It's too late. President Obama and his U.N. troops have the list of registered gun owners and are even now massing on the Deerfield border ready to come in and take away the guns.
The case could be that a locality cannot make gun control laws, only the state. I Don't know Illinois statute. But the SCOTUS has clearly ruled that gun control measures may be passed, but that full weapons ban cannot (Heller).
It's too late. President Obama and his U.N. troops have the list of registered gun owners and are even now massing on the Deerfield border ready to come in and take away the guns.
Armed with rocks?
Armed with brains.
Haha, now I know you are being sarcastic!
Some points just prove themselves
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"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
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Seriously what happened to america? my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18? yeah. cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)." I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today. and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags. what the heck happened to america?
The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
Not everyone. Just the left.
This might be the dumbest post you've ever made.
Says a guy who thinks he will get my guns.
And with just one post, you've managed to outdo yourself.
And you confuse me with someone that believes your opinion on me matters.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Plus, it's well established in America that public safety comes before individual rights anyhow, so it's pretty much a moot point IMO. When it's about increasing safety/the right of people to be safe, nobody owes 2nd amendment freaks anything.
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"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
Oh yeah, San Bernandino too. 40 casualties there and the weapon was another .223 assault rifle.
Yup, the pro gun crowd never talks about those injured by gun violence and the subsequent costs to society. Only the dead matter and not all that much.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
But but but the 2nd amendment
From Scalia, in the majority opinion of Heller:
“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. ‘Miller’said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U.S., at 179, 59 S.Ct. 816. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’”
Justice Scalia also wrote:
“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right
Said in non-leagalese, the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
For the love of the sweet baby Jesus, Unsung, please enumerate specifically what 2A rights have been given up or you personally have experienced as having infringed upon. Anywhere or anyhow in these United States.
Seriously what happened to america? my dad tells me stories of walking into hardware shops in the 50's and 60s and seeing hundreds of military ww2 surplus weapons for sale for literally less than $20 a pop with zero background check. "you over 18? yeah. cool, enjoy this (insert military surplus rifle from ww2)." I mean these weapons were apart of the most destructive war in history and there wasn't any of the mass shootings that we see today. and yes some of those were semi-automatic with high capacity mags. what the heck happened to america?
The NRA sold everyone on the concept of fear. Back then, nobody bought them. Everyone used to leave their back door unlocked, remember? Now? Everyone is a threat. Just ask Unsung.
Not everyone. Just the left.
This might be the dumbest post you've ever made.
Says a guy who thinks he will get my guns.
And with just one post, you've managed to outdo yourself.
And you confuse me with someone that believes your opinion on me matters.
Stop making things up in your head about me. My opinion obviously matters enough for you to respond to it.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
The SCOTUS has already decided on this matter. Limiting your access to any weapon of your choosing does not impair your rights.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
The SCOTUS has already decided on this matter. Limiting your access to any weapon of your choosing does not impair your rights.
And, as mentioned before, there are no rights without limitations. None.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
That is what is often forgot, the walking wounded who didn't die and are discarded when these incidents are discussed and reviewed. This has been said before, but extrapolate out the actual direct impact (I'm not even talking about indirect) of these events and you are talking about thousands of people. Every person who was in that school, club, venue or area where the incident happened went through the worst day of their life until they were able to reunite, make contact or confirm their loved one wasn't among the dead. Then consider everyone one who didn't reunite or make contact and later found out their loved one was dead or injured. Do those people matter to any of you who scoff at the number of dead like it's a piece of lifeless shit so you can still own a weapon you neither need nor can justify usage of besides protection from government tyranny and sport shooting?
You're right McGruff, removing those weapons from the streets will not stop gun violence or murder, but it will make it harder and less capable of being carried out in such a quick and efficient (scary word when you consider the context) manner. Do we not want to be a society that can advance past pure primal desire to shoot and kill if we want? If we can't take it upon ourselves to change an unnecessary part of our existence for the better, then we are not the sentient beings we proclaim to be.
I don't hear anyone demanding that the 1st amendment not be infringed upon when certain words and statements were made criminal and illegal.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
That is what is often forgot, the walking wounded who didn't die and are discarded when these incidents are discussed and reviewed. This has been said before, but extrapolate out the actual direct impact (I'm not even talking about indirect) of these events and you are talking about thousands of people. Every person who was in that school, club, venue or area where the incident happened went through the worst day of their life until they were able to reunite, make contact or confirm their loved one wasn't among the dead. Then consider everyone one who didn't reunite or make contact and later found out their loved one was dead or injured. Do those people matter to any of you who scoff at the number of dead like it's a piece of lifeless shit so you can still own a weapon you neither need nor can justify usage of besides protection from government tyranny and sport shooting?
