America's Gun Violence

rgambs · May 2018

dankind said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

And massacres keep happening , are there to many guns in the country ?

While I would agree that the sheer number of guns does contribute, I don't see any evidence that the number of guns is the main factor.
For years gun homicides were on the decline, while gun sales increased. They spiked in the early 90s and declined for about 20 years, until about 2014 where they began to increase again.
So gun sales may contribute, but there is definitely more to it than just gun sales. As frustrated as some get when people point the fingers and gun owners and say we're to blame because of the number of goes, we get equally frustrated that thinking limiting gun sales is going to solve the problem. It isn't.
I'm willing to try most of what has been suggested. Maybe I'm wrong and we'll see a big drop, its worth a shot. But I just don't expect to see a big change until we look to other causes as well. Putting more into mental health, putting more into our young kids. Its been mentioned that most of them are young white males. That is true, but they also have more in common. Young white males who feel like an outcast in society. Lets think of ways to address that too.

I agree, but at the same time, there are young white male outcasts in all western nations.

I didnt know how much it has increased until this morning. Gun homicides have gone up about 40-50% since 2014. I had no idea it was that big of an increase.
So we are creating more outcasts or doing something very different than we did just a few years ago to see this big of a difference.

We can only speculate about the answers to the questions that you have asked -- making assumptions, casting aspersions, precluding solutions -- until years of research are conducted (and thousands of Americans are added to the death count) to come up with hard data that one side of this issue will label spurious.

Or we can face an obvious fact that's staring us all in the face right now -- namely, that 100% of these escalating guns homicides involve guns -- and force our representatives to do their goddamn jobs or get them the hell out of there. Or we can run for office ourselves. All it takes is some signatures.

Until this issue is addressed and attempted solutions are implemented, I am a one-issue voter (when I vote). I don't care if the person running fucks goats on the regular. If s/he is advocating for some form of commonsense gun laws and the opposition is happy with the status quo or advocating for a more guns, then I'll have a giant goat fucker sign in my yard.

That's where I'm at as well.
Goat fuckers all day.

Really though, this issue just reinforces my opinion that the only way to move the country forward is to vote for the Democrat most likely to win in every race at every level. I make the distinction because voting for Jill Stein, or whatever very liberal equivalent, is not going to get us anywhere at all. We need electable Democrats in office and then we need to absolutely hammer the shit out of them to keep them from being the sort of career politicians who don't actually do anything progressive.

dankind · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

Correlation: A lot of gun homicides are related to organized crime. Gangsters often sell drugs or (gasp!!) guns for a living, and they protect their livelihoods when they're encroached upon by rival gangs by shooting members of the rival gangs until they are dead.

my2hands · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

josevolution · May 2018

So the amount of guns that are currently in circulation which is a staggering number i'm sure has nothing to do with the amount of deaths each yr ?

OnWis97 · May 2018

josevolution said:

So the amount of guns that are currently in circulation which is a staggering number i'm sure has nothing to do with the amount of deaths each yr ?

Sure it does. It's too few. Once teachers, movie ushers, and everyone else is armed, we'll all be safer. Mutually Assured Destruction for the Drunken Masses.

my2hands · May 2018

josevolution said:

So the amount of guns that are currently in circulation which is a staggering number i'm sure has nothing to do with the amount of deaths each yr ?

Nope.

#TooManyDoors

fife · May 2018

OnWis97 said:

josevolution said:

So the amount of guns that are currently in circulation which is a staggering number i'm sure has nothing to do with the amount of deaths each yr ?

Sure it does. It's too few. Once teachers, movie ushers, and everyone else is armed, we'll all be safer. Mutually Assured Destruction for the Drunken Masses.

I sense you are joking but if not then I don't know what to say.

OnWis97 · May 2018

fife said:

OnWis97 said:

josevolution said:

So the amount of guns that are currently in circulation which is a staggering number i'm sure has nothing to do with the amount of deaths each yr ?

Sure it does. It's too few. Once teachers, movie ushers, and everyone else is armed, we'll all be safer. Mutually Assured Destruction for the Drunken Masses.

I sense you are joking but if not then I don't know what to say.

Yeah...I put in the last sentence to try to make it more evident.

PJPOWER · May 2018

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

josevolution · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

rgambs · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Many, very many.

