America's Gun Violence

chadwick

yes turkey hunting has a gun & a bow season. still that gun would not be a high powered rifle, it's a shotgun & not one with slugs in it. now there's a smart & tough bird. i've never shot a turkey but I have nearly stepped on a few turkeys, same with quail, these birds quite often hold tight until they're walked on. then again it all changes when the hunter uses a bird dog, then it's a dog nearly stepping on the pheasant or quail. never heard of a turkey hunting dog   

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

Sounds like your mind is made up and no body count is going to change it.

Is it because that's what you believe is better for your family and society, or because you can't bear the thought of losing your toys?

And hey, listen, it's not my intent to pick on you.
You are a rational and good guy, and if anyone can see the other side and why a switch might be necessary, it's you.

My mind is made up on that but I m all for criminal/mental background checks for each purchase, registration for each firearm purchased, and some sort of safety course before your first firearm purchase. 
Damn I used the word purchase a lot lol. 

Registration is the big one, whenever someone agrees to a registry I feel like the battle is half won.
It would all start there.

We have registration here in New Jersey and it works. A national one would help a lot since most of the guns used here illegally come from out of state. 

tempo_n_groove

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

Sounds like your mind is made up and no body count is going to change it.

Is it because that's what you believe is better for your family and society, or because you can't bear the thought of losing your toys?

And hey, listen, it's not my intent to pick on you.
You are a rational and good guy, and if anyone can see the other side and why a switch might be necessary, it's you.

My mind is made up on that but I m all for criminal/mental background checks for each purchase, registration for each firearm purchased, and some sort of safety course before your first firearm purchase. 
Damn I used the word purchase a lot lol. 

Registration is the big one, whenever someone agrees to a registry I feel like the battle is half won.
It would all start there.

We have registration here in New Jersey and it works. A national one would help a lot since most of the guns used here illegally come from out of state. 

I am not a fan of person to person sales and registration.

New weapons I understand.

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I'm no hunter. I hate guns. I hate that my 9 year old son has guns and hunts with his step dad. Having said that, where I am in southern IL, deer hunting is quite important for over populating concerns. Do people use that as justification to hunt when they know nothing of what curbing the population really entails? Yes. But it's still important. So it serves a purpose in theory. So, while you don't agree with it Soul (like me), it's not as simple as just not liking how animals are killed. 

I am aware of the culling theory... and I strongly disagree with it, just because that argument boils down to humans thinking they matter more than the wild animals in the area do. I don't give a shit if humans are inconvenienced because they have encroached upon the animals' habitat. I don't care if the deer snarl traffic (build more crossings for them) or eat everyone's vegetable gardens because they didn't fence it well enough. Yes, I am an avid wild animal welfare advocate, and I'm aware that my views might seem extreme to some, but that's fine with me. Besides, nature tends to take care of these things, if only people would give it the opportunity to. And even with dangerous wild animals in populated areas, I strongly disagree with killing them. I think every single effort should be made to relocate them, and if I have to pay more taxes for that to happen, I'm happy to do so. If the authorities could shoot a bear or cougar dead, then they could have shot it with a tranquilizer dart. No excuses work for me unless we're talking about a mauling/attack situation, literally (obviously all bets are off during animal attacks, and FWIW, I think if someone lives in an area where a bear or cougar (or whatever) attack is a valid concern, carrying a gun for protection is perfectly fine).
But really, that isn't all that relevant to me at the end of the day, because these hunters who use culling as a justification to go sport hunting are still going out to kill for pleasure. Culling is just a convenient excuse to talk away the fact that they are murdering wild animals for fun. I think people who do that have a bit of a screw loose (and some a really big, really lose screw, like those fuckers who go to Africa and kill endangered species like the fucking Trump sons do - that is purely psychopathic IMO). Sorry hunters, but that's just how I feel.

yeah, I've never understood the whole "controlling the (insert animal here) population" argument. nature, as you said, takes care of it on its own. always has. long before humans were here. humans need to stop fucking with nature as if we're the caretakers of the earth. we're not. 

I think this is just another in a long list of weak arguments for gun ownership. 

The problem is that humans have already changed the ecosystem by introducing invasive species/poor farming practices, cities, etc.  In many of the southern states, wild hogs (an invasive species that man introduced to the country) have cause millions upon millions of dollars of damage to agriculture and have destroyed the habitat for other animals as well.  Same with pythons in Florida.  If deer overpopulate, there is something called Chronic Wasting Disease that will wipe out entire populations of them.  Some invasive species will even overpopulate and bring diseases like the plague or rabies into domestic areas.  There are plenty arguments for wildlife population control that I have not mentioned here.  Myself, I am a hunter.  I usually harvest two deer a year and it feeds my family almost all year long.  I hunt wild hogs because they destroy my family’s farmland that is used to produce wheat, livestock feed.  If you are simply against farming and ranching, then do not even bother commenting because I will not respect you from the start...sorry.
As far as the “three guns is all you need” comments...You obviously know nothing about hunting.  Different calibers are used for different animals.  Who are you to decide what someone else needs to protect their home/land or feed their family?  Animal rights activists are often the ones responsible for fucking the environment by releasing wolves into areas that they do not belong, invasive species of fish into lakes, etc.  I would say that hunters have actually contributed to the environment way more than your average PETA supporter, if by nothing else purchasing hunting licenses which funds go towards habitat restoration efforts.  Get off your high horse...

Wrong.  Don't talk about things of which you have little or no knowledge. 

Oh I have plenty of knowledge in this area and that portion of my comment is most definitely correct.  They are the same ones that try to load deer into their cars in Yellowstone to “save them”.  I have several aquantances in the forest service that have stayed what I just did.

Forest service.   Ahhh, right...

You’re right, I should believe some eccentric on the AMT forums.  Much more credible sources here...

We could get into a pissing contest by me putting up my close relations in high places in the USFS against your "acquaintances"  but this is much more fun:

"...some eccentric on the AMT forums". 

Yeah, you just seem like a troll actually...I think the best course of action is probably going to be to just ignore you and move on.  Thank you for your well thought out and literate responses, though, I’m sure someone else will give them the time of day...

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

Sounds like your mind is made up and no body count is going to change it.

Is it because that's what you believe is better for your family and society, or because you can't bear the thought of losing your toys?

And hey, listen, it's not my intent to pick on you.
You are a rational and good guy, and if anyone can see the other side and why a switch might be necessary, it's you.

My mind is made up on that but I m all for criminal/mental background checks for each purchase, registration for each firearm purchased, and some sort of safety course before your first firearm purchase. 
Damn I used the word purchase a lot lol. 

Too bad about your love of hunting (my mind is made ups as well) but I'm glad we agree on background checks.  I forget the exact numbers (it's in the Kimmel video I posted) but something like 88% of Reps and Dems support such checks.  The exception are all those in congress who took money from the NRA and then tweeted "thoughts and prayers".

I can't find the original link I saw but this is close enough:

https://splinternews.com/every-member-of-congress-who-took-money-from-the-nra-an-1819059582

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

KC138045 said:

josevolution said:

Its harder to adopt a dog in this country then to purchase a gun !

Oh come on!  This is a ridiculous statement.

No it isn't. In many states it is indeed easier to buy a gun than adopt a dog from the SPCA.

I think it says as much about why the heck is it so hard to adopt a dog as it does about guns.
Its only true in some states, not true in California.
But I was shocked at hoe hard it was to adopt a dog from a shelter that was going to be put down. We in fact were initially denied because we both worked, but was eventually approved because my wife lives 1/2 from work and came home for work every day. Then there was about $400 in required training and paperwork needed to adopt.
ridiculous

CM189191

HughFreakingDillon said:

what does registry do? I know in Canada it was scrapped after millions and millions of dollars were spent on it. I mean, isn't it kind of moot now with how many billions of unregistered guns already in the country?

gun buy back programs have worked

rgambs

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I'm no hunter. I hate guns. I hate that my 9 year old son has guns and hunts with his step dad. Having said that, where I am in southern IL, deer hunting is quite important for over populating concerns. Do people use that as justification to hunt when they know nothing of what curbing the population really entails? Yes. But it's still important. So it serves a purpose in theory. So, while you don't agree with it Soul (like me), it's not as simple as just not liking how animals are killed. 

I am aware of the culling theory... and I strongly disagree with it, just because that argument boils down to humans thinking they matter more than the wild animals in the area do. I don't give a shit if humans are inconvenienced because they have encroached upon the animals' habitat. I don't care if the deer snarl traffic (build more crossings for them) or eat everyone's vegetable gardens because they didn't fence it well enough. Yes, I am an avid wild animal welfare advocate, and I'm aware that my views might seem extreme to some, but that's fine with me. Besides, nature tends to take care of these things, if only people would give it the opportunity to. And even with dangerous wild animals in populated areas, I strongly disagree with killing them. I think every single effort should be made to relocate them, and if I have to pay more taxes for that to happen, I'm happy to do so. If the authorities could shoot a bear or cougar dead, then they could have shot it with a tranquilizer dart. No excuses work for me unless we're talking about a mauling/attack situation, literally (obviously all bets are off during animal attacks, and FWIW, I think if someone lives in an area where a bear or cougar (or whatever) attack is a valid concern, carrying a gun for protection is perfectly fine).
But really, that isn't all that relevant to me at the end of the day, because these hunters who use culling as a justification to go sport hunting are still going out to kill for pleasure. Culling is just a convenient excuse to talk away the fact that they are murdering wild animals for fun. I think people who do that have a bit of a screw loose (and some a really big, really lose screw, like those fuckers who go to Africa and kill endangered species like the fucking Trump sons do - that is purely psychopathic IMO). Sorry hunters, but that's just how I feel.

yeah, I've never understood the whole "controlling the (insert animal here) population" argument. nature, as you said, takes care of it on its own. always has. long before humans were here. humans need to stop fucking with nature as if we're the caretakers of the earth. we're not. 

I think this is just another in a long list of weak arguments for gun ownership. 

The problem is that humans have already changed the ecosystem by introducing invasive species/poor farming practices, cities, etc.  In many of the southern states, wild hogs (an invasive species that man introduced to the country) have cause millions upon millions of dollars of damage to agriculture and have destroyed the habitat for other animals as well.  Same with pythons in Florida.  If deer overpopulate, there is something called Chronic Wasting Disease that will wipe out entire populations of them.  Some invasive species will even overpopulate and bring diseases like the plague or rabies into domestic areas.  There are plenty arguments for wildlife population control that I have not mentioned here.  Myself, I am a hunter.  I usually harvest two deer a year and it feeds my family almost all year long.  I hunt wild hogs because they destroy my family’s farmland that is used to produce wheat, livestock feed.  If you are simply against farming and ranching, then do not even bother commenting because I will not respect you from the start...sorry.
As far as the “three guns is all you need” comments...You obviously know nothing about hunting.  Different calibers are used for different animals.  Who are you to decide what someone else needs to protect their home/land or feed their family?  Animal rights activists are often the ones responsible for fucking the environment by releasing wolves into areas that they do not belong, invasive species of fish into lakes, etc.  I would say that hunters have actually contributed to the environment way more than your average PETA supporter, if by nothing else purchasing hunting licenses which funds go towards habitat restoration efforts.  Get off your high horse...

Wrong.  Don't talk about things of which you have little or no knowledge. 

Oh I have plenty of knowledge in this area and that portion of my comment is most definitely correct.  They are the same ones that try to load deer into their cars in Yellowstone to “save them”.  I have several aquantances in the forest service that have stayed what I just did.

Forest service.   Ahhh, right...

You’re right, I should believe some eccentric on the AMT forums.  Much more credible sources here...

We could get into a pissing contest by me putting up my close relations in high places in the USFS against your "acquaintances"  but this is much more fun:

"...some eccentric on the AMT forums". 

Yeah, you just seem like a troll actually...I think the best course of action is probably going to be to just ignore you and move on.  Thank you for your well thought out and literate responses, though, I’m sure someone else will give them the time of day...

Hahaha congratulations, you have just insulted one of the wisest and most widely respected members here lol
Classy move!

chadwick

something else that bugs me is that it's ok to fish, kill the fish, clean the fish, cook the fish & eat it. the fisherman/fisherwoman get no static for killing the fish. but if that same person went out & shot a deer to help feed their family, save $$$ by spending less at the grocery store & eating healthy, this hunter would be a scumbag.

& by the way, i haven't hunted in over 20 years & i do not own a gun.

Gern Blansten

Joe Scarborough made a good (although extremely obvious) point this morning.  All of these couch GI Joes that get hard ons for guns always yap about how the 2nd amendment is supposed to allow citizens to protect themselves from government tyranny.

Yet, the moment they would use their gun against the government they would be taking up arms against the United States and against our brave military.  The very military that they shit their panties over when the NFL guys kneeled.

mace1229

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what does registry do? I know in Canada it was scrapped after millions and millions of dollars were spent on it. I mean, isn't it kind of moot now with how many billions of unregistered guns already in the country?

gun buy back programs have worked

Gun buy back programs are a waste of money and do not work.
It gets more guns off the street yes, but who is turning them in? Mostly people who inherited a gun and dont want to deal with it or have no desire to keep one. 
Also, with these buy back programs many people go buy cheap, nonworking guns for $35 and sell it back for $100.
Its just a way for the sheriff and mayor or whoever is involved to brag they got X number of guns off the street with their program.
I doubt a single criminal has ever given up his gun, or stolen/unregistered guns have been returned by someone who intended to use it.

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

I m not entrenched, I am very open minded. But I don't think government should dictate how many weapons you own.  

why do you hate america?

That was funny.

PJ_Soul

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what does registry do? I know in Canada it was scrapped after millions and millions of dollars were spent on it. I mean, isn't it kind of moot now with how many billions of unregistered guns already in the country?

gun buy back programs have worked

They certainly don't hurt. A gun registry isn't going to solve the problem, but sure, it helps for gun buybacks. But until Americans en masse basically feel that guns are for douchebags, losers, and criminals, and that guns are something to be wary of instead of proud of, the problem isn't going away. So maybe a few hundred years from now, everyone's great, great, great grandkids can look back at this time and marvel at how trigger happy and irresponsible everyone was.... it'll be like a whole new era for them to study in social studies: "The 21st Century and America's Gun Obsession".

HughFreakingDillon

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I'm no hunter. I hate guns. I hate that my 9 year old son has guns and hunts with his step dad. Having said that, where I am in southern IL, deer hunting is quite important for over populating concerns. Do people use that as justification to hunt when they know nothing of what curbing the population really entails? Yes. But it's still important. So it serves a purpose in theory. So, while you don't agree with it Soul (like me), it's not as simple as just not liking how animals are killed. 

I am aware of the culling theory... and I strongly disagree with it, just because that argument boils down to humans thinking they matter more than the wild animals in the area do. I don't give a shit if humans are inconvenienced because they have encroached upon the animals' habitat. I don't care if the deer snarl traffic (build more crossings for them) or eat everyone's vegetable gardens because they didn't fence it well enough. Yes, I am an avid wild animal welfare advocate, and I'm aware that my views might seem extreme to some, but that's fine with me. Besides, nature tends to take care of these things, if only people would give it the opportunity to. And even with dangerous wild animals in populated areas, I strongly disagree with killing them. I think every single effort should be made to relocate them, and if I have to pay more taxes for that to happen, I'm happy to do so. If the authorities could shoot a bear or cougar dead, then they could have shot it with a tranquilizer dart. No excuses work for me unless we're talking about a mauling/attack situation, literally (obviously all bets are off during animal attacks, and FWIW, I think if someone lives in an area where a bear or cougar (or whatever) attack is a valid concern, carrying a gun for protection is perfectly fine).
But really, that isn't all that relevant to me at the end of the day, because these hunters who use culling as a justification to go sport hunting are still going out to kill for pleasure. Culling is just a convenient excuse to talk away the fact that they are murdering wild animals for fun. I think people who do that have a bit of a screw loose (and some a really big, really lose screw, like those fuckers who go to Africa and kill endangered species like the fucking Trump sons do - that is purely psychopathic IMO). Sorry hunters, but that's just how I feel.

yeah, I've never understood the whole "controlling the (insert animal here) population" argument. nature, as you said, takes care of it on its own. always has. long before humans were here. humans need to stop fucking with nature as if we're the caretakers of the earth. we're not. 

I think this is just another in a long list of weak arguments for gun ownership. 

The problem is that humans have already changed the ecosystem by introducing invasive species/poor farming practices, cities, etc.  In many of the southern states, wild hogs (an invasive species that man introduced to the country) have cause millions upon millions of dollars of damage to agriculture and have destroyed the habitat for other animals as well.  Same with pythons in Florida.  If deer overpopulate, there is something called Chronic Wasting Disease that will wipe out entire populations of them.  Some invasive species will even overpopulate and bring diseases like the plague or rabies into domestic areas.  There are plenty arguments for wildlife population control that I have not mentioned here.  Myself, I am a hunter.  I usually harvest two deer a year and it feeds my family almost all year long.  I hunt wild hogs because they destroy my family’s farmland that is used to produce wheat, livestock feed.  If you are simply against farming and ranching, then do not even bother commenting because I will not respect you from the start...sorry.
As far as the “three guns is all you need” comments...You obviously know nothing about hunting.  Different calibers are used for different animals.  Who are you to decide what someone else needs to protect their home/land or feed their family?  Animal rights activists are often the ones responsible for fucking the environment by releasing wolves into areas that they do not belong, invasive species of fish into lakes, etc.  I would say that hunters have actually contributed to the environment way more than your average PETA supporter, if by nothing else purchasing hunting licenses which funds go towards habitat restoration efforts.  Get off your high horse...

Wrong.  Don't talk about things of which you have little or no knowledge. 

Oh I have plenty of knowledge in this area and that portion of my comment is most definitely correct.  They are the same ones that try to load deer into their cars in Yellowstone to “save them”.  I have several aquantances in the forest service that have stayed what I just did.

Forest service.   Ahhh, right...

You’re right, I should believe some eccentric on the AMT forums.  Much more credible sources here...

We could get into a pissing contest by me putting up my close relations in high places in the USFS against your "acquaintances"  but this is much more fun:

"...some eccentric on the AMT forums". 

Yeah, you just seem like a troll actually...I think the best course of action is probably going to be to just ignore you and move on.  Thank you for your well thought out and literate responses, though, I’m sure someone else will give them the time of day...

wow. never thought I'd see Brian be called a troll. that's about as odd as it gets. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I'm no hunter. I hate guns. I hate that my 9 year old son has guns and hunts with his step dad. Having said that, where I am in southern IL, deer hunting is quite important for over populating concerns. Do people use that as justification to hunt when they know nothing of what curbing the population really entails? Yes. But it's still important. So it serves a purpose in theory. So, while you don't agree with it Soul (like me), it's not as simple as just not liking how animals are killed. 

I am aware of the culling theory... and I strongly disagree with it, just because that argument boils down to humans thinking they matter more than the wild animals in the area do. I don't give a shit if humans are inconvenienced because they have encroached upon the animals' habitat. I don't care if the deer snarl traffic (build more crossings for them) or eat everyone's vegetable gardens because they didn't fence it well enough. Yes, I am an avid wild animal welfare advocate, and I'm aware that my views might seem extreme to some, but that's fine with me. Besides, nature tends to take care of these things, if only people would give it the opportunity to. And even with dangerous wild animals in populated areas, I strongly disagree with killing them. I think every single effort should be made to relocate them, and if I have to pay more taxes for that to happen, I'm happy to do so. If the authorities could shoot a bear or cougar dead, then they could have shot it with a tranquilizer dart. No excuses work for me unless we're talking about a mauling/attack situation, literally (obviously all bets are off during animal attacks, and FWIW, I think if someone lives in an area where a bear or cougar (or whatever) attack is a valid concern, carrying a gun for protection is perfectly fine).
But really, that isn't all that relevant to me at the end of the day, because these hunters who use culling as a justification to go sport hunting are still going out to kill for pleasure. Culling is just a convenient excuse to talk away the fact that they are murdering wild animals for fun. I think people who do that have a bit of a screw loose (and some a really big, really lose screw, like those fuckers who go to Africa and kill endangered species like the fucking Trump sons do - that is purely psychopathic IMO). Sorry hunters, but that's just how I feel.

yeah, I've never understood the whole "controlling the (insert animal here) population" argument. nature, as you said, takes care of it on its own. always has. long before humans were here. humans need to stop fucking with nature as if we're the caretakers of the earth. we're not. 

I think this is just another in a long list of weak arguments for gun ownership. 

The problem is that humans have already changed the ecosystem by introducing invasive species/poor farming practices, cities, etc.  In many of the southern states, wild hogs (an invasive species that man introduced to the country) have cause millions upon millions of dollars of damage to agriculture and have destroyed the habitat for other animals as well.  Same with pythons in Florida.  If deer overpopulate, there is something called Chronic Wasting Disease that will wipe out entire populations of them.  Some invasive species will even overpopulate and bring diseases like the plague or rabies into domestic areas.  There are plenty arguments for wildlife population control that I have not mentioned here.  Myself, I am a hunter.  I usually harvest two deer a year and it feeds my family almost all year long.  I hunt wild hogs because they destroy my family’s farmland that is used to produce wheat, livestock feed.  If you are simply against farming and ranching, then do not even bother commenting because I will not respect you from the start...sorry.
As far as the “three guns is all you need” comments...You obviously know nothing about hunting.  Different calibers are used for different animals.  Who are you to decide what someone else needs to protect their home/land or feed their family?  Animal rights activists are often the ones responsible for fucking the environment by releasing wolves into areas that they do not belong, invasive species of fish into lakes, etc.  I would say that hunters have actually contributed to the environment way more than your average PETA supporter, if by nothing else purchasing hunting licenses which funds go towards habitat restoration efforts.  Get off your high horse...

Wrong.  Don't talk about things of which you have little or no knowledge. 

Oh I have plenty of knowledge in this area and that portion of my comment is most definitely correct.  They are the same ones that try to load deer into their cars in Yellowstone to “save them”.  I have several aquantances in the forest service that have stayed what I just did.

Forest service.   Ahhh, right...

You’re right, I should believe some eccentric on the AMT forums.  Much more credible sources here...

We could get into a pissing contest by me putting up my close relations in high places in the USFS against your "acquaintances"  but this is much more fun:

"...some eccentric on the AMT forums". 

Yeah, you just seem like a troll actually...I think the best course of action is probably going to be to just ignore you and move on.  Thank you for your well thought out and literate responses, though, I’m sure someone else will give them the time of day...

wow. never thought I'd see Brian be called a troll. that's about as odd as it gets. 

Ah, it's the classic "I insult you, you justifiably react, and I call you a troll" tactic.

CM189191

mace1229 said:

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

what does registry do? I know in Canada it was scrapped after millions and millions of dollars were spent on it. I mean, isn't it kind of moot now with how many billions of unregistered guns already in the country?

gun buy back programs have worked

Gun buy back programs are a waste of money and do not work.
It gets more guns off the street yes, but who is turning them in? Mostly people who inherited a gun and dont want to deal with it or have no desire to keep one. 
Also, with these buy back programs many people go buy cheap, nonworking guns for $35 and sell it back for $100.
Its just a way for the sheriff and mayor or whoever is involved to brag they got X number of guns off the street with their program.
I doubt a single criminal has ever given up his gun, or stolen/unregistered guns have been returned by someone who intended to use it.

Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted.

chadwick

question - a canadian hunts, he/she own a few guns & every year goes out moose hunting. this person is a douchebag, loser & a criminal?     

dignin

chadwick said:

a hunter would use a shotgun for bird hunting, deer & small game. in iowa a hunter could not deer hunt with a high powered rifle until maybe 10 years ago or so & for only one week in january. shotgun pellets do not travel far at all which is good from a safety view. a shotgun slug is not pellets so a hunter would have a slug in the gun's chamber for deer hunting. a hunter does not goose or duck hunt with a high powered rifle because the round is not pellets spreading out in a pattern the bird flies into (leading the bird). shooting a .30-06, .223, or even the small but extremely fast & very popular .22 round travel great distances. a hunter taking air shots at birds is one stupid son of a bitch & any safe hunter knows this fact when he or she is a youngster        

I need to back to where I commented about shooting birds out of the air with my rifle to figure out what you are talking about. Oh wait, I never said that......or maybe I'm just a stupid son of a bitch.

PJ_Soul

chadwick said:

question - a canadian hunts, he/she own a few guns & every year goes out moose hunting. this person is a douchebag, loser & a criminal?     

I think anyone who goes out and makes a ritual of murdering a moose is a huge douchebag loser, yes, but that is not actually what I meant. I meant and said that Americans will have to think that in the future for the gun obsession not to exist in America anymore.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

brianlux said:

PJPOWER said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I'm no hunter. I hate guns. I hate that my 9 year old son has guns and hunts with his step dad. Having said that, where I am in southern IL, deer hunting is quite important for over populating concerns. Do people use that as justification to hunt when they know nothing of what curbing the population really entails? Yes. But it's still important. So it serves a purpose in theory. So, while you don't agree with it Soul (like me), it's not as simple as just not liking how animals are killed. 

