America's Gun Violence

unsung

Because I can.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Because I can.

Yes you can. Proud to be an American?

Halifax2TheMax

Bet you just can’t wait to watch?

Video Shows Gunman Methodically Killing Church Members - The Wall Street Journal

https://apple.news/AKui53-uaQZysua6fuHwqIg

https://apple.news/AKui53-uaQZysua6fuHwqIg

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

So serious question guys: what are your thoughts/opinions if a shooter brings a 1000 rounds of ammo to a range?
granted all laws are being followed: firearms are secure and guns and ammo are separate. 

Why would they need to bring 1000 rounds to the range? Why couldn’t the range supply the ammo? I don’t understand why anyone would need 1000 rounds in their possession. How many rounds does a combat soldier take on patrol or on a mission to kill the enemy? On average?

I probably have brought 1000 rounds of ammo to a range. As mentioned, range ammo is about double what you can get other places. Just like everything else you can possibly buy, ammo is cheaper in bulk. I used to buy 300-500 rounds at a time because it would be double the cost of 100 rounds.
So why did I bring 1000 rounds to the range? Instead of a bachelor party at a strip club, mine was at a range. Had about 15 friends go with me. Most didn't own guns, and was just easier to have everyone pay me $50 and I buy all the ammo we needed. I can't remember how much ammo we brought, but was probably 2-3000 rounds. 
.22 ammo is so small it is often sold in boxes of 550 that is about the size of a softball. I'm guessing I probably had at least 2 boxes since half my guns are .22. And at least 1000 rounds of other ammo, probably more. Going through 100 rounds of ammo doesn't take long, easily less than an hour. So it makes sense to bring 2-3000 rounds when there was about 15 people there.
Probably not the scenario you had in mind. But if I saw just 1 person with 1000+ rounds, I'd probably just think he plans to sight in and practice with several guns and plans to be there 8 hours. Maybe he just got a few new ones he wants to try before entering a competition, maybe he wants to try different ammo, maybe he has to drive far and only goes once a year so wants to make a day of it. Maybe he just had a better deal on bulk ammo and keeps it all in one ammo can. I can tell you I only buy .22 ammo in those 550 boxes, and usually buy 2 or 3 boxes when I can, because sometimes they can be hard to find.
In any case, I wouldn't really think much of it. Unless he started pulling out some illegal belt fed weapon that can go through 1000 rounds in a few minutes, then he'd probably just be kicked out and banned.

mcgruff10

halifax your realize when bullets burn they don't fly everywhere? That s all Hollywood. 

josevolution

unsung said:

Not shocking that you find assault perfectly acceptable. 

Not shocking that you only believe one side in a two man fight unless you were there to witness the fight , it could very well be that Rand was the instigator ..

Halifax2TheMax

josevolution said:

unsung said:

Not shocking that you find assault perfectly acceptable. 

Not shocking that you only believe one side in a two man fight unless you were there to witness the fight , it could very well be that Rand was the instigator ..

Rand yapping his mouth no less.

Halifax2TheMax

Seems these firefighters didn’t want to get too close with their hoses, now did they?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zl67tsBahUc

mcgruff10

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when get shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. There could be shrapnel if they are stored in a metal box but it s not like a thousand rounds of .223 are being fired out of an ar.

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. 

Why their reluctance to get close then? Surely they’d learn that at the fire academy?

mcgruff10

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. 

Why their reluctance to get close then? Surely they’d learn that at the fire academy?

Residential Fires & Exploding Ammunition

Without getting into the debate about our freedom to bear arms... one thing remains clear... There are a a lot of folks out there with guns and ammunition. Here in California, and don't quote me on this... there seems to be a push to limit access to guns and ammunition from people in an effort to protect us from criminals...  

What this has generated is a fear that the US Government will further restrict access and make it impossible to get ammunition in the future. This fear has created another example of the "Costco" mentality, where people hoard or purchase more than than they really need in fear of not being able to purchase it in the future or just buying things in bulk to save money. 

