America's Gun Violence

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJPOWER said:

    d)  Any written regulations adopted for purposes of Subsection (c) must provide that a school marshal may carry a concealed handgun as described by Subsection (c), except that if the primary duty of the school marshal involves regular, direct contact with students, the marshal may not carry a concealed handgun but may possess a handgun on the physical premises of a school in a locked and secured safe within the marshal's immediate reach when conducting the marshal's primary duty. The written regulations must also require that a handgun carried by or within access of a school marshal may be loaded only with frangible ammunition designed to disintegrate on impact for maximum safety and minimal danger to others.

    What’s your point?  That you think they should keep them in a readily accessible vault?  I think the point was that the carrying teachers must go through specific trainings to be able to do so...?
    I'll bite. Law Enforcement train monthly or more and go through a much more rigorous process, but still make mistakes so why does an initial 2 week academy seem like some great solution with a refresher every 2 years? I'm also curious about the mental health evaluation and what that entails compared to a psychological exam.
    couldn't the metal health evaluation and psychological exam be the same exact one as cops go through?
    as a teacher I have to do 20 hours of continuing ed  every year, maybe they could do the same with firearm training/certs.
    So now efficacy at teaching isn't even enough.  They have to be first responder tactical units.  
    I teach and I don’t think it is a big deal.  I m efficient in teaching and also have to be knowledable in cpr, crisis management response planning (lock down drills, evacuations etc) And epi pen provider to numerous students. Teachers were many hats already. And has pjpower said, it is voluntary. 
    No offense, two weeks of training per year doesn't make you qualified to take down an active shooter with an assault weapon.  As a father of three, I'd rather all these fucking weapons get off the street.  And I say this as an owner of 7 different weapons that I've had for years, none of them assault style rifles. A 30 30 Marlin deer slayer is as close as I get.  That's plenty for hunting and home defense, not street sweeping.  
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
    Don't make the tax payer support your habit or obsession.  Pay it yourself.  
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited February 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    PJPOWER said:

    d)  Any written regulations adopted for purposes of Subsection (c) must provide that a school marshal may carry a concealed handgun as described by Subsection (c), except that if the primary duty of the school marshal involves regular, direct contact with students, the marshal may not carry a concealed handgun but may possess a handgun on the physical premises of a school in a locked and secured safe within the marshal's immediate reach when conducting the marshal's primary duty. The written regulations must also require that a handgun carried by or within access of a school marshal may be loaded only with frangible ammunition designed to disintegrate on impact for maximum safety and minimal danger to others.

    What’s your point?  That you think they should keep them in a readily accessible vault?  I think the point was that the carrying teachers must go through specific trainings to be able to do so...?
    I'll bite. Law Enforcement train monthly or more and go through a much more rigorous process, but still make mistakes so why does an initial 2 week academy seem like some great solution with a refresher every 2 years? I'm also curious about the mental health evaluation and what that entails compared to a psychological exam.
    couldn't the metal health evaluation and psychological exam be the same exact one as cops go through?
    as a teacher I have to do 20 hours of continuing ed  every year, maybe they could do the same with firearm training/certs.
    So now efficacy at teaching isn't even enough.  They have to be first responder tactical units.  
    I teach and I don’t think it is a big deal.  I m efficient in teaching and also have to be knowledable in cpr, crisis management response planning (lock down drills, evacuations etc) And epi pen provider to numerous students. Teachers were many hats already. And has pjpower said, it is voluntary. 
    No offense, two weeks of training per year doesn't make you qualified to take down an active shooter with an assault weapon.  As a father of three, I'd rather all these fucking weapons get off the street.  And I say this as an owner of 7 different weapons that I've had for years, none of them assault style rifles. A 30 30 Marlin deer slayer is as close as I get.  That's plenty for hunting and home defense, not street sweeping.  
    But four days of CNN coaching can make teens, who can't even own firearms, experts on them.

    Maybe CNN can teach the class.

    Just out of curiosity,  I do not have TV, are they showing equal amounts of time from those that are pro-2A?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
    Don't make the tax payer support your habit or obsession.  Pay it yourself.  
    Sounds like you are more interested with burdening people than putting your money where your mouth is...
  • PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
    Nope.
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  • unsung
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    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
    Don't make the tax payer support your habit or obsession.  Pay it yourself.  
    Don't make the taxpayer fund Planned Parenthood or public schools if they don't have kids then.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,649
    edited February 2018
    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
    Nope.
    Me either...
  • mrussel1
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    unsung said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    unsung said:
    You actually don't have a problem with guns, you just have a problem with who has them.
    Would you submit to a psychological exam to purchase and own a firearm? Renewable on an annual basis?
    I would, would you be willing to pay for it?
    Don't make the tax payer support your habit or obsession.  Pay it yourself.  
    Don't make the taxpayer fund Planned Parenthood or public schools if they don't have kids then.
    No problem.  Or just ban the AR-15 and similar offensive weapons.  I don't even care about pscyh tests.  
    1. Ban the assault
    2. Universal background 
    3. 3 day waiting period
    4. Close the gun show loophole.  

