America's Gun Violence

CM189191

reset the clock
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html?ICID=ref_fark
Why weren't any of these people armed to defend themselves while they were trying to enjoy a nice softball game?

Gern Blansten

CM189191 said:

reset the clock
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html?ICID=ref_fark
Why weren't any of these people armed to defend themselves while they were trying to enjoy a nice softball game?

No shit...all of those snowflake republicans should have been packing heat

tbergs

Just because it was a republican doesn't make this ok. The instability will only get worse and key republicans have a reason to be fearful as long as we are lead by a divisive individual. Desperate times....

CM189191

Virginia:

No background checks for private sales

No licensing

No registration

No permit required for concealed carry of long guns

Open carry long guns & handguns
No restrictions on large-capacity magazines

but now is not the time to talk about gun control

Gern Blansten

Rand Paul even said that if the Capitol police weren't there a lot of people would have died....he's been pretty anti gun control.

Maybe this will wake his ass up?  No matter how pro gun you are and how many guns you own the element of surprise will get your ass shot every time.

dignin

Chickens something something roost.

Bentleyspop

Guns don't  kill people




Gun owners kill people

CM189191

Gern Blansten said:

Rand Paul even said that if the Capitol police weren't there a lot of people would have died....he's been pretty anti gun control.

Maybe this will wake his ass up?  No matter how pro gun you are and how many guns you own the element of surprise will get your ass shot every time.

perfect example of Republican logic:  ________ is evil for everyone else until I need it for myself

gun control
abortion
food stamps
social security
subsidized health care
....and on.....

ponytd

Gern Blansten said:

CM189191 said:

reset the clock
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/14/virginia-gop-baseball-practice-shooting-multiple-people-shot.html?ICID=ref_fark
Why weren't any of these people armed to defend themselves while they were trying to enjoy a nice softball game?

No shit...all of those snowflake republicans should have been packing heat

I don't know too many people that carry a gun while playing sports. I know I don't. Nor do I carry when going in to the gym. Nor do I carry if I'm going to an event outside where there are police present

CM189191

dignin said:

Chickens something something roost.

oftenreading

riley540 said:

Gotta think about why the founders put in the 2nd amendment. That's the answer 

Because they were all wealthy white men who wanted to be able to protect what they saw as theirs by right?

HesCalledDyer

dudeman said:

HesCalledDyer said:

riley540 said:

tbergs said:

riley540 said:

New to this conversation  

i grew up in Anchorage Alaska. Now I, myself have shot guns and everything, but have no desire to ever own one, but I will say that I grew up around a lot of responsible gun owners. Growing up, I was taught how to safely handle a gun instead of being taught to fear a gun. I understand the outrage because bad people have easy access to guns, and it needs to stop. But I also full heatedly want to keep guns in the hands of my fellow Alaskans who's use them responsibly. I know all kinds of people who like to collect fire arms, people that like to go hunting, people that go to the range for fun, and even people who just like to have one in their car when they go out at night. All very good people. My girlfriend recently said she wants to get education on how to properly handle a gun and I fully support her. We can all co-exist. Not all gun owners are bad 

True, people can co exist, but guns and people have been incompatible for a few hundred years already. Stricter gun laws will possibly lower incidents of shootings, but we're never going to end the problem until one of us ceases to exist. All of our efforts are merely bandaids on an already severed head and there's lots of blood to soak up these days.

I just fear that if guns are harder to get, then only the out laws are going to have guns. Might as well just keep the good people armed at this point. 

Depends on what you mean by "harder to get."

I find it absolutely outrageous that any person in this country who wants to operate a motor vehicle has to go through a basic training class, a written test, be placed on a provisional period, pass another written test, and a physical driving test to do so and no one bats an eye.  But mention you want to do the same type of process with guns and oh my lord it's the end of the free fucking world.

Tons of people are killed each year in cars. You have to be 18 to buy a gun. Driving and owning a car is not a constitutionally protected right.

We've been over this a lot in this thread. Driving cars and the regulations that apply are not comparable to gun ownership in this country. 

And apparently you're still missing the point.  When did I say anything that infringed upon the 2nd Amendment rights of the people?  I didn't.  Nothing I said would keep anyone who legally wanted to own a gun from owning a gun.  You wouldn't want someone driving a car who isn't trained properly on how to drive and who doesn't understand the rules of the road.  Just asking for better regulations and licensing.
The right is so hell-bent on notions of a "strong vetting process" except for when it comes to muh gunz.

Gern Blansten

holy shit the shooter's facebook profile is all Bernie Sanders

ponytd

HesCalledDyer said:

dudeman said:

HesCalledDyer said:

riley540 said:

tbergs said:

riley540 said:

New to this conversation  

i grew up in Anchorage Alaska. Now I, myself have shot guns and everything, but have no desire to ever own one, but I will say that I grew up around a lot of responsible gun owners. Growing up, I was taught how to safely handle a gun instead of being taught to fear a gun. I understand the outrage because bad people have easy access to guns, and it needs to stop. But I also full heatedly want to keep guns in the hands of my fellow Alaskans who's use them responsibly. I know all kinds of people who like to collect fire arms, people that like to go hunting, people that go to the range for fun, and even people who just like to have one in their car when they go out at night. All very good people. My girlfriend recently said she wants to get education on how to properly handle a gun and I fully support her. We can all co-exist. Not all gun owners are bad 

True, people can co exist, but guns and people have been incompatible for a few hundred years already. Stricter gun laws will possibly lower incidents of shootings, but we're never going to end the problem until one of us ceases to exist. All of our efforts are merely bandaids on an already severed head and there's lots of blood to soak up these days.

I just fear that if guns are harder to get, then only the out laws are going to have guns. Might as well just keep the good people armed at this point. 

Depends on what you mean by "harder to get."

I find it absolutely outrageous that any person in this country who wants to operate a motor vehicle has to go through a basic training class, a written test, be placed on a provisional period, pass another written test, and a physical driving test to do so and no one bats an eye.  But mention you want to do the same type of process with guns and oh my lord it's the end of the free fucking world.

Tons of people are killed each year in cars. You have to be 18 to buy a gun. Driving and owning a car is not a constitutionally protected right.

We've been over this a lot in this thread. Driving cars and the regulations that apply are not comparable to gun ownership in this country. 

And apparently you're still missing the point.  When did I say anything that infringed upon the 2nd Amendment rights of the people?  I didn't.  Nothing I said would keep anyone who legally wanted to own a gun from owning a gun.  You wouldn't want someone driving a car who isn't trained properly on how to drive and who doesn't understand the rules of the road.  Just asking for better regulations and licensing.
The right is so hell-bent on notions of a "strong vetting process" except for when it comes to muh gunz.

I agree with that. I'd be behind a mandatory firearms training and/or safety course before you can legally purchase a gun. It's not infringing on anyone's right to own one, unless you prove that you're unsafe.

tbergs

ponytd said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dudeman said:

HesCalledDyer said:

riley540 said:

tbergs said:

riley540 said:

New to this conversation  

i grew up in Anchorage Alaska. Now I, myself have shot guns and everything, but have no desire to ever own one, but I will say that I grew up around a lot of responsible gun owners. Growing up, I was taught how to safely handle a gun instead of being taught to fear a gun. I understand the outrage because bad people have easy access to guns, and it needs to stop. But I also full heatedly want to keep guns in the hands of my fellow Alaskans who's use them responsibly. I know all kinds of people who like to collect fire arms, people that like to go hunting, people that go to the range for fun, and even people who just like to have one in their car when they go out at night. All very good people. My girlfriend recently said she wants to get education on how to properly handle a gun and I fully support her. We can all co-exist. Not all gun owners are bad 

True, people can co exist, but guns and people have been incompatible for a few hundred years already. Stricter gun laws will possibly lower incidents of shootings, but we're never going to end the problem until one of us ceases to exist. All of our efforts are merely bandaids on an already severed head and there's lots of blood to soak up these days.

I just fear that if guns are harder to get, then only the out laws are going to have guns. Might as well just keep the good people armed at this point. 

Depends on what you mean by "harder to get."

I find it absolutely outrageous that any person in this country who wants to operate a motor vehicle has to go through a basic training class, a written test, be placed on a provisional period, pass another written test, and a physical driving test to do so and no one bats an eye.  But mention you want to do the same type of process with guns and oh my lord it's the end of the free fucking world.

Tons of people are killed each year in cars. You have to be 18 to buy a gun. Driving and owning a car is not a constitutionally protected right.

We've been over this a lot in this thread. Driving cars and the regulations that apply are not comparable to gun ownership in this country. 

And apparently you're still missing the point.  When did I say anything that infringed upon the 2nd Amendment rights of the people?  I didn't.  Nothing I said would keep anyone who legally wanted to own a gun from owning a gun.  You wouldn't want someone driving a car who isn't trained properly on how to drive and who doesn't understand the rules of the road.  Just asking for better regulations and licensing.
The right is so hell-bent on notions of a "strong vetting process" except for when it comes to muh gunz.

I agree with that. I'd be behind a mandatory firearms training and/or safety course before you can legally purchase a gun. It's not infringing on anyone's right to own one, unless you prove that you're unsafe.

What about age restrictions on usage?

CM189191

Michigan Rep. Mike Bishop (R) tells WWJ Newsradio 950  

“He had a rifle that was clearly meant for the job of taking people out, multiple casualties, and he had several rounds and magazines that he kept unloading and reloading.”

That's impossible.  I have been informed on many occasions that guns are strictly for game hunting and target practice. 

ponytd

tbergs said:

ponytd said:

HesCalledDyer said:

dudeman said:

HesCalledDyer said:

riley540 said:

tbergs said:

riley540 said:

New to this conversation  

i grew up in Anchorage Alaska. Now I, myself have shot guns and everything, but have no desire to ever own one, but I will say that I grew up around a lot of responsible gun owners. Growing up, I was taught how to safely handle a gun instead of being taught to fear a gun. I understand the outrage because bad people have easy access to guns, and it needs to stop. But I also full heatedly want to keep guns in the hands of my fellow Alaskans who's use them responsibly. I know all kinds of people who like to collect fire arms, people that like to go hunting, people that go to the range for fun, and even people who just like to have one in their car when they go out at night. All very good people. My girlfriend recently said she wants to get education on how to properly handle a gun and I fully support her. We can all co-exist. Not all gun owners are bad 

True, people can co exist, but guns and people have been incompatible for a few hundred years already. Stricter gun laws will possibly lower incidents of shootings, but we're never going to end the problem until one of us ceases to exist. All of our efforts are merely bandaids on an already severed head and there's lots of blood to soak up these days.

I just fear that if guns are harder to get, then only the out laws are going to have guns. Might as well just keep the good people armed at this point. 

Depends on what you mean by "harder to get."

I find it absolutely outrageous that any person in this country who wants to operate a motor vehicle has to go through a basic training class, a written test, be placed on a provisional period, pass another written test, and a physical driving test to do so and no one bats an eye.  But mention you want to do the same type of process with guns and oh my lord it's the end of the free fucking world.

Tons of people are killed each year in cars. You have to be 18 to buy a gun. Driving and owning a car is not a constitutionally protected right.

We've been over this a lot in this thread. Driving cars and the regulations that apply are not comparable to gun ownership in this country. 

And apparently you're still missing the point.  When did I say anything that infringed upon the 2nd Amendment rights of the people?  I didn't.  Nothing I said would keep anyone who legally wanted to own a gun from owning a gun.  You wouldn't want someone driving a car who isn't trained properly on how to drive and who doesn't understand the rules of the road.  Just asking for better regulations and licensing.
The right is so hell-bent on notions of a "strong vetting process" except for when it comes to muh gunz.

I agree with that. I'd be behind a mandatory firearms training and/or safety course before you can legally purchase a gun. It's not infringing on anyone's right to own one, unless you prove that you're unsafe.

What about age restrictions on usage?

For buying a gun? they can be kept the same as they are now.  Here in TN, you have to be 18 to purchase a shotgun or hunting rifle, but 21 for handguns. If you're under whatever age is set, but like to go hunting, currently you can't legally purchase a gun, but you have to pass a hunter safety course before you can go and have to have a hunting license. Wouldn't be much of a change for that, except you'd throw in a gun safety course with that hunting safety course (although many incorporate that in there already) for children.

CM189191

Gern Blansten said:

holy shit the shooter's facebook profile is all Bernie Sanders

This just in: Citizen exercises second amendment rights to protect themselves from government tyranny.  GOP reportedly confused.

dignin

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

holy shit the shooter's facebook profile is all Bernie Sanders

Not a surprise.  First it was Fox news creating haters and eliminating rational discussion and then MSNBC took over.   

Fox News + MSNBC + stupid gun laws + social media = crazy people killing others.  

Its awful.  No discussion, just hate.  All "my team vs your team".  Its either a win or a loss, no more win-wins.  I wonder if anywhere on that facebook had him praising kathy Griffin.....