Meanwhile, we're left holding the bag, so to speak. We still respond to house fires, but sometimes, there is a hidden hazard beyond aerosol cans and propane cylinders exploding.

Ammunition Facts:

Ammunition that is stored in the boxes sold by the manufacturer is not dangerous in a fire. If ignited by intense heat, the brass or plastic cartridge will burst. The particles will not travel very far. The protective clothing that firefighters wear will protect them.

However, if ammunition is stored in a metal container such as a GI .50 caliber ammo box, the ammunition can explode under the right conditions.

CM189191

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

So serious question guys: what are your thoughts/opinions if a shooter brings a 1000 rounds of ammo to a range?
granted all laws are being followed: firearms are secure and guns and ammo are separate. 

Why would they need to bring 1000 rounds to the range? Why couldn’t the range supply the ammo? I don’t understand why anyone would need 1000 rounds in their possession. How many rounds does a combat soldier take on patrol or on a mission to kill the enemy? On average?

range ammo is waaaaaay overpriced.  it's better/cost efficient to bring your own.  

so why is 1000 rounds too much?

If you can regulate the # of rounds people can carry, then why can't you also regulate the mark up on range ammo? 

CM189191

unsung said:

Not shocking that you find assault perfectly acceptable. 

Not assault, neighbor was standing his ground, defending his castle. 

mcgruff10

https://sciencing.com/bullet-reacts-fire-8695985.html

(I was talking about stored bullets and not loaded weapons as I have no loaded firearms in my house.  If I did not make my point clear I apologize.)

BULLETS IN A FIRE

When a bullet is exposed to sufficiently high temperatures, the shell case will burst apart but the bullet will not travel at high speeds or go very far if it is not loaded in a gun. The ability of a bullet to cause injury depends on the speed with which the bullet is fired, and much of this speed depends on the fact that the bullet is being forced down a gun barrel. A loose bullet or a bullet in a cardboard box will not have the additional pressure of the barrel, so while it may fire it will not do so forcefully.

TESTS ON HOT BULLETS

In Episode 85 of the television show "Myth Busters," the danger of putting bullets in a fire was tested by placing .22, .44 and .50 caliber bullets in an oven and then turning on the heat. All of the bullets fired when they got hot, but none of them had sufficient force to shoot through the oven door. By contrast, bullets fired from a gun at an oven door went right through it. A similar test was performed on an open flame with the same results — bullets dropped into the fire went off but were not dangerous.

BULLETS IN A METAL CASE

When bullets are stored in a metal ammunition case or a metal box, they can become dangerous in case of a fire. The reason is that the exploding bullets — ordinarily not particularly dangerous on their own — will cause the sides of the metal case to expand and eventually rip apart under the pressure. The resulting shrapnel can be very dangerous. A firefighter was injured in 2010 by shrapnel that may have come from an exploding metal ammunition case. Firefighters often retreat to a safe distance when cartridges begin to "cook off" or explode in the fire, although experienced firefighters have reported that in most cases their coats are sufficient to protect them from being injured.

GUNS IN A FIRE

When a loaded gun becomes hot enough, it can fire on its own. Myth Busters tested this in Episode 85, by putting a .38 in an oven and turning the heat on. The revolver fired the bullet through the oven door. Firefighters have reported cases in which loaded guns began to fire repeatedly in a burning house. In one case, the firefighters believed they were being shot at from within the house. They left the scene to avoid being shot and the house was lost. In this case, one of the bullets actually struck the fire truck parked outside.

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. 

Why their reluctance to get close then? Surely they’d learn that at the fire academy?

Residential Fires & Exploding Ammunition

Without getting into the debate about our freedom to bear arms... one thing remains clear... There are a a lot of folks out there with guns and ammunition. Here in California, and don't quote me on this... there seems to be a push to limit access to guns and ammunition from people in an effort to protect us from criminals...  

What this has generated is a fear that the US Government will further restrict access and make it impossible to get ammunition in the future. This fear has created another example of the "Costco" mentality, where people hoard or purchase more than than they really need in fear of not being able to purchase it in the future or just buying things in bulk to save money. 

Meanwhile, we're left holding the bag, so to speak. We still respond to house fires, but sometimes, there is a hidden hazard beyond aerosol cans and propane cylinders exploding.

Ammunition Facts:

Ammunition that is stored in the boxes sold by the manufacturer is not dangerous in a fire. If ignited by intense heat, the brass or plastic cartridge will burst. The particles will not travel very far. The protective clothing that firefighters wear will protect them.

However, if ammunition is stored in a metal container such as a GI .50 caliber ammo box, the ammunition can explode under the right conditions.

Source? Stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear. Nothing can be done.

mcgruff10

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. 

Why their reluctance to get close then? Surely they’d learn that at the fire academy?

Residential Fires & Exploding Ammunition

Without getting into the debate about our freedom to bear arms... one thing remains clear... There are a a lot of folks out there with guns and ammunition. Here in California, and don't quote me on this... there seems to be a push to limit access to guns and ammunition from people in an effort to protect us from criminals...  

What this has generated is a fear that the US Government will further restrict access and make it impossible to get ammunition in the future. This fear has created another example of the "Costco" mentality, where people hoard or purchase more than than they really need in fear of not being able to purchase it in the future or just buying things in bulk to save money. 

Meanwhile, we're left holding the bag, so to speak. We still respond to house fires, but sometimes, there is a hidden hazard beyond aerosol cans and propane cylinders exploding.

Ammunition Facts:

Ammunition that is stored in the boxes sold by the manufacturer is not dangerous in a fire. If ignited by intense heat, the brass or plastic cartridge will burst. The particles will not travel very far. The protective clothing that firefighters wear will protect them.

However, if ammunition is stored in a metal container such as a GI .50 caliber ammo box, the ammunition can explode under the right conditions.

Source? Stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear. Nothing can be done.

my bad on the lack of source (I was copying and pasting from my phone):  http://my.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/exploding-ammunition-is-this

So if someone has a 1000 rounds of ammo they are stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear? What are you talking about?  

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. 

Why their reluctance to get close then? Surely they’d learn that at the fire academy?

Residential Fires & Exploding Ammunition

Without getting into the debate about our freedom to bear arms... one thing remains clear... There are a a lot of folks out there with guns and ammunition. Here in California, and don't quote me on this... there seems to be a push to limit access to guns and ammunition from people in an effort to protect us from criminals...  

What this has generated is a fear that the US Government will further restrict access and make it impossible to get ammunition in the future. This fear has created another example of the "Costco" mentality, where people hoard or purchase more than than they really need in fear of not being able to purchase it in the future or just buying things in bulk to save money. 

Meanwhile, we're left holding the bag, so to speak. We still respond to house fires, but sometimes, there is a hidden hazard beyond aerosol cans and propane cylinders exploding.

Ammunition Facts:

Ammunition that is stored in the boxes sold by the manufacturer is not dangerous in a fire. If ignited by intense heat, the brass or plastic cartridge will burst. The particles will not travel very far. The protective clothing that firefighters wear will protect them.

However, if ammunition is stored in a metal container such as a GI .50 caliber ammo box, the ammunition can explode under the right conditions.

Source? Stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear. Nothing can be done.

my bad on the lack of source (I was copying and pasting from my phone):  http://my.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/exploding-ammunition-is-this

So if someone has a 1000 rounds of ammo they are stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear? What are you talking about?  

Seems like it to me. The quote from your link states as such by the CA firefighter. Clearly you don’t think 1000 is enough.

jnimhaoileoin

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

So serious question guys: what are your thoughts/opinions if a shooter brings a 1000 rounds of ammo to a range?
granted all laws are being followed: firearms are secure and guns and ammo are separate. 

Why would they need to bring 1000 rounds to the range? Why couldn’t the range supply the ammo? I don’t understand why anyone would need 1000 rounds in their possession. How many rounds does a combat soldier take on patrol or on a mission to kill the enemy? On average?

I probably have brought 1000 rounds of ammo to a range. As mentioned, range ammo is about double what you can get other places. Just like everything else you can possibly buy, ammo is cheaper in bulk. I used to buy 300-500 rounds at a time because it would be double the cost of 100 rounds.
So why did I bring 1000 rounds to the range? Instead of a bachelor party at a strip club, mine was at a range. Had about 15 friends go with me. Most didn't own guns, and was just easier to have everyone pay me $50 and I buy all the ammo we needed. I can't remember how much ammo we brought, but was probably 2-3000 rounds. 
.22 ammo is so small it is often sold in boxes of 550 that is about the size of a softball. I'm guessing I probably had at least 2 boxes since half my guns are .22. And at least 1000 rounds of other ammo, probably more. Going through 100 rounds of ammo doesn't take long, easily less than an hour. So it makes sense to bring 2-3000 rounds when there was about 15 people there.
Probably not the scenario you had in mind. But if I saw just 1 person with 1000+ rounds, I'd probably just think he plans to sight in and practice with several guns and plans to be there 8 hours. Maybe he just got a few new ones he wants to try before entering a competition, maybe he wants to try different ammo, maybe he has to drive far and only goes once a year so wants to make a day of it. Maybe he just had a better deal on bulk ammo and keeps it all in one ammo can. I can tell you I only buy .22 ammo in those 550 boxes, and usually buy 2 or 3 boxes when I can, because sometimes they can be hard to find.
In any case, I wouldn't really think much of it. Unless he started pulling out some illegal belt fed weapon that can go through 1000 rounds in a few minutes, then he'd probably just be kicked out and banned.

I have to admit I find it quite disturbing that your stag party was at a shooting range. I know to you it's a hobby but I guess it just highlights the cultural difference between America and countries that don't have such high levels of gun violence (I.e. every other first world country). To you it's so normal to be around guns and for them to be commonplace, this is just so alien to me and for that I am extremely thankful

CM189191

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax, it s proven that bullets in a fire don't fly out like they do when shot out of a gun. Sure it s loud and scary but it is not the same. 

Why their reluctance to get close then? Surely they’d learn that at the fire academy?

Residential Fires & Exploding Ammunition

Without getting into the debate about our freedom to bear arms... one thing remains clear... There are a a lot of folks out there with guns and ammunition. Here in California, and don't quote me on this... there seems to be a push to limit access to guns and ammunition from people in an effort to protect us from criminals...  

What this has generated is a fear that the US Government will further restrict access and make it impossible to get ammunition in the future. This fear has created another example of the "Costco" mentality, where people hoard or purchase more than than they really need in fear of not being able to purchase it in the future or just buying things in bulk to save money. 

Meanwhile, we're left holding the bag, so to speak. We still respond to house fires, but sometimes, there is a hidden hazard beyond aerosol cans and propane cylinders exploding.

Ammunition Facts:

Ammunition that is stored in the boxes sold by the manufacturer is not dangerous in a fire. If ignited by intense heat, the brass or plastic cartridge will burst. The particles will not travel very far. The protective clothing that firefighters wear will protect them.

However, if ammunition is stored in a metal container such as a GI .50 caliber ammo box, the ammunition can explode under the right conditions.

Source? Stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear. Nothing can be done.

my bad on the lack of source (I was copying and pasting from my phone):  http://my.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/exploding-ammunition-is-this

So if someone has a 1000 rounds of ammo they are stockpiling ammo due to irrational fear? What are you talking about?  

Why does anyone need 1000 rounds at once?

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

mcgruff10 said:

So serious question guys: what are your thoughts/opinions if a shooter brings a 1000 rounds of ammo to a range?
granted all laws are being followed: firearms are secure and guns and ammo are separate. 

At our last group shoot I went through 1200.  It was a fun day for all.

I wish my fun stuff was included in the Constitution. SAD!

What is your fun stuff that you speak of and how would it add to the conversation?

Having it puts others at risk, but I can justify having it because it's my right, and feeling like a freedom fighter is validating.