooting up his classmates.    of course those parents were law abiding gun owners

the question that should be asked in the Trenton case is who thought it was a good idea to have an all-night festival in a warehouse in t he heart of Trenton NJ? 

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

HesCalledDyer

PJPOWER said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

You only support laws when they conveniently line with your opinion.

And do you support laws that are not in line with your opinion?  Lol

The dude abides.

mcgruff10

pjhawks said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

it was a gang member shooting at a rival gang. don't try to equate this with a kid taking his parents guns to school and shooting up his classmates.    of course those parents were law abiding gun owners

the question that should be asked in the Trenton case is who thought it was a good idea to have an all-night festival in a warehouse in t he heart of Trenton NJ? 

I'm totally not trying to equate this to a school shooting.  
And you are 100% right, who decided to have an all night festival in the middle of trenton?  Nothing good happens at 3am.

mcgruff10

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Next to the fertilizer warehouse that the realtor can’t legally tell you might explode, never mind that it’s next door 
 

PJPOWER

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Really depends on what you are looking for.  Great thing about Texas is that there are mountains, canyons, flatlands, forests, beaches, wetlands, and everything in between .  

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

I have never thought about it that way, but I do think that is pretty true outside of agriculture (farmers/ranchers are usually pretty defined by those roles).  In Austin, though, many people go to work in their swimsuits and hit the springs as soon as they get off.

mcgruff10

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

I never thought of it that way but you are right.  My next trip out west is gonna be either montana, idaho or wyoming.
I absolutely love california (been there about 8 times) but despise los angeles and the surrounding areas.

Bentleyspop

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

In Colorado most of the people adhere to the work to live not live to work analogy.

my2hands

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

Good guy with a gun?

Unless you are a connected politician or retired/current police officer it is virtually impossible to get a carry permit in New Jersey. So there are literally zero good guns with guns in nj. 

I guess that 4% American made Budweiser rendered you feeble lol!

Stupid joke I made earlier on your fumbled words (highlighted for you).

Cheers.

So zero non cops are allowed to carry in New Jersey. 

And that's a bad thing? If so, why is it bad? Sounds like the only thing NJ got right to me

mcgruff10

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

Good guy with a gun?

Unless you are a connected politician or retired/current police officer it is virtually impossible to get a carry permit in New Jersey. So there are literally zero good guns with guns in nj. 

I guess that 4% American made Budweiser rendered you feeble lol!

Stupid joke I made earlier on your fumbled words (highlighted for you).

Cheers.

So zero non cops are allowed to carry in New Jersey. 

And that's a bad thing? If so, why is it bad? Sounds like the only thing NJ got right to me

Bad thing imo.  

tbergs

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

Good guy with a gun?

Unless you are a connected politician or retired/current police officer it is virtually impossible to get a carry permit in New Jersey. So there are literally zero good guns with guns in nj. 

I guess that 4% American made Budweiser rendered you feeble lol!

Stupid joke I made earlier on your fumbled words (highlighted for you).

Cheers.

So zero non cops are allowed to carry in New Jersey. 

And that's a bad thing? If so, why is it bad? Sounds like the only thing NJ got right to me

Bad thing imo.  

Is it a feeling of safety you would be missing or do you really believe they make life safer? It seems there is this belief among gun owners that if they don't have a gun there will just be all these "bad hombres" running loose robbing and assaulting people at will with no way to protect themselves.

Do you carry? If so, how many times have you had to use your gun to defend yourself?

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

I have never thought about it that way, but I do think that is pretty true outside of agriculture (farmers/ranchers are usually pretty defined by those roles).  In Austin, though, many people go to work in their swimsuits and hit the springs as soon as they get off.

Ah...Austin.. an oasis of awesomeness.  

mrussel1

Bentleyspop said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

In Colorado most of the people adhere to the work to live not live to work analogy.

I would definitely put Colorado in that camp.  I think CO is probably the best state in the Union right now.  There's a lot going for it.  If I wasn't so rooted in family and job here in Virginia, I'd be out there in a minute.  I travel there 4x a year and love every minute.  

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

bootlegger10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJPOWER said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

mickeyrat said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

this seems to be a gunfight over stupid shit.

not that the festival was a target.

That's what i figured.  
I am sure the shooter went through all the proper background checks, fingerprinted, got a referral from his boss and had a current firearms id card.

Scruffy are you being sarcastic?

But of course (although that is what you actually have to go through in nj to get a firearm).  He was a known gang member who just got out of jail for homicide; legally he can't even own a firearm.

I’d be willing to bet that gun laws weren’t even on the gangsta’s radar. 

Yeah I believe he had an extended mag which are illegal in the people's republic of new jersey.
PJpower you'll love this: nj just changed their tight gun laws yet again to 10 rounds max.  So I know have to either forfeit all my 15 round mags or pay to get them blocked.  I hate this state.