    Get that done, I'll even join the NRA.  
  • unsung
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    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
    You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    Question, 

    people who who are opposed to teachers arming themselves. Why does it bother you? If your child has a teacher that you trust, what difference would it make it they had a concealed weapon? I bet you and your children walk by people all the time with concealed guns and you’d never know it. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
    You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?
    POLL TAX!  Nice try with your civil rights trap.

    Anyway, the psych test is nothing but red herring from the NRA.  It's bullshit.  All it will do is prevent people from getting any mental illnesses from being treated.  It will have the opposite of the desired effect.  
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
    You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?
    Can you directly kill 20 - 60 other people with your vote?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,649
    edited February 2018
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
    You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?
    What was the question again? Speaking of which, there's a whole slew of questions you haven't answered yet.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    tbergs said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    That is a slippery slope.  What other Rights would it apply to in order to exercise?
    Its good enough for armed marshals in Texas public schools, why not the average person wanting to purchase and possess a firearm?
    You didn't answer my question.  Would we need to submit to an exam in order to vote too?
    Can you directly kill 20 - 60 other people with your vote?
    No, indirectly... far more.  
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    I'm a teacher, and I don't want one, nor should I have one. Want to arm me? Start paying me six figures, give me a bullet-proof vest, and put bullet-proof glass in my classroom windows.



    Guys, I’m a college professor.

    I’ve also been shooting guns my entire life and own multiple guns now.

    I don’t trust myself to be able to capably defend a classroom against a shooter, and I’m a good shot.

    Why would we expect teachers everywhere to bear this responsibility?


    And your solution is to arm teachers??? Are you fucking insane?? I'm a teacher, I teach children. I've been in the army, I've made the choice to no longer be a soldier, but a teacher!

    Hi, I'm a teacher. I don't want a gun. I could use some more dry erase markers. Thanks for your time.


    I'm a teacher with 14 years of experience. I have zero interest in being armed. #StudentsStandUp


    I’m a teacher. Don’t give me a gun. Give me the supplies I need, the salary I deserve, and the common-sense gun laws to protect my kids.


    I'm a teacher. I own guns. I'm adept at shooting them. This is the dumbest idea in the damn world. No teacher should have this responsibility and frankly I can't think of one I'd wholly trust with it.


    I'm a teacher who qualified in the military on the rifle, handgun, light machine gun, heavy machine gun, grenade launcher, automatic grenade launcher, bayonet and hand grenades.

    And there is zero chance you'll convince me a school will be safer if teachers start carrying guns.


    I have said this a hundred times on here already. Why does no one ever ask teachers what they think? I'm a teacher. Teachers do not want to carry guns, we have enough to do.


    I’m a teacher and I don’t want a fucking gun in my classroom! I’m trained in literature not shooting people! This is ridiculous.


    I’m a teacher. The last time I held a gun was when I played Duck Hunt, and I sucked at that. My job is to connect with kids and teach them a language. No shooting required.



  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    I'm a teacher and a gun owner with a concealed & carry permit, and I'd never want to bring a gun to my classroom. My kids need to feel safe & I should be thinking about content and not worrying about someone grabbing my pistol. Arming teachers is a gun manufacturer's solution.


    I’m a teacher. I don’t want to carry a gun. I want the people responsible for my safety, and my students’ safety, to do their jobs and make our workspace safe.


    #NotStickingToSportsTwitter. Hi, I’m a teacher. I don’t want to have a gun/have a gun in school. 
    Thanks in advance, 
    Mr. Nathan


    This "Listening Session" reveals itself to be what it truly is: NRA propaganda for guns, guns, and more guns. 

    I'm a teacher and if they put guns in my school I'm out. Every other teacher I know is out. Parents will pull kids out. It's FUCKING INSANE. #GunControlNow #NeverAgain


    So you add even more responsibility to teachers who you already refuse to pay? I’m a teacher DAMN YOU


    I’m not a police officer, I’m a teacher I’m at school to teach your children, not to shoot, not to kill. Giving away more guns will not solve anything. #ParklandStudentsSpeak

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