America's Gun Violence

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tempo_n_groove said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?

Most likely because the gov't clearly hates spending money on education.  How many different cities/states are suing for funding?

This would be a big added cost to the schools budget.

Mine sure is. IL is a joke. You’re right though. It wouldn’t get funded.

I did agree it was a viable option, in theory, but i never envisioned airport security lines. Obviously that wouldn’t work. Getting kids to school 2 hours early isn’t the solution. 

PJPOWER

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

tbergs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?

How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.

I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.

it's not negative to be realistic. "too many doors" is just another deflection from the gun lobby. it's preposterous at best. what happens if there's a fire? or if the shooter is able to make it past the security at the one door, when all the kids are running for their lives to that one door to escape, he mows them all down. 

this isn't the left saying "well we can't use THAT solution, then we can't take your guns!". keep your hand guns and rifles. make it impossible to get AR-15's or anything like it. it's been done before. it can and should be done again. 

And what about the millions or billions already out there?  No one is going to sell them to the govt for “fair market values.  Maybe offer $5000 for each firearm turned in...Bloomberg could do that with half of what he spent campaigning against firearms...maybe even tap into some of those Soros funds, lol. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

tbergs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?

How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.

I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.

it's not negative to be realistic. "too many doors" is just another deflection from the gun lobby. it's preposterous at best. what happens if there's a fire? or if the shooter is able to make it past the security at the one door, when all the kids are running for their lives to that one door to escape, he mows them all down. 

this isn't the left saying "well we can't use THAT solution, then we can't take your guns!". keep your hand guns and rifles. make it impossible to get AR-15's or anything like it. it's been done before. it can and should be done again. 

Not that I agree with the "too many door" argument, but your scenarios are easily solved. My school, shortly after Sandy Hook, kept all of the doors, but turned them into either exit only or emergency exits only by locking them from the outside only. They remodeled the entrance of the school so that students can only enter through the front, and Any parent or late student who arrives after classes begin are funneled through the main office, through a series of doors that have to be "buzzed" open.
It won't really prevent a kid from walking in with the rest of school with guns, but it will make it very difficult for someone to just show up and walk in after school has started. And we still have dozens of exits to use in emergencies. 
You only need to control the entrance, you don't as tight of security on the exits.

We did have a student open an exit to let a former student in with a gun earlier this  year. But it sounded alarms and both were arrested. NO incident came of it, I think once he realized he was immediately spotted he ran off, the gun was never found.

tbergs

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

tbergs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?

How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.

I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.

it's not negative to be realistic. "too many doors" is just another deflection from the gun lobby. it's preposterous at best. what happens if there's a fire? or if the shooter is able to make it past the security at the one door, when all the kids are running for their lives to that one door to escape, he mows them all down. 

this isn't the left saying "well we can't use THAT solution, then we can't take your guns!". keep your hand guns and rifles. make it impossible to get AR-15's or anything like it. it's been done before. it can and should be done again. 

And what about the millions or billions already out there?  No one is going to sell them to the govt for “fair market values.  Maybe offer $5000 for each firearm turned in...Bloomberg could do that with half of what he spent campaigning against firearms...maybe even tap into some of those Soros funds, lol. 

According to the NRA, there were about 5 million AR's owned by Americans in 2016. Other research puts it as high as 10 million, which is actually a small percentage of the over 300 million total firearms owned in the US. With that said we have doubled production of firearms in the last 10 years overall, which is crazy.

https://public.tableau.com/views/Gunboom/Dashboard1?:embed=y&:loadOrderID=0&:display_count=yes&:showTabs=y

Why anyone would expect to get $5,000 for their $500 gun is beyond me. That would be stupid. If you aren't willing to get full value of what you paid, as long as it's in decent condition, then you probably aren't ever going to sell your gun anyway. But yeah, a buyback program will never work, if we don't change the gun culture. Buy back a million while the manufacturers are making 10 million more of them every year. That's also stupid.

PJPOWER

Edit, read your post wrong in original post.  But I agree, buyback will not work unless the owners are offered way more incentives to sell them.  No one buys one to turn around and sell for the same price.  And if production of them is made illegal, then the ones in existence become way more valuable.

PJ_Soul

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?

I assume this idea is to try and stop rampage killers? Well what happens when the rampage killer shoots the person standing next to the metal detector and goes on his merry way?
Metal detectors at schools are not meant to stop these kinds of mass shootings. They are used in really problematic schools that have huge gang issues, where kids will smuggle weapons into the school because they use them against other kids during fights and shit like that. These kinds of security tactics are not practical for all schools at all when it comes to preventing rampage shootings, and not least because it would be a massive waste of money given the actual risk. Yes, these mass killings at schools are horrible, but the chances of a kid being killed at school is only about 1 in a million (I looked it up), and that doesn't only include mass shootings. No matter how scared and disturbed people are, reactions like installing extreme security measures in every school in the country (and by doing so, changing the school experience for the worse, while not actually working to prevent the problem that is meant to be fixed) simply does not make sense logistically or economically. This kind of thing isn't a Band-aid solution. It's a knee-jerk reaction.

josevolution

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

tbergs said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

One thing I don’t mind paying for in my taxes is to have all schools install metal detectors at all entrances/exits.  It won’t stop everything but it’s an easy start.

9/11 happened and look what we all go through at airports since then.  A necessary precaution to getting my ass blown up or some other airborne terrorism.  