I’m sure all residents are good little law abiding citizens like you and will comply with those magazine laws.  How are the authorities going to even know who is complying and who is not?  I’m guessing they are not going door to door checking everything everyone owns...I bet it makes someone feel good, though.  Gotta pander to the gun control crowd’s feelings now and then when not actually doing anything to make a difference.   

That is why I am a big proponent of H-Bombs for all.  If criminals can get their hands on them, we might as well make them legal then.  Same with bank robberies.  Criminals do them so let's just make it legal for all.  Give me your address and I'm going to steal your TV and valuables since that is currently illegal, but in your world there is no need for laws if people just break them.

No, I understand the need for laws, just not ones that absolutely cannot be enforced.
Also not a fan of laws that essentially turn someone into a criminal for possession of something they purchased legally.  Thanks again captain exaggeration.

Here's a quick pro tip, when someone commits a crime with a banned weapon or accessory they will probably have added charges and jail time. Does that make you feel better?

I have zero problem with that.  I do have a problem that these new laws have effectively made hundreds of thousands of gun owners criminals after they were purchased legally. 

Exactly!  I know we were joking about I earlier, but what about calibers that use the same mags (.458 socom and .223)?  If it were labeled a .458 SOCOM mag, would it be legal since it can only hold 10 rounds of that caliber?  There are so many loopholes...but if it makes people feel good, then I guess it is a good law.

I would think that it would be legal.  I have an ithaca .22 lr that my grandmother gave my grandfather before entering the service during ww2 (made around 1942)...it is a tubular magazine that holds 15 rounds.  I'm guessing I have to turn that in (which is complete bs)?

Yikes, I haven’t read your new law, but are you sure it does not just apply to detachable mags (no tubular)?  Sorry you are having to “try” to comply with poorly constructed feel good laws.  What is keeping you in NJ?  Texas has plenty of opportunities and you would not be a criminal here, lol

My family keeps me here. I'm remarried so I have partial custody for my son.  There is no way I could move away from him.  But when they get older I do plan on moving out west somewhere.  I still have to visit Texas!  What is a good place to start?

Off topic.. but here's the thing about the west, in my experience.  And this is particularly true of the coastal west (not TX).  CA gets a bad rap from conservatives for lots of reasons (I guess it's bad to have the 6th largest economy in the world), but there is one thing that I really like after having worked with west coast people a lot.  

On the East coast, where I've lived all my life, including metro DC, people define themselves by their job.  On the west coast, I find that people define themselves by what they do with their free time.  In other words, a job is simply a facilitator for a better, more fulfilling life.  I think it's damn true that east coasters do define themselves by work.  I think the west coasters have got it right in this case and that's really appealing to me.  

I never thought of it that way but you are right.  My next trip out west is gonna be either montana, idaho or wyoming.
I absolutely love california (been there about 8 times) but despise los angeles and the surrounding areas.

Agreed, LA sucks.  It's over the top.  Monterrey is the place for me...

mcgruff10

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

stuckinline said:

When will this shit end?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/17/us/new-jersey-art-festival-shooting/index.html

Good guy with a gun?

Unless you are a connected politician or retired/current police officer it is virtually impossible to get a carry permit in New Jersey. So there are literally zero good guns with guns in nj. 

I guess that 4% American made Budweiser rendered you feeble lol!

Stupid joke I made earlier on your fumbled words (highlighted for you).

Cheers.

So zero non cops are allowed to carry in New Jersey. 

And that's a bad thing? If so, why is it bad? Sounds like the only thing NJ got right to me

Bad thing imo.  

Is it a feeling of safety you would be missing or do you really believe they make life safer? It seems there is this belief among gun owners that if they don't have a gun there will just be all these "bad hombres" running loose robbing and assaulting people at will with no way to protect themselves.

Do you carry? If so, how many times have you had to use your gun to defend yourself?

I don’t carry because nj makes it impossible to legally carry. Honestly the only time I would carry is when I am in the woods. I ve seem some real sketchy people over the years. Plus I sometimes hike in bear country, it would be nice to have something other than bear bells lol. 

HesCalledDyer

Pretty much impossible to legally carry in Maryland too.  Basically have to be a police or federal officer or an armored truck driver. Otherwise, there is no carry.  And I'm ok with that.  I actually feel a lot safer that way than knowing a bunch of rednecks in a bar might all have their sidearms on them ready to pick fights er, I mean, defend me against tyranny.

mcgruff10

HesCalledDyer said:

Pretty much impossible to legally carry in Maryland too.  Basically have to be a police or federal officer or an armored truck driver. Otherwise, there is no carry.  And I'm ok with that.  I actually feel a lot safer that way than knowing a bunch of rednecks in a bar might all have their sidearms on them ready to pick fights er, I mean, defend me against tyranny.

Totally agree that carrying in a bar is retarted. Alcohol and firearms should never mix in any capacity.