America's Gun Violence

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Lol

Sooo... ultimately... the US is deciding the answer to the gun problem is the proverbial 'more guns'. Gun industry rejoice... you got 'em right were you need them!

For the love of Gawd... seriously? Arming teachers with guns to fight the inevitable armed intruders? Anything but actually addressing the root of the problem, eh?

The second amendment arguments and the 'let's just deal with reality' arguments are weak. There is no legitimate debate regarding the need for gun reform in the US. The tail is wagging the dog.

Bentleyspop

mcgruff10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

What do you teach?
The vibe in my school Is that some think it is a good idea (maybe 40%?) and others hate it.  However I live in a state where you need a background check to buy a god damn BB gun so I doubt teachers will ever be allowed to carry. 

I don't teach.....I'm  scared of children
The educators I know are scattered all around the country  and have varying political beliefs.
But all are unanimously opposed to arming teachers.

Bentleyspop

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wndowpayne

Halifax2TheMax said:

wndowpayne said:

I don't think it should be put upon a teacher to carry a gun. They are responsible for enough already. I will say I'm glad I don't have underage kids anymore.You sadly enough almost need to treat a school like a prison. Build a wall around it and have a few armed guards..It's pathetic....An article in my local paper had a piece today...kid on a dare brought a loaded handgun to his 7th grade class..
TODAY....

So a 12 or 13 year old brings a gun to school. Where and how did he get it? “Responsible” gun owner strikes again.

I guess that's my point..How do you stop that from happening? Amazing the difference between now and 30 years ago..You saw an occasional fight or drug bust  but that was it..

Smellyman

Meanwhile kids outside of the USA go to school w/o school shootings. 

I just can't put my finger on why.

rgambs

dignin said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
IT WON'T.

Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 

Really? Nitpicky?

Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.

I haven't given up efforts, I've given up hope.
I'm an atheist, i don't believe in ghosts or UFO's, I'm not the type to buy into fairytales and the idea that any of our solutions will be put into effect within the next few years is a fairytale.
Meanwhile, our kids are standing exposed and helpless, and from my perspective it's you who is doing nothing to protect them.
We've reached desperate times and desperate measures are called for.

And from my perspective it is you and others here who are advocating for kids to be put into more danger.

Do nothing then, that's your choice to make.
The battle lines are drawn and I don't see any ground being given.

wndowpayne

Smellyman said:

Meanwhile kids outside of the USA go to school w/o school shootings. 

I just can't put my finger on why.

Better parenting, for one..

CM189191

unsung said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

unsung said:

That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?

Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?

You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?

There's all kinds of restrictions on the Amendments in place already.  

1st Amendment doesn't protect yelling fire in a public theater
there are age restrictions to vote
alcohol prohibition was repealed, but you have to be a certain age

the 2nd amendment isn't so special that we can't put restrictions on it.  You're slippery slope argument is invalid.

dignin

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
IT WON'T.

Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 

Really? Nitpicky?

Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.

I haven't given up efforts, I've given up hope.
I'm an atheist, i don't believe in ghosts or UFO's, I'm not the type to buy into fairytales and the idea that any of our solutions will be put into effect within the next few years is a fairytale.
Meanwhile, our kids are standing exposed and helpless, and from my perspective it's you who is doing nothing to protect them.
We've reached desperate times and desperate measures are called for.

And from my perspective it is you and others here who are advocating for kids to be put into more danger.

Do nothing then, that's your choice to make.
The battle lines are drawn and I don't see any ground being given.

Hey man, we agree on most things, but we were bound to find some separation somewhere.

You are right though, I can pretty much do nothing from where I'm at. I don't even have a vote. I can just do my best to make sure this clusterfuck doesn't spread North.

mrussel1

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 

Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 

I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 

I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 

rgambs

dignin said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
IT WON'T.

Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 

Really? Nitpicky?

Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.

I haven't given up efforts, I've given up hope.
I'm an atheist, i don't believe in ghosts or UFO's, I'm not the type to buy into fairytales and the idea that any of our solutions will be put into effect within the next few years is a fairytale.
Meanwhile, our kids are standing exposed and helpless, and from my perspective it's you who is doing nothing to protect them.
We've reached desperate times and desperate measures are called for.

And from my perspective it is you and others here who are advocating for kids to be put into more danger.

Do nothing then, that's your choice to make.
The battle lines are drawn and I don't see any ground being given.

Hey man, we agree on most things, but we were bound to find some separation somewhere.

You are right though, I can pretty much do nothing from where I'm at. I don't even have a vote. I can just do my best to make sure this clusterfuck doesn't spread North.

And my vote is already cast and I'm in a state of desperation on this.
I'm afraid to send my son to school in a few years, I'm afraid of the world he will grow up in.  
I still go and enjoy concerts, but not like before.  Any crowded place feels like a dangerous situation to me now.
I'm not letting it stop me, but fear for my son has changed things.

my2hands

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Lol

Sooo... ultimately... the US is deciding the answer to the gun problem is the proverbial 'more guns'. Gun industry rejoice... you got 'em right were you need them!

