America's Gun Violence

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    riley540 said:
    The Juggler said:
    riley540 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    riley540 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    riley540 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Every single educator I know, and there are lots from pre-school up through  college professors, think arming teachers is stupid.
    Many of us think banning guns is stupid. 
    Banning all guns could never happen.  Most are talking about assault weapons . Do you think that's stupid and please explain why,  if yes. 
    I don’t think banning the AR15 would change anything. There are many similar guns. Also, a valid argument from friends is that they want to own a gun similar to what the government has possession of. Many people don’t like that argument, but many people don’t want to end up like Rome, Cuba, China, German/Poland, ect. I think it’s a valid argument personally, but purely my opinion. 
    I didn't say AR. I said all assault style weapons. 

    The "fight the government" argument is outrageously silly.  If you want to fight them,  you'll need far more more than that.  Might as well legalize SAMs, bunker busters,  fully automatics , etc. I'm hardly sympathetic to the militia man. 
    That’s your opinion, but I am sticking to mine. Governments are responsible for more mass murder than anything in history. Some protection is better than none. 
    The 2nd amendment is NOT BEING REPEALED. Tell your friends to be man up and stop living in fear.
    They don’t live in fear. The can protect themselves! 


    Depends on how you look at it. I think they're afraid of something. That's why they're stockpiling weapons. Were they freaking out about y2k too? Do they have their basements stockpiled with canned food in anticipation of Armageddon or something?

    They're scared. That's why they think they need to arm themselves with mass killing machines. They need to have their head's examined.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Armed guards makes infinitely more sense than arming teachers. They have more enough on their plates.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
    Who s talking about assault weapons?  The cop in my school carries a .40 caliber glock. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    The Juggler said:
    Armed guards makes infinitely more sense than arming teachers. They have more enough on their plates.
    agreed, definitely a better idea.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    I don’t think there is anything wrong with people looking at history, saying “that was aweful. I don’t want that to happen”. So they take necessary caution just Incase. These guns are stowed, hidden, just Incase something happens. 

    Also, what’s wrong with storing canned foods Incase of natural disaster? I always buy extra canned foods when on sale to store in the pantry. 

    I promise that rhe responsible fire fire arm owners that I know will not murder your kids at school. 
  • timdwilli
    timdwilli Posts: 297
    Did anyone else watch the Town Hall last night and catch when the NRA representative tried to argue that the fact the 2nd Amendment was written over 225 years ago had no bearing because Puckle guns existed back then? Fucking hilarious. What a delusional organization.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    timdwilli said:
    Did anyone else watch the Town Hall last night and catch when the NRA representative tried to argue that the fact the 2nd Amendment was written over 225 years ago had no bearing because Puckle guns existed back then? Fucking hilarious. What a delusional organization.
    what is a puckle gun?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • timdwilli
    timdwilli Posts: 297
    mcgruff10 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Did anyone else watch the Town Hall last night and catch when the NRA representative tried to argue that the fact the 2nd Amendment was written over 225 years ago had no bearing because Puckle guns existed back then? Fucking hilarious. What a delusional organization.
    what is a puckle gun?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

    She basically insinuated that because this existed, of course they could foresee the weaponry of today

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    timdwilli said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Did anyone else watch the Town Hall last night and catch when the NRA representative tried to argue that the fact the 2nd Amendment was written over 225 years ago had no bearing because Puckle guns existed back then? Fucking hilarious. What a delusional organization.
    what is a puckle gun?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

    She basically insinuated that because this existed, of course they could foresee the weaponry of today

    lol, now that is a stretch!  never heard of such a gun; you definitely learn something new every day.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
    Who s talking about assault weapons?  The cop in my school carries a .40 caliber glock. 
    That's not what I'm saying.  Armed guards in school already exists today in many schools.  For my son, it's local police that is assigned to the school.  Regardless of that situation, I believe fervently in an assault rifle ban, just like we had in the 90's. 
  • timdwilli
    timdwilli Posts: 297
    mcgruff10 said:
    timdwilli said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Did anyone else watch the Town Hall last night and catch when the NRA representative tried to argue that the fact the 2nd Amendment was written over 225 years ago had no bearing because Puckle guns existed back then? Fucking hilarious. What a delusional organization.
    what is a puckle gun?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

    She basically insinuated that because this existed, of course they could foresee the weaponry of today

    lol, now that is a stretch!  never heard of such a gun; you definitely learn something new every day.
    haha I was certain it was an absurd argument, but I had no idea what it was and had to google it myself
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    riley540 said:
    I don’t think there is anything wrong with people looking at history, saying “that was aweful. I don’t want that to happen”. So they take necessary caution just Incase. These guns are stowed, hidden, just Incase something happens. 

