America's Gun Violence
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Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.htmlIt's a hopeless situation...0 -
Depending on the marijuana charges. If he was a pot smoker, he shouldn't have had guns. I know that law enforcement doesn't investigate that i.e; I don't know of any states that conduct drug tests before someone can buy a gun. It is specifically asked on the 4473 form but it is probably pretty easy to lie about since no one checks.tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
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And while we're at it, gun sales hit a record high in May. Seems we're living in fear these days.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-record-america-arms-itself-necessary-steps-to-defend-selves/article/2624952
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Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.tbergs said:
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCWHalifax2TheMax said:
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.tbergs said:
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
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I asked because a news article I read stated that he didn't have a CCW permit. As such did he break the law prior to carrying his gun inside and shooting those folks?ponytd said:
There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCWHalifax2TheMax said:
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.tbergs said:
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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If he didn't have one, the only time you can open carry in Florida is when you are hunting, fishing or camping or returning from those activities. If he didn't have a permit, he was breaking the law by carrying it into that business. A lot of business have rules that prohibit guns inside and you have to follow those rules or you can be fined/arrested/lose your CCW.Halifax2TheMax said:
I asked because a news article I read stated that he didn't have a CCW permit. As such did he break the law prior to carrying his gun inside and shooting those folks?ponytd said:
There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCWHalifax2TheMax said:
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.tbergs said:
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
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I just thought it was odd that the article stated that he didn't have a CCW as if that was relevant somehow? Maybe it is, I don't know. But thanks for the info.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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He broke the law by murdering a bunch of people. Whether he was breaking the law on the way to the scene of the crime is pretty insignificant.
If his unlawful conduct months or years ago had resulted in his loss of gun rights, maybe yesterday's events could have been avoided.
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This seems kind of crazy when people who drink alcohol are allowed to have guns, even though booze and guns are one of the most dangerous combos possible.dudeman said:
Depending on the marijuana charges. If he was a pot smoker, he shouldn't have had guns. I know that law enforcement doesn't investigate that i.e; I don't know of any states that conduct drug tests before someone can buy a gun. It is specifically asked on the 4473 form but it is probably pretty easy to lie about since no one checks.tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
Maybe it's time for that to change?
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I asked because a news article I read stated that he didn't have a CCW permit. As such did he break the law prior to carrying his gun inside and shooting those folks?ponytd said:
There are 10 states that do not require a CCW permit, but they do have restrictions. You generally have to have a permit to open carry and even then, there are some states, like Florida, that ban open carry altogether even if you have a CCWHalifax2TheMax said:
Do you know that? Because in my mind if your legal, concealed carry, your allowed, licensed, to carry but it means you conceal, lawfully. If you're not licensed, then you openly carry. Strapped to your hip, or openly in your hand. The whole point of the stupid law, is, only those law abiders will get the jump. But according to the previous poster, every American possesses 5 firearms but a smaller percentage actually do. So, stockpile away, Hillary's coming for your guns.tbergs said:
No, you just can't carry a concealed firearm. You can still own it and bring it in your trunk any where you want. He wasn't concealing anything when he went to shoot those people.Halifax2TheMax said:
Does not having a conceal carry permit make you a criminal?tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Drinking alcohol is legal and smoking marijuana is not. Even for states that have legalized pot for recreational use, it's still in violation of federal law. That's beside the point though.PJ_Soul said:
This seems kind of crazy when people who drink alcohol are allowed to have guns, even though booze and guns are one of the most dangerous combos possible.dudeman said:
Depending on the marijuana charges. If he was a pot smoker, he shouldn't have had guns. I know that law enforcement doesn't investigate that i.e; I don't know of any states that conduct drug tests before someone can buy a gun. It is specifically asked on the 4473 form but it is probably pretty easy to lie about since no one checks.tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
Maybe it's time for that to change?
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Yes, that is besides the point I was making. At any rate, a lot of things are illegal, and those who break laws are often still allowed to have guns.dudeman said:
Drinking alcohol is legal and smoking marijuana is not. Even for states that have legalized pot for recreational use, it's still in violation of federal law. That's beside the point though.PJ_Soul said:
This seems kind of crazy when people who drink alcohol are allowed to have guns, even though booze and guns are one of the most dangerous combos possible.dudeman said:
Depending on the marijuana charges. If he was a pot smoker, he shouldn't have had guns. I know that law enforcement doesn't investigate that i.e; I don't know of any states that conduct drug tests before someone can buy a gun. It is specifically asked on the 4473 form but it is probably pretty easy to lie about since no one checks.tbergs said:A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
Maybe it's time for that to change?
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Unless someone is convicted of a felony. Domestic violence, restraining orders, being forcibly committed to a mental institution, renouncing US citizenship, dishonorable discharge from the military, illegal citizenship or on drugs (including marijuana) are the current disqualifiers.
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Like what? And for clarification, I'm pro 2nd amendment, but also for more restrictions. I know criminals will find a way to get a gun, but we've got to come up with more ways to restrict them from obtaining themdudeman said:Unless someone is convicted of a felony. Domestic violence, restraining orders, being forcibly committed to a mental institution, renouncing US citizenship, dishonorable discharge from the military, illegal citizenship or on drugs (including marijuana) are the current disqualifiers.
There should be more.
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I wouldn't have a problem with alcoholism being addressed with regard to guns. If someone is dependent on any mood altering substance, they probably shouldn't be armed.
I'd like all sales to go through an FFL with a $10.00 cap on the transfer fee. (Here is how you get Universal Background checks without the loopholes and bullshit).
Proof of training and proficiency requirements.
Drug convictions, even misdemeanors should preclude one from owning firearms.
If these additions, (as well as enforcing existing laws), could be made without legislators pushing agendas and politicizing the issue further, it is my opinion that we could keep guns out the hands those most likely to commit crimes with them.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Wanted to add that I don't think anything mentioned above would qualify as infringement on the right to keep and bear arms. None of those ideas are punitive in nature and no particular group or segment of law abiding society is singled out.
Except for the part about alcoholism, which only takes current laws a little further. Most people are aware of the complicated nature of alcoholism and the effect that it can have on families and relationships. Adding firearms to that environment is a bad idea for obvious reasons.Post edited by dudeman onIf hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
I'd agree with most of those. But let's say, you get busted with a couple of joints and get just a misdemeanor. Should you never be able to buy a gun? I don't know too many people who smoke pot who would go on a shooting rampage. I guess it comes down to, do you make broad rules or lots of specific ones?dudeman said:I wouldn't have a problem with alcoholism being addressed with regard to guns. If someone is dependent on any mood altering substance, they probably shouldn't be armed.
I'd like all sales to go through an FFL with a $10.00 cap on the transfer fee. (Here is how you get Universal Background checks without the loopholes and bullshit).
Proof of training and proficiency requirements.
Drug convictions, even misdemeanors should preclude one from owning firearms.
If these additions, (as well as enforcing existing laws), could be made without legislators pushing agendas and politicizing the issue further, it is my opinion that we could keep guns out the hands those most likely to commit crimes with them.
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Whats the appropriate penalty here?:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mom-arrested-after-3-year-old-shoots-2-year-old-brother/
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