You're right McGruff, removing those weapons from the streets will not stop gun violence or murder, but it will make it harder and less capable of being carried out in such a quick and efficient (scary word when you consider the context) manner. Do we not want to be a society that can advance past pure primal desire to shoot and kill if we want? If we can't take it upon ourselves to change an unnecessary part of our existence for the better, then we are not the sentient beings we proclaim to be.
I don't hear anyone demanding that the 1st amendment not be infringed upon when certain words and statements were made criminal and illegal.
Right on. Imagine every person killed, wounded or who witnesses gun violence and they know or have at least 10 family members/friends. Now consider all the other people who deal with the aftermath, from first responders and emergency room personnel to teachers and employers. Buh, buh, buh 2A. Sometimes I think the only way some of these folks will change, and I don’t wish ill on anyone, is for them to experience themselves or have a family member or friend be killed or wounded. And even then, for some, the answer will be more guns.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
The SCOTUS has already decided on this matter. Limiting your access to any weapon of your choosing does not impair your rights.
Thank God no one is saying “ban all guns”, because that would definitely impair 2nd A rights. Do you also agree with Scalia’s assessment of what is defined as a “militia”?
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
The SCOTUS has already decided on this matter. Limiting your access to any weapon of your choosing does not impair your rights.
Thank God no one is saying “ban all guns”, because that would definitely impair 2nd A rights. Do you also agree with Scalia’s assessment of what is defined as a “militia”?
You keep circling back to that fear of ban all guns anytime serious and reasonable points are made for implementing measures that don't call for a ban of current owners, but eliminating future ownership and sale. You want high capacity magazines and semi-auto rifles to remain an option for public consumption just because you like them. It's that simple. As opposed to those like Unsung, who want them to protect from the government, which at least is a thought out reason, even if it is the extreme end of the spectrum that I will never understand.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
Yah come on, Scruffy.
I thought you had come to your senses?
It was an honest question del
Is this about the wording again? Because someone inserted the term "military grade" and that is not accurate and should just be saying semi-auto rifle? Does it matter that much to you or do you think people are so confused that if they actually understood these weren't military grade and weren't referred to as assault rifles, they wouldn't still want to take the same action? It's an utterly pointless and insignificant part of the discussion to keep getting hung up on. If you want to be that picky about wording than hold yourself to the same standard when you read and refer to the 2nd amendment. Wording doesn't seem to matter as much then, does it?
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
People's lives are being compromised because wackos are able to get their hands on military grade assault weapons.
Don't know.. but... 58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR 49 killed about same injured at Pulse 27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
Yah come on, Scruffy.
I thought you had come to your senses?
It was an honest question del
What do you think of the response?
I was seriously wondering how many people died as a result of so called assault weapons, that s all. I feel as though you thought my question was not As simple as it was intended.
"Cause it's all or none." Anybody watched that Frontline peace on the NRA from a few years ago? Tells you all you need to know about the gun advocate side. No compromise, ever.
See that is the thing, there never has been compromise. We just lose, lose, and lose. Your "compromise" is taking away our rights.
Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
The SCOTUS has already decided on this matter. Limiting your access to any weapon of your choosing does not impair your rights.
Thank God no one is saying “ban all guns”, because that would definitely impair 2nd A rights. Do you also agree with Scalia’s assessment of what is defined as a “militia”?
He didn't define militia in contemporary terms, from my reading. Where did you interpret that?
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Or please, tell me, what have you compromised? What have you given me in exchange for me losing rights?
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58 killed and 400+ wounded in Vegas from AR
49 killed about same injured at Pulse
27 killed at Sandy Hook (including 20 6/7 year old) and 4 wounded
Three incidents, almost 600 casualties. Hard to justify that.
I thought you had come to your senses?
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“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. ‘Miller’ said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U.S., at 179, 59 S.Ct. 816. We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’”
Justice Scalia also wrote:
“It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service — M-16 rifles and the like — may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty. It may well be true today that a militia, to be as effective as militias in the 18th century, would require sophisticated arms that are highly unusual in society at large. Indeed, it may be true that no amount of small arms could be useful against modern-day bombers and tanks. But the fact that modern developments have limited the degree of fit between the prefatory clause and the protected right cannot change our interpretation of the right
Said in non-leagalese, the 2nd Amendment is not an unlimited right.
For the love of the sweet baby Jesus, Unsung, please enumerate specifically what 2A rights have been given up or you personally have experienced as having infringed upon. Anywhere or anyhow in these United States.
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You're right McGruff, removing those weapons from the streets will not stop gun violence or murder, but it will make it harder and less capable of being carried out in such a quick and efficient (scary word when you consider the context) manner. Do we not want to be a society that can advance past pure primal desire to shoot and kill if we want? If we can't take it upon ourselves to change an unnecessary part of our existence for the better, then we are not the sentient beings we proclaim to be.
I don't hear anyone demanding that the 1st amendment not be infringed upon when certain words and statements were made criminal and illegal.
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