America's Gun Violence

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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,156
    More thoughts and prayers....
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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 13,340
    We have a fucking gun problem. I like guns myself, but anyone that denies we have a problem is fucking blind.
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,832
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,541
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,324
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.

    Of course some people have denied there's a gun problem, unless you define "gun problem" as too few guns. 
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,832
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,541
    edited July 2018
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.
    Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,306
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.

    Pro-gun side has not, and is not, compromising at all. 

    Are bump stocks even banned yet? And in states where they did get banned, none of the "pro-gun" side turned their shit in. 

    We had some common sense legislation pass in the 90's that a Democratic POTUS signed into law... and I remember a certain Republican POTUS allowing it to expire in 2004 or 05.... all it needed was his signature to remain law of the land.... 

    This is not an issue both sides are to blame for, that's total horse shit 

    Dont come lecturing me about compromise, talk to your people about that shit, bro
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,832
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.

    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.
    Why does it matter? It matters because, as far as I can tell, you are questioning the NRA. They're not here to answer for themselves so are you expecting some random Pearl Jam fan to speak on their behalf?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,541
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.

    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.
    Why does it matter? It matters because, as far as I can tell, you are questioning the NRA. They're not here to answer for themselves so are you expecting some random Pearl Jam fan to speak on their behalf?
    Sure, take a crack at it.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,832
    my2hands said:
    dudeman said: 
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.

    Pro-gun side has not, and is not, compromising at all. 

    Are bump stocks even banned yet? And in states where they did get banned, none of the "pro-gun" side turned their shit in. 

    We had some common sense legislation pass in the 90's that a Democratic POTUS signed into law... and I remember a certain Republican POTUS allowing it to expire in 2004 or 05.... all it needed was his signature to remain law of the land.... 

    This is not an issue both sides are to blame for, that's total horse shit 

    Dont come lecturing me about compromise, talk to your people about that shit, bro
    Most of the pro-gun people here on AMT are willing to compromise, myself included. Universal background checks, mandatory training requirements, safe storage requirements etc could all go a long way to help.

    Banning bump stocks? Sure, why not. 

    As far as the AWB of '94, there was no significant difference in violent crime attributed to the ban.

    Also, I didn't realize that I was lecturing you about anything. I was under the impression that "my people" are the same as your people. If you mean to infer that I am a Republican, I most certainly am not.

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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,832
    edited July 2018
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.

    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.
    Why does it matter? It matters because, as far as I can tell, you are questioning the NRA. They're not here to answer for themselves so are you expecting some random Pearl Jam fan to speak on their behalf?
    Sure, take a crack at it.
    I speak for one person: myself. I have no idea why the NRA, or anyone else, does or says what they do.

    If you want answers from them, give them a call.
    Post edited by dudeman on
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,541
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.

    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.
    Why does it matter? It matters because, as far as I can tell, you are questioning the NRA. They're not here to answer for themselves so are you expecting some random Pearl Jam fan to speak on their behalf?
    Sure, take a crack at it.
    I speak for one person: myself. I have no idea why the NRA, or anyone else, does or says what they do.

    If you want answers from them, give them a call.
    I suppose if you want answers in the Tesm Trump Treason thread, your last name should be Trump or you need to call the White House? Just what we need, another thread cop.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 1,832
    OK then. 
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,375
    CM189191 said:
    Bush’s former doctor shot and killed while riding bike in Houston

    The suspect was on a bicycle as well. Rode past the doctor, turned and fired two shots. The doctor immediately went down.

    Authorities late Friday continued searching for the suspect, who was wearing a gray warmup jacket, khaki shorts and a tan baseball cap.

    https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/811201002
    This sounds like someone inspired by the serial killer in the series Bosch.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,375
    Walk in to your local church, shoot someone and then walk back home.
    http://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/lds-church-shooting-in-fallon-nevada-suspect-in-custody
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,245
    2 Dead, 13 Others Injured In Toronto Shooting - HuffPost https://apple.news/An34pKgPFTfuSlq5VPrCLHA
    Not USA but North America !
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,375
    2 Dead, 13 Others Injured In Toronto Shooting - HuffPost https://apple.news/An34pKgPFTfuSlq5VPrCLHA
    Not USA but North America !
    Waiting for some to mock Canada's gun laws now and use this as an example that less guns and more restrictive laws aren't helping.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,245
    tbergs said:
    2 Dead, 13 Others Injured In Toronto Shooting - HuffPost https://apple.news/An34pKgPFTfuSlq5VPrCLHA
    Not USA but North America !
    Waiting for some to mock Canada's gun laws now and use this as an example that less guns and more restrictive laws aren't helping.
    Yep they’ll be here soon enough, thoughts & prayers for the victims just not cutting it anymore unless you apply it to the future victims of massacres still to happen ...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 6,800

    Tory believes Sunday night's shooting, in a popular, busy residential area known for its restaurants and cafés, is "evidence of a gun problem" in Toronto.