    Also, what’s wrong with storing canned foods Incase of natural disaster? I always buy extra canned foods when on sale to store in the pantry. 

    I promise that rhe responsible fire fire arm owners that I know will not murder your kids at school. 
    How about people looking at recent history and saying “that was awful. We don’t want that to happen again”? Recent as in last week? A repeat of that is far more likely than the scenario your friends fear. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    edited February 2018
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
    Who s talking about assault weapons?  The cop in my school carries a .40 caliber glock. 
    That's not what I'm saying.  Armed guards in school already exists today in many schools.  For my son, it's local police that is assigned to the school.  Regardless of that situation, I believe fervently in an assault rifle ban, just like we had in the 90's. 
    I got ya and respect your opinion.  what state are you from?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
    Who s talking about assault weapons?  The cop in my school carries a .40 caliber glock. 
    That's not what I'm saying.  Armed guards in school already exists today in many schools.  For my son, it's local police that is assigned to the school.  Regardless of that situation, I believe fervently in an assault rifle ban, just like we had in the 90's. 
    I got ya and respect your opinion.  what state are you from?
    Virginia.. a very moderate state.  It fits my personality perfectly.  
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    oftenreading said:
    riley540 said:
    I don’t think there is anything wrong with people looking at history, saying “that was aweful. I don’t want that to happen”. So they take necessary caution just Incase. These guns are stowed, hidden, just Incase something happens. 

    Also, what’s wrong with storing canned foods Incase of natural disaster? I always buy extra canned foods when on sale to store in the pantry. 

    I promise that rhe responsible fire fire arm owners that I know will not murder your kids at school. 
    How about people looking at recent history and saying “that was awful. We don’t want that to happen again”? Recent as in last week? A repeat of that is far more likely than the scenario your friends fear. 
    When the zombie apocalypse hits you will wish you were on the Bellingham militia compound.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
    Who s talking about assault weapons?  The cop in my school carries a .40 caliber glock. 
    That's not what I'm saying.  Armed guards in school already exists today in many schools.  For my son, it's local police that is assigned to the school.  Regardless of that situation, I believe fervently in an assault rifle ban, just like we had in the 90's. 
    I got ya and respect your opinion.  what state are you from?
    Virginia.. a very moderate state.  It fits my personality perfectly.  
    definitely more moderate than ever before!  Would I be correct in saying the further away from d.c., the redder it gets (with richmond being the exception)?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Is anyone opposed to armed guards or police patrolling our schools? 
    Most schools already have one.  My son's HS has one.  The school in FL had one.  I'm very much for them, but it's not a tradeoff for assault weapons in my book.
    Who s talking about assault weapons?  The cop in my school carries a .40 caliber glock. 
    That's not what I'm saying.  Armed guards in school already exists today in many schools.  For my son, it's local police that is assigned to the school.  Regardless of that situation, I believe fervently in an assault rifle ban, just like we had in the 90's. 
    I got ya and respect your opinion.  what state are you from?
    Virginia.. a very moderate state.  It fits my personality perfectly.  
    definitely more moderate than ever before!  Would I be correct in saying the further away from d.c., the redder it gets (with richmond being the exception)?
    No, it's like anything else.  Urban areas are blue, rural are red.  Even Hampton Roads and the Tidewater went for Northam.  Charlottesville is very blue.  I'm in one of the main counties outside of Richmond.  We are purple, trending blue.  Went 5 points for Clinton but a wipeout for Northam due to the huge turnout.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Police officer hired to protect took a defensive position and did nothing.  Yet we want sparsely trained teachers to take on an AR-15 or similar weapon.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

    As I opened the CT scan last week to read the next case, I was baffled. The history simply read “gunshot wound.” I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the nation for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. I thought that I knew all that I needed to know about gunshot wounds, but the specific pattern of injury on my computer screen was one that I had seen only once before.

    In a typical handgun injury that I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ like the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, grey bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.

    I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

    The deadliest bullet in the world is a .22 bullet.  When you see it up close it doesn't look like much but it's a killer.  Most people don't know or don't really care. 

    Add .003 to that bullet and you have the .223 bullet.  The same bullet that is used in an AR-15.  Now everyone seems to care.


    I don’t think that is accurate.
    And you can’t compare a .22 to .223, the .223 has far more power behind it, which makes it deadly.
    while .22 can easily be deadly, they don’t compare to many other calibers.
    id take my chances against a .22 over a .357 any day.
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