But fewer than I would attribute to guns lol
Batting a thousand, as they say.

my2hands · May 2018

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

let me answer it another way, since we are on the topic....

it would seem that more opiates introduced to the American public sure did have an adverse affect on addiction and overdoses... imagine that

but guns? no, there are too many doors and godless fucks like me running around

josevolution · May 2018

my2hands said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

let me answer it another way, since we are on the topic....
it would seem that more opiates introduced to the American public sure did have an adverse affect on addiction and overdoses... imagine that

but guns? no, there are too many doors and godless fucks like me running around

yep, i'm on the Godless train myself so what do i know i guess i need God ....

PJPOWER · May 2018

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

I’m not sure it is a “number in circulation” kind of problem. A person that wants one would get one if the number in circulation were cut in half. If one person has 30 and keeps them in a well protected safe, they are most likely not going to be an issue. If person B owns one and leaves it out on the kitchen table all of the time, then it could very well become an issue. An argument could be made that if there were fewer in circulation, then maybe they would cost too much for certain people, but I can see holes in that as well...Do I believe that focusing on the number in circulation is the best strategy? No, I do not. My reasoning behind that is when it comes to “how”? How are the number in circulation going to get cut down? If you cannot prevent an earthquake, what measures can you take to minimize the loss of life?

mace1229 · May 2018

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

I don't know how to answer that question.
My first thought is no, as long as there are appropriate measures to make sure the wrong people don't get them and those who do have them store them properly. What difference does it make if a responsible gun owner (and I believe most gun owners are actually responsible, not just "responsible" until they aren't) has 2 or 20 guns? If they are law-abiding and properly stored.
But more guns out there does means inevitably more guns in the hands of the wrong people.
But instead of preventing more guns from being manufactured, I think more strict laws on who gets them and storage requirements would be more effective.
10 guns in the wrong hands will be more deadly than 1000 guns in the right hands.

oftenreading · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

I’m not sure it is a “number in circulation” kind of problem. A person that wants one would get one if the number in circulation were cut in half. If one person has 30 and keeps them in a well protected safe, they are most likely not going to be an issue. If person B owns one and leaves it out on the kitchen table all of the time, then it could very well become an issue. An argument could be made that if there were fewer in circulation, then maybe they would cost too much for certain people, but I can see holes in that as well...Do I believe that focusing on the number in circulation is the best strategy? No, I do not. My reasoning behind that is when it comes to “how”? How are the number in circulation going to get cut down? If you cannot prevent an earthquake, what measures can you take to minimize the loss of life?

Guns are a man made phenomenon and can absolutely be limited in production and distribution. To liken them to earthquakes is to buy in to the “nothing can be done” argument. Guns are not a force of nature.

Halifax2TheMax · May 2018

"Responsible," until they're not.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-safe-gun-storage-20180221-story.html

The Hopkins researchers surveyed 1,444 gun owners in the United States about their storage practices and found that 54 percent didn’t put them in a safe place when not in use. The researchers defined safe storage as being in a locked gun safe, cabinet or case; locked into a gun rack, or stored with a trigger lock or other lock.

If that holds true to the current US population that owns guns, that's approximately 48 million "responsible" gun owners. But its not a propblem.

What number is "most?"

HughFreakingDillon · May 2018

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

I’m not sure it is a “number in circulation” kind of problem. A person that wants one would get one if the number in circulation were cut in half. If one person has 30 and keeps them in a well protected safe, they are most likely not going to be an issue. If person B owns one and leaves it out on the kitchen table all of the time, then it could very well become an issue. An argument could be made that if there were fewer in circulation, then maybe they would cost too much for certain people, but I can see holes in that as well...Do I believe that focusing on the number in circulation is the best strategy? No, I do not. My reasoning behind that is when it comes to “how”? How are the number in circulation going to get cut down? If you cannot prevent an earthquake, what measures can you take to minimize the loss of life?

by making them so hard to get that eventually the ones that people own break down and they can't afford to replace them. a long haul, yes, but still a haul.

bbiggs · May 2018

Halifax2TheMax said:

"Responsible," until they're not.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/bs-hs-safe-gun-storage-20180221-story.html

The Hopkins researchers surveyed 1,444 gun owners in the United States about their storage practices and found that 54 percent didn’t put them in a safe place when not in use. The researchers defined safe storage as being in a locked gun safe, cabinet or case; locked into a gun rack, or stored with a trigger lock or other lock.

If that holds true to the current US population that owns guns, that's approximately 48 million "responsible" gun owners. But its not a propblem.