    "Guns are too readily available to too many people," Tory told reporters during a news conference two hours after the shooting.


    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/danforth-logan-shooting-1.4757409


    Canadian reaction to gun violence. 

  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,263
    Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
    I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.
    He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
    You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,278
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.

    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    Has anyone denied that there's a gun problem here?

    It seems like we all agree that too many people are killed with guns annually. Where we seem to differ is the aproach to a reasonable solution.

    Compromise on the part of both pro and anti-gun individuals has to happen, along with a dialogue that doesn't devolve into petty bitching, whining and name calling.
    Has the NRA made a statement about the indicted and held until trial Russian? Maybe something along the lines of how they’re cooperating with the investigation? Maybe releasing their list of donors? Seems to me a big part of the problem is an organization that actively lobbies against the wishes of what a majority of gun owners want. Nothing like being a tool of putin on the ritz.
    Is the NRA participating in this thread?
    I’m sure there are a few card carrying members who are. Why does it matter? But like some who won’t answer whether they conceal carry outside the US of A, they might not admit to it. Like religion, too personal, apparently.
    Why does it matter? It matters because, as far as I can tell, you are questioning the NRA. They're not here to answer for themselves so are you expecting some random Pearl Jam fan to speak on their behalf?
    I know there is at least one NRA member on this forum, and probably more, so to me that means they are indeed here to answer for themselves, if they so choose.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 18,541
    mace1229 said:
    Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
    I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.
    He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
    You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.

    What was the initial confrontation regarding? Tough guy with a gun feels its his place to enforce parking regulations. Victim takes offense to the tough guy with  a gun harrassing his wife or girlfriend. Tough guy with gun gets pushed down. Tough guy with gun shoots the guy defending his wife or girlfriend. Tough guy with gun is not parking enforcement and should shut the fuck up. Welcome to 'Murica where anyone with a gun can be a tough guy and selectively enforce rules and regulations, even encourage a confrontation so they can "legally" shoot someone. Just explain it away.

    He killed someone in a parking space dispute. But police say he just stood his ground. - Vox https://apple.news/A08tYk4JTSy2iZMvdqVoWFg

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    These guys are going to fight off a "tyrannical" USA government?

    Lol
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,375
    mace1229 said:
    Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
    I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.
    He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
    You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.

    Only in this fucked up country can we justify the shooting of someone because the other person shoved you to the ground. Was it stupid behavior, yes, but what kind of coward walks around with a gun and decides they need to shoot someone because they were pushed to the ground? I am not going to defend the poor decision of the person who was shot here or the stupid statement by his wife about her right to park anywhere she wants, but none of that justifies being shot.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 13,340
    mace1229 said:
    Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
    I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.
    He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
    You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.

    "Self defense".... He got shoved to the fucking ground. Get back up and shove back. Your fucking life isn't threatened.

    This justification is fucking asinine.
  • mace1229 said:
    Over a fucking parking spot. So very “responsible.”

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law Protects Shooter In Fatal Fight Over Handicapped Parking Space - Newsweek https://apple.news/A227Pw3EBSIOd7tsr6rT5Fw
    I hate how this story is being reported. It wasn’t over a Park my spot, that’s just false.
    He was shot because he assaulted the guy and pushed him to the ground.
    You can argue that wasn’t enough to fear grave injury. And maybe I wouldn’t have feared for my life, but when a guy that big shoved me to the ground and continues to approach me and definitely be frightened. So I can’t rule out self defense as not a justifiable reaction. Definitely wasn’t shot over a parking space, the parking space is why the guy assaulted him, he shot back in defense.


    No way, man.

    There were several things the guy could have done including what I think would be extreme: pulling your weapon out and warning the guy to back off. 

    This murder is the result of a chicken shit worm feeling tougher than he actually was because he had a gun. He stuck his nose into other people's business and got 'tuff' because he knew he had a gun and was prepared to use it.

    As far as I'm concerned he picked the fight and he baited the guy... got shoved to the ground because he was a chicken shit worm... and then had his reason to fire a lethal hole into the guy and end his life. He was likely looking forward to the moment.

    And Florida is as backwards as everybody jokes if they actually see this as a legitimate reason to kill a man.

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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 3,263
    I only saw the clip for the first time this morning. I think he was an older guy. He shouldn’t be expected to stand up and shove back.
    Im glad he said something about the parking space. There were plenty of non handicapped spaces and she should have been called out, he shouldn’t have to mind his own business. Now how he confronted her I don’t know, but I haven’t read anything that suggests it was threatening. 
    I’m not saying he should have shot him. Just that I could believe him that he was in fear for his life. And really that’s all that matters in this case. An older man like he was would have just gotten beaten for getting up. He did not just push him down and walk away, the video clearly shows him continuing to approach while he was on the ground. I’m not convinced the guy wasn’t planning on beating him some more on the ground.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 5,375
    47 years old.  It's not like he was a geriatric patient.
    Well, he did have that 3rd "arm" holstered on his side, so a bit of a genetic mutant.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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