America's Gun Violence

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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,919
    edited February 2018
    RYME said:
    Mace, I think you said somewhere that your dad is a police officer right?  If so i'd like to thank your dad as well.
    Yes, my dad and brother in LA county. Thank you.
    I don;t think anyone who is a cop in a big city like that can work for more than a few years and not know someone personally or who they've worked with who was killed in the line of duty. My dad who worked for 33 years could probably name easily more than 5 he personally knew without having to think too hard, and probably a lot more from just ones he knows of but didn't know. I'd like to see CM name 5 co-workers who did on the job.
    Usually the only ones you hear about, other than local news, are shot. Shootings make up about 1/3 of cops killed on duty. Accidents, that include cops being rammed by a car are about equal to shootings.
    http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/

    That number doesn't report the number who are permanently disabled either, just killed. Which is probably a lot higher.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    RYME said:
    Mace, I think you said somewhere that your dad is a police officer right?  If so i'd like to thank your dad as well.
    Yes, my dad and brother in LA county. Thank you.
    I don;t think anyone who is a cop in a big city like that can work for more than a few years and not know someone personally or who they've worked with who was killed in the line of duty. My dad who worked for 33 years could probably name easily more than 5 he personally knew without having to think too hard, and probably a lot more from just ones he knows of but didn't know. I'd like to see CM name 5 co-workers who did on the job.
    Usually the only ones you hear about, other than local news, are shot. Shootings make up about 1/3 of cops killed on duty. Accidents, that include cops being rammed by a car are about equal to shootings.
    http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/

    That number doesn't report the number who are permanently disabled either, just killed. Which is probably a lot higher.

    Depends what line of work CM is in.  CM didn't claim to personally know coworkers that had died, just that police work wasn't in the top ten for fatalities, which indeed it isn't. In the US, it's 14th.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Coming from an area with a resource-based economy, I have personally known or known of loggers and fishers who have died. Any logger or fisher could tell you of coworkers they have lost. It's also worth noting that deaths of police officers get a lot of press; much more so that deaths in other fields, so perhaps people underestimate how dangerous other jobs can be. 
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,919
    edited February 2018
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    RYME said:
    Mace, I think you said somewhere that your dad is a police officer right?  If so i'd like to thank your dad as well.
    Yes, my dad and brother in LA county. Thank you.
    I don;t think anyone who is a cop in a big city like that can work for more than a few years and not know someone personally or who they've worked with who was killed in the line of duty. My dad who worked for 33 years could probably name easily more than 5 he personally knew without having to think too hard, and probably a lot more from just ones he knows of but didn't know. I'd like to see CM name 5 co-workers who did on the job.
    Usually the only ones you hear about, other than local news, are shot. Shootings make up about 1/3 of cops killed on duty. Accidents, that include cops being rammed by a car are about equal to shootings.
    http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/

    That number doesn't report the number who are permanently disabled either, just killed. Which is probably a lot higher.

    Depends what line of work CM is in.  CM didn't claim to personally know coworkers that had died, just that police work wasn't in the top ten for fatalities, which indeed it isn't. In the US, it's 14th.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Coming from an area with a resource-based economy, I have personally known or known of loggers and fishers who have died. Any logger or fisher could tell you of coworkers they have lost. It's also worth noting that deaths of police officers get a lot of press; much more so that deaths in other fields, so perhaps people underestimate how dangerous other jobs can be. 
    Absolutely it isn't the most dangerous job But to minimize that risk because "they signed up for it" is just ridiculous, and to say they don;t deserve to be recognized for it is just stupid. It wasn't that I thought cops have the most dangerous job in the world, it was the dismissiveness (is that a word?) of the risk they take every day, even making them out to be the bad guy and even saying if you don't want the risk then don't be a cop and that we shouldn't recognize them for being brave. It was ridiculous. 
    Probably the reason police get more press is because most of the ones you hear about are murdered because of their job, not accidents. I'm sure if some tree hugging cult went out and murdered a bunch of loggers that would make headline news too.
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  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    RYME said:
    Mace, I think you said somewhere that your dad is a police officer right?  If so i'd like to thank your dad as well.
    Yes, my dad and brother in LA county. Thank you.
    I don;t think anyone who is a cop in a big city like that can work for more than a few years and not know someone personally or who they've worked with who was killed in the line of duty. My dad who worked for 33 years could probably name easily more than 5 he personally knew without having to think too hard, and probably a lot more from just ones he knows of but didn't know. I'd like to see CM name 5 co-workers who did on the job.
    Usually the only ones you hear about, other than local news, are shot. Shootings make up about 1/3 of cops killed on duty. Accidents, that include cops being rammed by a car are about equal to shootings.
    http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/

    That number doesn't report the number who are permanently disabled either, just killed. Which is probably a lot higher.