For the love of Gawd... seriously? Arming teachers with guns to fight the inevitable armed intruders? Anything but actually addressing the root of the problem, eh?

The second amendment arguments and the 'let's just deal with reality' arguments are weak. There is no legitimate debate regarding the need for gun reform in the US. The tail is wagging the dog.

It's disgusting... the gun lobby wins again... has distracted a nation full of gun addicts to actually consider arming teachers and made it the main debate somehow 

I hope this moron wins again in 2020, we deserve it 

Fuck my country

riley540

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 

Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 

I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 

I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 

That’s your opinion, but I am sticking to mine. Governments are responsible for more mass murder than anything in history. Some protection is better than none. 

dignin

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

dignin said:

rgambs said:

All this talk of what could go wrong seems a little nitpicky to me.
There's a person with an assault rifle gunning down everyone in sight, trying to kill as many people as possible...and y'all are shitting your pants over the idea that a teacher trying to stop them might miss the psychopathic menace and hit a student?  Some risks are worth taking.

I wouldn't even be entertaining these thoughts if I thought anything meaningful would happen in gun control efforts.  
IT WON'T.

Nothing is going to happen.  If you think it is, your head is in your ass. 

Really? Nitpicky?

Guess some of us are not willing to give up like you.

Don't mind me while I take in the view from up my ass.

I haven't given up efforts, I've given up hope.
I'm an atheist, i don't believe in ghosts or UFO's, I'm not the type to buy into fairytales and the idea that any of our solutions will be put into effect within the next few years is a fairytale.
Meanwhile, our kids are standing exposed and helpless, and from my perspective it's you who is doing nothing to protect them.
We've reached desperate times and desperate measures are called for.

And from my perspective it is you and others here who are advocating for kids to be put into more danger.

Do nothing then, that's your choice to make.
The battle lines are drawn and I don't see any ground being given.

Hey man, we agree on most things, but we were bound to find some separation somewhere.

You are right though, I can pretty much do nothing from where I'm at. I don't even have a vote. I can just do my best to make sure this clusterfuck doesn't spread North.

And my vote is already cast and I'm in a state of desperation on this.
I'm afraid to send my son to school in a few years, I'm afraid of the world he will grow up in.  
I still go and enjoy concerts, but not like before.  Any crowded place feels like a dangerous situation to me now.
I'm not letting it stop me, but fear for my son has changed things.

Yeah, I can understand that. I have a son who is 3 years and another who is almost 5 months. Thankfully I don't have to be very concerned with a kid carrying semi-automatics into their schools in the near future.

The Juggler

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 

Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 

I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 

I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 

That’s your opinion, but I am sticking to mine. Governments are responsible for more mass murder than anything in history. Some protection is better than none. 

The 2nd amendment is NOT BEING REPEALED. Tell your friends to be man up and stop living in fear.

rgambs

Simon is 3 and I was already lightly entertaining the notion of home schooling.
School can ruin the best parts of kids and squash good qualities that should remain for life, even without school shootings.
All the patients my wife has had who were home schooled are way ahead of their peers in every respect aside from maybe peer socialization.

riley540

The Juggler said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 

Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 

I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 

I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 

That’s your opinion, but I am sticking to mine. Governments are responsible for more mass murder than anything in history. Some protection is better than none. 

The 2nd amendment is NOT BEING REPEALED. Tell your friends to be man up and stop living in fear.

They don’t live in fear. The can protect themselves! 

my2hands

riley540 said:

The Juggler said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 

Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 

I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 

I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 

That’s your opinion, but I am sticking to mine. Governments are responsible for more mass murder than anything in history. Some protection is better than none. 

The 2nd amendment is NOT BEING REPEALED. Tell your friends to be man up and stop living in fear.

They don’t live in fear. The can protect themselves! 

From an F-16 or barrage of missiles raining down from an aircraft carrier off the coast? Need to soften you up before the armored division rolls through for mop up duty

Fucking laughable, it's paranoid horse shit

mrussel1

riley540 said:

The Juggler said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

mrussel1 said:

riley540 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.

Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 

Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 

I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 

I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 

That’s your opinion, but I am sticking to mine. Governments are responsible for more mass murder than anything in history. Some protection is better than none. 

The 2nd amendment is NOT BEING REPEALED. Tell your friends to be man up and stop living in fear.

They don’t live in fear. The can protect themselves! 

I can protect myself too.  I have a cabinet full of weapons.  But none of them are assault.  If the government comes for me, or whatever crazy scenario sticks in people's head, a team of full armed soldiers will take me out whether I have an assault rifle or not.  Maybe I take one with me, maybe not.  But the story ends the same.

Your fantasy scenario of what possibly could happen doesn't morally outweigh what is ACTUALLY happening in America today.  

mcgruff10

Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools?