America's Gun Violence

RunIntoTheRain

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

why? you'd have to be unstable to do something like this, don't you think?

oftenreading

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

That's a clearer way of explaining it than just saying "mental instability". 

The automatic assumption that anyone who perpetrates violence must be mentally ill flies against a substantial body of evidence and simply perpetuates stigma against people who do have mental illness. 
 

pjhawks

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

josevolution

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

mcgruff10

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

He could have broken them down piece by piece.  Absolute craziness that this happened. 

bootlegger10

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

josevolution

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

Jason P

He essentially had 3.5 days to set up so I'm guessing he made several trips getting everything up to his room to seem inconspicuous.  Appears that he was set up in one of the corner suites to shoot from two different angles.  Odd that no one sensed him acting differently because this seems like the type of assault that would take years to organize without raising suspension or red flags from anyone.

tempo_n_groove

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

This is all new Jose.  No one was prepared for this because nothing like this has happened before.

No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.

Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?

crookedcross

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

Videos seem to show that it was one of those automatic weapons that nobody has.

Yeah, that was a fully automatic weapon. I remember a while back when a few people called me completely fucking ignorant about guns for talking about the dangers of fully automatic rifles in the wrong hands. Some said these were necessarily illegal too... and now that is starting to sound untrue. Honestly, I have never been given any reason to think that so-called "experts" on the subject know wtf they're talking about, and that there is actually false information out there for them to use as ammunition against gun control (and to misinform them while they think they are well-informed) - I'm starting to think they are often full of shit and will just say anything to defend gun rights, whether it's true or not.

PJ_Soul

crookedcross said:

oftenreading said:

Terrorists indeed come in many forms. In the USA, those of the white male form outnumber all the others. 

wtf

Well it's true. Everyone is terrified of the brown variety, while the greater risk by far are the white domestics. American fears are not often based on reality.

josevolution

tempo_n_groove said:

josevolution said:

bootlegger10 said:

josevolution said:

pjhawks said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

oftenreading said:

RunIntoTheRain said:

I always wonder how someone that could do such a horrific thing could not have given off some clues about their mental instability.

Please don't equate violence and mental "instability"/mental illness. 

Come on. I'm not saying mental instability equals violence. I'm saying to commit violence in this manner, something is wrong with your way of thinking and I would think your behavior beforehand would likely indicate something, at least in hindsight.

here is the part i don't get. they said he checked on Thursday. Are you telling me no one cleaned his room and/or saw anything in that room since Thursday? it is that easy to hide high powered rifles and ammo?

Never mind how about the fact that he was able to just get all those items into casino ? he could of just left the do not disturbe sign on door they absolutly respect those ....

Could have easily brought that stuff in a golf bag.  Definitely big enough and no one would look twice at it.

So the answer is to do what to avoid this kind of scenario ?

This is all new Jose.  No one was prepared for this because nothing like this has happened before.

No one has busted open a window of a hotel and shot at 40,000 people hundreds of yards away.

Who would think that this scenario is what you'd need to prevent?!?

Well it's happened so what are the answers you know what they are just like all the other shootings , i'll tell you what the answers will be nothing nada zilch this is the biggest mass shooting in this countries history till the next one ! nothing will come of this except will get to know the whole history of this man .....

HughFreakingDillon

8 charts that explain America's gun culture:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/politics/guns-maps-las-vegas/index.html

PJ_Soul

Something isn't working, that's for sure.

josevolution

This thread will never die ..

my2hands

josevolution said:

This thread will never die ..

Sure it will.... humans aren't going to last forever brother

mattsl1983

rgambs said:

mattsl1983 said:

pjhawks said:

mattsl1983 said:

So we don't know if these guns were obtained legally.  Automatic guns are extremely hard and expensive to obtain legally.  I support the 2nd amendment.  I have zero blood on my hands.  If you support illegal immigration and an illegal immigrant kills someone, does that mean you have blood on your hands?  Some of these responses are so out there and are just knee jerk reactions.  "Ban the guns!"  "This wouldn't happen if guns were illegal!". My question will be once the facts come in, and if these guns were obtained illegally, how would changing gun laws prevented this?  If the gun was already illegal and obtained illegally then would one more law have made the person stop and say, "oh jeez, I was okay with breaking this law and shooting a bunch of people, but now that they passed this new law, I just don't want to risk it."

At least wait for facts to come in before politicizing and exploiting this situation for your own beliefs.  It's a terrible situation that should never have happened.  Let's get to the issue of why it happened and what could have been done to prevent it.  I think it's best to wait for facts to come in to be able to do that with a clear mind.  Emotional reactions aren't always the best and most thought out reactions.  Just saying.

no, because even if this is a case where someone purchased these illegally it's still fucking insane to think someone can purchase a weapon meant for combat legally in this country.  whether this event happened or not it's still insane we allow those type of guns to be obtained by citizens.  so no let's politicize the fucker now.

So you are going to attack someone's rights, that if they can pass the extensive background check, that has nothing to do with what happened?  Should we ban alcohol because a minor gets his hands on some and drives drunk and kills someone?  

Well we did ban alcohol for minors, and we did make it illegal to sell to a minor, and we did make it illegal to drive intoxicated, and we did set up a system of regulatory laws to control the production and distribution of alcohol soooo...yeah, not a good analogy bud.

How so?  With all these laws and regulations in effect, there is no possible way a minor can get their hands on alcohol right?  I'm glad, cause I sure would hate to ever hear of a drunk 18 year old crashing and dying, or worse killing someone else.  That would never happen because laws and regulations are put in place right?  

josevolution

my2hands said:

josevolution said:

This thread will never die ..

Sure it will.... humans aren't going to last forever brother

At this rate you are correct , the baffoon is trying to make it happen sooner rather than later ..