    Depends what line of work CM is in.  CM didn't claim to personally know coworkers that had died, just that police work wasn't in the top ten for fatalities, which indeed it isn't. In the US, it's 14th.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Coming from an area with a resource-based economy, I have personally known or known of loggers and fishers who have died. Any logger or fisher could tell you of coworkers they have lost. It's also worth noting that deaths of police officers get a lot of press; much more so that deaths in other fields, so perhaps people underestimate how dangerous other jobs can be. 
    Absolutely it isn't the most dangerous job But to minimize that risk because "they signed up for it" is just ridiculous, and to say they don;t deserve to be recognized for it is just stupid. It wasn't that I thought cops have the most dangerous job in the world, it was the dismissiveness (is that a word?) of the risk they take every day, even making them out to be the bad guy and even saying if you don't want the risk then don't be a cop and that we shouldn't recognize them for being brave. It was ridiculous. 
    Probably the reason police get more press is because most of the ones you hear about are murdered because of their job, not accidents. I'm sure if some tree hugging cult went out and murdered a bunch of loggers that would make headline news too.
    Mace, I would like to thank your dad again, & your brother.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    RYME said:
    Mace, I think you said somewhere that your dad is a police officer right?  If so i'd like to thank your dad as well.
    Yes, my dad and brother in LA county. Thank you.
    I don;t think anyone who is a cop in a big city like that can work for more than a few years and not know someone personally or who they've worked with who was killed in the line of duty. My dad who worked for 33 years could probably name easily more than 5 he personally knew without having to think too hard, and probably a lot more from just ones he knows of but didn't know. I'd like to see CM name 5 co-workers who did on the job.
    Usually the only ones you hear about, other than local news, are shot. Shootings make up about 1/3 of cops killed on duty. Accidents, that include cops being rammed by a car are about equal to shootings.
    http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/

    That number doesn't report the number who are permanently disabled either, just killed. Which is probably a lot higher.

    Depends what line of work CM is in.  CM didn't claim to personally know coworkers that had died, just that police work wasn't in the top ten for fatalities, which indeed it isn't. In the US, it's 14th.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Coming from an area with a resource-based economy, I have personally known or known of loggers and fishers who have died. Any logger or fisher could tell you of coworkers they have lost. It's also worth noting that deaths of police officers get a lot of press; much more so that deaths in other fields, so perhaps people underestimate how dangerous other jobs can be. 

    Police getting killed on the job are hardly ever 'accidents' (outside of car crashes or the sort). Police getting killed on the job are murders.

    There's a difference between a logger or machinist getting killed on the job as a result of a workplace mishap and an officer getting shot to death by some shitbird.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    CM's point is exceptionally weak. So is the support for it.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,919
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    oftenreading said:
    mace1229 said:
    RYME said:
    Mace, I think you said somewhere that your dad is a police officer right?  If so i'd like to thank your dad as well.
    Yes, my dad and brother in LA county. Thank you.
    I don;t think anyone who is a cop in a big city like that can work for more than a few years and not know someone personally or who they've worked with who was killed in the line of duty. My dad who worked for 33 years could probably name easily more than 5 he personally knew without having to think too hard, and probably a lot more from just ones he knows of but didn't know. I'd like to see CM name 5 co-workers who did on the job.
    Usually the only ones you hear about, other than local news, are shot. Shootings make up about 1/3 of cops killed on duty. Accidents, that include cops being rammed by a car are about equal to shootings.
    http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html?referrer=https://us.search.yahoo.com/

    That number doesn't report the number who are permanently disabled either, just killed. Which is probably a lot higher.

    Depends what line of work CM is in.  CM didn't claim to personally know coworkers that had died, just that police work wasn't in the top ten for fatalities, which indeed it isn't. In the US, it's 14th.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Coming from an area with a resource-based economy, I have personally known or known of loggers and fishers who have died. Any logger or fisher could tell you of coworkers they have lost. It's also worth noting that deaths of police officers get a lot of press; much more so that deaths in other fields, so perhaps people underestimate how dangerous other jobs can be. 

    Police getting killed on the job are hardly ever 'accidents' (outside of car crashes or the sort). Police getting killed on the job are murders.

    There's a difference between a logger or machinist getting killed on the job as a result of a workplace mishap and an officer getting shot to death by some shitbird.
    Even many of the car crashes are not "accidents." If it is the result of a high speed chase or other illegal activity the law will still rule that as homicide. One reason why more departments are restricting when to allow a chase. Which means more bad guys know all they have to do is drive fast and they get away now.
  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    According to CM, Glen Doss Jr, here should have known what he was signing up for when he joined the Detroit Police Department, and Glen Doss Jr, should have expected to get shot in the face when responding to a domestic violence call.  He knew what he signed himself up for right?  No big deal right.  He should've gotten himself a different job if he didn't want to encounter that.

    http://wtvr.com/2018/01/29/glenn-doss-obit/
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Less cops would be shot in the face if there were less guns floating around. It’s why the BOP and other police organizations differ from and oppose the policy advocacy of the NRA.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    RYME said:
    CM189191 said:
    Can we please stop putting police up on a pedestal already? 
    1) they knew what they signed up for. Don't want to put your life in the line everyday? Then get another job. 
    2) it's not even top ten most dangerous professions
    3) they're more likely to kill someone else than be killed

    I tried to thank an officer for his service, monitoring our neighborhood, parking lot and building. Coming home from work and I'm wearing a suit and tie. He returned the compliment by drawing his weapon because he perceived me as some sort of threat. 

    Very few cops are heros. Most I've had the pleasure of knowing, are assholes. Some, I assume are good people. 
    I don't believe for one second that you thanked a police officer.  And then you fabricate that he drew his wepon on you for thanking him for his service, come on man, don't insult us all.
    you are calling him a liar based on absolutely nothing. 

    So people must believe everything that is typed on these threads as the truth- no matter how ridiculous those words sound?

    If I'm honest... I don't believe the story either. For one... it's far fetched- very unbelievable. Secondly... CM's posting history on the subject of police and police authority is extreme. He hardly sounds like the type of person to go out of his way to 'thank' an officer for anything.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited February 2018
    CM189191 said:
    Can we please stop putting police up on a pedestal already? 
    1) they knew what they signed up for. Don't want to put your life in the line everyday? Then get another job. 
    2) it's not even top ten most dangerous professions
    3) they're more likely to kill someone else than be killed

    I tried to thank an officer for his service, monitoring our neighborhood, parking lot and building. Coming home from work and I'm wearing a suit and tie. He returned the compliment by drawing his weapon because he perceived me as some sort of threat. 

    Very few cops are heros. Most I've had the pleasure of knowing, are assholes. Some, I assume are good people. 
    While I do believe society puts police on a pedestal in sometimes unhealthy ways, your comment here right now is utterly without class.
    Post edited by rgambs on
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    CM189191 said:
    Can we please stop putting police up on a pedestal already? 
    1) they knew what they signedu up for. Don't want to put your life in the line everyday? Then get another job. 
    2) it's not even top ten most dangerous professions
    3) they're more likely to kill someone else than be killed

    I tried to thank an officer for his service, monitoring our neighborhood, parking lot and building. Coming home from work and I'm wearing a suit and tie. He returned the compliment by drawing his weapon because he perceived me as some sort of threat. 

    Very few cops are heros. Most I've had the pleasure of knowing, are assholes. Some, I assume are good people. 

    This post is a steaming pile of shit
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    wow, a lot of police worship around here.

    this is the reason we live in a police state.  this is how structural racism continues to thrive.  this i why we have the highest incarceration rates in the world.  

    police and the military are an untouchable class.  do not question their sacrifice.  obey.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,792
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    RYME said:
    CM189191 said:
    Can we please stop putting police up on a pedestal already? 
    1) they knew what they signed up for. Don't want to put your life in the line everyday? Then get another job. 
    2) it's not even top ten most dangerous professions
    3) they're more likely to kill someone else than be killed

    I tried to thank an officer for his service, monitoring our neighborhood, parking lot and building. Coming home from work and I'm wearing a suit and tie. He returned the compliment by drawing his weapon because he perceived me as some sort of threat. 

    Very few cops are heros. Most I've had the pleasure of knowing, are assholes. Some, I assume are good people. 
    I don't believe for one second that you thanked a police officer.  And then you fabricate that he drew his wepon on you for thanking him for his service, come on man, don't insult us all.
    you are calling him a liar based on absolutely nothing. 

    So people must believe everything that is typed on these threads as the truth- no matter how ridiculous those words sound?

    If I'm honest... I don't believe the story either. For one... it's far fetched- very unbelievable. Secondly... CM's posting history on the subject of police and police authority is extreme. He hardly sounds like the type of person to go out of his way to 'thank' an officer for anything.
    of course not. nothing wrong with questioning someone's claim. but to outright call someone a liar right out of the gate with zero backup? yeah, no. 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    CM189191 said:
    wow, a lot of police worship around here.

    this is the reason we live in a police state.  this is how structural racism continues to thrive.  this i why we have the highest incarceration rates in the world.  

    police and the military are an untouchable class.  do not question their sacrifice.  obey.

    Lol

    We're so dumb.
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  • stuckinline
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    Please remember there are two families burying their loved ones in Westerville.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    RYME said:
    CM189191 said:
    Can we please stop putting police up on a pedestal already? 
    1) they knew what they signed up for. Don't want to put your life in the line everyday? Then get another job. 
    2) it's not even top ten most dangerous professions
    3) they're more likely to kill someone else than be killed

    I tried to thank an officer for his service, monitoring our neighborhood, parking lot and building. Coming home from work and I'm wearing a suit and tie. He returned the compliment by drawing his weapon because he perceived me as some sort of threat. 

    Very few cops are heros. Most I've had the pleasure of knowing, are assholes. Some, I assume are good people. 
    I don't believe for one second that you thanked a police officer.  And then you fabricate that he drew his wepon on you for thanking him for his service, come on man, don't insult us all.
    you are calling him a liar based on absolutely nothing. 

    So people must believe everything that is typed on these threads as the truth- no matter how ridiculous those words sound?

    If I'm honest... I don't believe the story either. For one... it's far fetched- very unbelievable. Secondly... CM's posting history on the subject of police and police authority is extreme. He hardly sounds like the type of person to go out of his way to 'thank' an officer for anything.
    of course not. nothing wrong with questioning someone's claim. but to outright call someone a liar right out of the gate with zero backup? yeah, no. 

    It was a personal anecdote though with no way of establishing the validity of the comment. I think these types of comments can stand to question when they- at a bare minimum- seem fabricated.

    Do you really think CM... dressed nicely in his suit... went out of his way to thank a local officer for the police work he noticed him doing. And that upon approaching the officer... the cop pulled his gun out because he perceived CM as a threat? Remember that this little ditty was offered in support of CM's assertion that most cops are assholes and that we should not acknowledge their deaths in the line of duty (they were simply getting what they signed up for).
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2018
    police worship? Structural racism? Obey? Lol

    You basically painted all law enforcement as assholes that we shouldn't care about....... until you're the one dialing 911
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    RYME said:
    CM189191 said:
    Can we please stop putting police up on a pedestal already? 
    1) they knew what they signed up for. Don't want to put your life in the line everyday? Then get another job. 
    2) it's not even top ten most dangerous professions
    3) they're more likely to kill someone else than be killed

    I tried to thank an officer for his service, monitoring our neighborhood, parking lot and building. Coming home from work and I'm wearing a suit and tie. He returned the compliment by drawing his weapon because he perceived me as some sort of threat. 

    Very few cops are heros. Most I've had the pleasure of knowing, are assholes. Some, I assume are good people. 
    I don't believe for one second that you thanked a police officer.  And then you fabricate that he drew his wepon on you for thanking him for his service, come on man, don't insult us all.
    you are calling him a liar based on absolutely nothing. 

    So people must believe everything that is typed on these threads as the truth- no matter how ridiculous those words sound?

    If I'm honest... I don't believe the story either. For one... it's far fetched- very unbelievable. Secondly... CM's posting history on the subject of police and police authority is extreme. He hardly sounds like the type of person to go out of his way to 'thank' an officer for anything.
    of course not. nothing wrong with questioning someone's claim. but to outright call someone a liar right out of the gate with zero backup? yeah, no. 

    It was a personal anecdote though with no way of establishing the validity of the comment. I think these types of comments can stand to question when they- at a bare minimum- seem fabricated.

    Do you really think CM... dressed nicely in his suit... went out of his way to thank a local officer for the police work he noticed him doing. And that upon approaching the officer... the cop pulled his gun out because he perceived CM as a threat? Remember that this little ditty was offered in support of CM's assertion that most cops are assholes and that we should not acknowledge their deaths in the line of duty (they were simply getting what they signed up for).
    I really can't say one way or the other. neither can you. 

    again:
    challenge = fine
    liar! = not fine
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    But you can't challenge such a story without inherently calling the person who spewed it a liar.

    Ryme never outright called him a liar. 
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