I am aware of the culling theory... and I strongly disagree with it, just because that argument boils down to humans thinking they matter more than the wild animals in the area do. I don't give a shit if humans are inconvenienced because they have encroached upon the animals' habitat. I don't care if the deer snarl traffic (build more crossings for them) or eat everyone's vegetable gardens because they didn't fence it well enough. Yes, I am an avid wild animal welfare advocate, and I'm aware that my views might seem extreme to some, but that's fine with me. Besides, nature tends to take care of these things, if only people would give it the opportunity to. And even with dangerous wild animals in populated areas, I strongly disagree with killing them. I think every single effort should be made to relocate them, and if I have to pay more taxes for that to happen, I'm happy to do so. If the authorities could shoot a bear or cougar dead, then they could have shot it with a tranquilizer dart. No excuses work for me unless we're talking about a mauling/attack situation, literally (obviously all bets are off during animal attacks, and FWIW, I think if someone lives in an area where a bear or cougar (or whatever) attack is a valid concern, carrying a gun for protection is perfectly fine).
But really, that isn't all that relevant to me at the end of the day, because these hunters who use culling as a justification to go sport hunting are still going out to kill for pleasure. Culling is just a convenient excuse to talk away the fact that they are murdering wild animals for fun. I think people who do that have a bit of a screw loose (and some a really big, really lose screw, like those fuckers who go to Africa and kill endangered species like the fucking Trump sons do - that is purely psychopathic IMO). Sorry hunters, but that's just how I feel.

yeah, I've never understood the whole "controlling the (insert animal here) population" argument. nature, as you said, takes care of it on its own. always has. long before humans were here. humans need to stop fucking with nature as if we're the caretakers of the earth. we're not. 

I think this is just another in a long list of weak arguments for gun ownership. 

The problem is that humans have already changed the ecosystem by introducing invasive species/poor farming practices, cities, etc.  In many of the southern states, wild hogs (an invasive species that man introduced to the country) have cause millions upon millions of dollars of damage to agriculture and have destroyed the habitat for other animals as well.  Same with pythons in Florida.  If deer overpopulate, there is something called Chronic Wasting Disease that will wipe out entire populations of them.  Some invasive species will even overpopulate and bring diseases like the plague or rabies into domestic areas.  There are plenty arguments for wildlife population control that I have not mentioned here.  Myself, I am a hunter.  I usually harvest two deer a year and it feeds my family almost all year long.  I hunt wild hogs because they destroy my family’s farmland that is used to produce wheat, livestock feed.  If you are simply against farming and ranching, then do not even bother commenting because I will not respect you from the start...sorry.
As far as the “three guns is all you need” comments...You obviously know nothing about hunting.  Different calibers are used for different animals.  Who are you to decide what someone else needs to protect their home/land or feed their family?  Animal rights activists are often the ones responsible for fucking the environment by releasing wolves into areas that they do not belong, invasive species of fish into lakes, etc.  I would say that hunters have actually contributed to the environment way more than your average PETA supporter, if by nothing else purchasing hunting licenses which funds go towards habitat restoration efforts.  Get off your high horse...

Wrong.  Don't talk about things of which you have little or no knowledge. 

Oh I have plenty of knowledge in this area and that portion of my comment is most definitely correct.  They are the same ones that try to load deer into their cars in Yellowstone to “save them”.  I have several aquantances in the forest service that have stayed what I just did.

Forest service.   Ahhh, right...

You’re right, I should believe some eccentric on the AMT forums.  Much more credible sources here...

We could get into a pissing contest by me putting up my close relations in high places in the USFS against your "acquaintances"  but this is much more fun:

"...some eccentric on the AMT forums". 

Yeah, you just seem like a troll actually...I think the best course of action is probably going to be to just ignore you and move on.  Thank you for your well thought out and literate responses, though, I’m sure someone else will give them the time of day...

wow. never thought I'd see Brian be called a troll. that's about as odd as it gets. 

I know.  I don't know weather to laugh or scratch my head.  If I laugh, that might seem like trolling.  If I scratch my head... oh shit...  is that also trolling?

And sorry, PJPower but sometimes I do have to laugh at this shit just to keep from losing my marbles.

I gotta get to work.  See y'all on the flip side.