What number is "most?"

54% of gun owners are idiots. At minimum.

PJPOWER · May 2018

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

josevolution said:

PJPOWER said:

my2hands said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

OnWis97 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dankind said:

My heart will never heal from this.

https://twitter.com/leahmcelrath/status/997506332939956229

There aren't many things that can move me to tears out of sheer disappointment... but the first time I saw that clip, it was one of those moments. Our children are growing up expecting to get shot in school.
I don't know how anyone can watch that and not admit we have a problem in this country. And with the advent of the modern internet, the whole world is sitting there watching us do NOTHING to protect our kids, our citizens.

Here's more truth that's tough to digest: we are, Dyer... we are watching you do nothing to protect your kids. It's a gross case of negligence.

We've been watching you guys do nothing for many years now. It really speaks to the soul of America: all the flags at half mast and all the thoughts and prayers are hollow and meaningless.

We have collectively decided that guns are like cars. We value them to an extent that we accept that some people will be killed. In both cases, we've chosen inadequate levels of preventing lax behavior that leads to danger. In both cases, it's a culture that, while some have other ideas, the majority wouldn't give up under any circumstances and, therefore, accepts that some of us are going to parish. The biggest difference is that we are desensitized to automobile deaths. But we are getting there with gun-related deaths.

No, actually, things would be a whole lot better if the US decided that guns were like cars, because the rate of deaths from cars has gone down sharply over the decades, while the rate of gun-related deaths has increased. Why? Because a whole lot of attention is paid to making automobiles safer, given that a certain percentage of their drivers will be insufficiently trained or attentive. Engineers pour over methods to improve automobile safety, roads are redesigned to minimize crash risks, we require training and licensing, and there are stiff penalties if you misuse your automobile, including the risk of being suspended or completely barred from driving. The USA does virtually none of that for guns.

Where are you getting your data from? I realize this is a couple years old, but over the past few decades the gun death rate has actually decreased and pretty much plateaued.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/10/21/gun-homicides-steady-after-decline-in-90s-suicide-rate-edges-up/

Gun deaths are on the rise again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/us/gun-death-rates.html

But even the researcher there admitted that it could just be a “blip”. Far more concerning was the rate of drug overdoses in that same time period. It rose at almost 4 times the rate that of firearm deaths, wonder if there is any overlap/correlation there? As for gun deaths, any rise is concerning, but not always substantial when looking at even the past 50 years. Was the US the only country that showed a small increase over the past two years. It does not seem to correlate with the rate of gun ownership over the past 10 years.

why would opioid use have anything to do with guns?

It was pointed out in the article is the only reason I mentioned it. It could very well be a correlation, though, as drug abuse is a factor in many crimes that are committed.

I've lost quite a few friends over the years to overdose... so it's not an issue I take lightly...

BUT... when you overdose I dont die, and neither does anyone else but you.... when you shoot me, I die

Right, but I’m willing to bet that the rise in overdoses goes hand in hand with more people buying and selling the drugs, a market that does promote violence of various forms due to various reasons. How many gun deaths in Chicago would you contribute to the manufacturing and distribution of hard drugs?

Sory to keep asking you but just wanna know do you personally think there are too many guns in circulation that might have a bearing on the amount of deaths ?

I’m not sure it is a “number in circulation” kind of problem. A person that wants one would get one if the number in circulation were cut in half. If one person has 30 and keeps them in a well protected safe, they are most likely not going to be an issue. If person B owns one and leaves it out on the kitchen table all of the time, then it could very well become an issue. An argument could be made that if there were fewer in circulation, then maybe they would cost too much for certain people, but I can see holes in that as well...Do I believe that focusing on the number in circulation is the best strategy? No, I do not. My reasoning behind that is when it comes to “how”? How are the number in circulation going to get cut down? If you cannot prevent an earthquake, what measures can you take to minimize the loss of life?

Guns are a man made phenomenon and can absolutely be limited in production and distribution. To liken them to earthquakes is to buy in to the “nothing can be done” argument. Guns are not a force of nature.

You completely missed the point of that sentence, but thanks for playing. My concern is the rules that would have to go into place to limit production being a capitalist society and all.
But the earthquake analogy was more in reference to situations where crazy people get the guns (regardless of laws) and try to shoot up a school. There will most likely be more of those before any kind of real/effective “solutions” are implemented, so preparations for these scenarios are a key component to reducing mass casualties.

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