School shootings have happened, why the delay to install hardcore detection at the doors and secure methods to keep the guns out?

How does this even make logical sense? Besides the cost to do so, schools don't have one designated entrance and exit like an airport that allows for controlled check points. On top of that, will schools be notifying parents to arrive an hour to an hour and a half early to go through security clearance? Then there's recess, bus pick up and drop off, etc. You might as well build a wall with razor wire on top too. Maybe you think that's a ridiculous comparison, but that's where it's headed.

I think it was pretty logical.  If they can’t get guns into the school they can’t shoot people.  Why can’t they make it just in or two designated entrances/exits? Sounds to me like you’re looking for bad things in a possible solution instead of the right things in it.

Wait, you mean I have to show up 3 hours before my flight to get through security?  Oh my god! Oh wait, we do that without blinking an eye now.

i will give zero shitz about dropping my kid off at 6am every morning.

but hey, I’m just trying to come up with scenarios that will help, not argue in circles about why we can’t do things.  People told me I shouldn’t open a business years ago because of the risk but I’m opening my 3rd. I don’t listen to negative nancies, I just do.

How about sitting in class with them so you can protect them in case a shooter comes barreling thru i mean if your willing to get them up at 5AM to get them to school might as well sit in with them too lol , hey did you name your PIZZA shop yet i gave you a good name to use was curious if you used it ? Make Pizza Great Again what you think ? ...

unsung

tbergs said:

unsung said:

So brave...lol.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/elizabeth-warren-vows-refuse-nra-money/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.

Nah, just pointing out her virtue signaling.

But when the NRA starts shooting up schools instead of the registered democrats that are doing it then make sure to make a sign.

unsung

People will ignore your BS laws...

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/nobody_turned_in_their_bump_stocks_say_new_jersey_state_police

Gern Blansten

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

So brave...lol.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/elizabeth-warren-vows-refuse-nra-money/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.

Nah, just pointing out her virtue signaling.

But when the NRA starts shooting up schools instead of the registered democrats that are doing it then make sure to make a sign.

you triggered bro?

OnWis97

tbergs said:

unsung said:

So brave...lol.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/elizabeth-warren-vows-refuse-nra-money/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.

More specifically that she's not going to let this particular rights group trade organization influence her.  I have adopted a rule that I won't vote for anyone that's taken NRA money after Parkland.  I don't pretend to know the answers but I do think we're better off without the trade organization having such a large place at the table.  So all I can do is this.

mace1229

Her comment made me laugh. Did anyone think she was taking donations from them? Has the NRA ever even tried to donate to her?
Its like if after the Vegas shooting if McDonald's came out and said they will stop giving out AR-15s with a Big MAc.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

People will ignore your BS laws...

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/nobody_turned_in_their_bump_stocks_say_new_jersey_state_police

Tough guys lol

Halifax2TheMax

Pretty sporting outfit, dontcha think? I particularly like the purple pocket hanky that matches his shirt. Talk about style.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

So brave...lol.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/elizabeth-warren-vows-refuse-nra-money/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.

Nah, just pointing out her virtue signaling.

But when the NRA starts shooting up schools instead of the registered democrats that are doing it then make sure to make a sign.

so other than a cheap shot to your "enemies", how is political affiliation relevant in any way to mass shooters? should we also mention which rock stars/pop stars they like? maybe they're all ted nugent fans? or britney spears?

or maybe they all like the same type of fucking killing machine. the ones you advocate for. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

So brave...lol.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/elizabeth-warren-vows-refuse-nra-money/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.

Nah, just pointing out her virtue signaling.

But when the NRA starts shooting up schools instead of the registered democrats that are doing it then make sure to make a sign.

so other than a cheap shot to your "enemies", how is political affiliation relevant in any way to mass shooters? should we also mention which rock stars/pop stars they like? maybe they're all ted nugent fans? or britney spears?

or maybe they all like the same type of fucking killing machine. the ones you advocate for. 

It’s the incorrect belief that posters like this push, that most mass murderers are Democrats. It’s been proven wrong, but they like their incorrect version anyway. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

tbergs said:

unsung said:

So brave...lol.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/22/elizabeth-warren-vows-refuse-nra-money/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

Do you think she was trying to be brave? She's making it clear to the voters where she stands and is asking others to do the same. For someone who claims to have no allegiance to the NRA you sure are quick to speak out for them.

Nah, just pointing out her virtue signaling.

But when the NRA starts shooting up schools instead of the registered democrats that are doing it then make sure to make a sign.

so other than a cheap shot to your "enemies", how is political affiliation relevant in any way to mass shooters? should we also mention which rock stars/pop stars they like? maybe they're all ted nugent fans? or britney spears?

or maybe they all like the same type of fucking killing machine. the ones you advocate for. 

It’s the incorrect belief that posters like this push, that most mass murderers are Democrats. It’s been proven wrong, but they like their incorrect version anyway. 

What about that super liberal Timothy McVeigh?  Explain that away Mr. Demoncrat...

mcgruff10

It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 

my2hands

mcgruff10 said:

It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 

One side of the aisle is fine with that generally 

mcgruff10

my2hands said:

mcgruff10 said:

It is so odd to me that I could go buy any gun I want today with zero training. I wish both parties would come together and require some sort of training course upon initial purchase.  Something like a hunter safety course. 

One side of the aisle is fine with that generally 

Agreed.  I don’t know how anybody can say initial training is bad or somehow against the 2nd amendment.