America's Gun Violence

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,235
    dignin said:
    unsung said:


    I am on it.
    Looking for where this picture was photo-shopped. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    Guns don't  kill people.....

    Gun owners kill people

    8 killed in Mississippi shootings
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    It doesn't appear as though the aggressor should have even had a gun after reading about his previous criminal record. 

    What a shame.  Hope the survivors of the victims can get past this. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    Bentleyspop said:
    Guns don't  kill people.....

    Gun owners kill people

    8 killed in Mississippi shootings
    I also don't think that many, if any gun rights supporters would advocate for this guys right to bear arms considering his violent past.

    Nice dig at gun owners though.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    Watced 'Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA" last night, simultaneously feeling terrible sadness and overwhelming anger and frustration. It's terrifying the power they hold and their determination to put their 'right to bear arms' above all else. Seeing the interviews with Sandy Hook parents and Obama's response to that horrific event was heartbreaking
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    edited May 2017
    The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.

    I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be. 

    They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:
    The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.

    I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be. 

    They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
    The "good" you described doesn't count for shit to someone who doesn't care about guns.
    Do they feed hungry people?
    Do they help sick people?
    Help the elderly?
    Do they help kids to build a better life? 

    Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160


    rgambs said:
    dudeman said:
    The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.

    I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be. 

    They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
    The "good" you described doesn't count for shit to someone who doesn't care about guns.
    Do they feed hungry people?
    Do they help sick people?
    Help the elderly?
    Do they help kids to build a better life? 

    Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
    Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, pro, anti or ambivalent. 
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:


    rgambs said:
    dudeman said:
    The NRA certainly has an agenda, just like every other group in Washington. They also do a lot of good. Gun safety programs, training courses and fighting to preserve the right to keep and bear arms for law abiding citizens to name a few.

    I am by no means a defender of everything NRA but they are not the completely evil organization that Bloomberg, Hollywood and many leftists make them out to be. 

    They're only a little evil with some good sprinkled on top.
    The "good" you described doesn't count for shit to someone who doesn't care about guns.
    Do they feed hungry people?
    Do they help sick people?
    Help the elderly?
    Do they help kids to build a better life? 

    Building your own brand is not "doing good", don't try to kid yourself.
    Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, pro, anti or ambivalent. 
    I mean, it's better than not doing so, but it's not exactly something that qualifies as a humanitarian endeavour.  Promoting gun safety and providing training is good for everyone, but it's best for the NRA.
    I'm struggling to think of the great luminary figure that said, "feed the children, take care of your elders, make peace, and for goodness' sake, provide gun safety training".
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    Did anyone claim that the NRA is a humanitarian organization? I must have missed that part. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    dudeman said:
    Did anyone claim that the NRA is a humanitarian organization? I must have missed that part. 
    No. I think it's pretty clear what the NRA's purpose is, to promote gun ownership and fight legislation that puts any type of restrictions on said ownership. Defending the NRA might as well be as worthy as supporting big oil, coal mining and military spending. The little they do to support a better world doesn't even come close to outweighing the negatives they create. It's more about trying to keep their conscience clean and a side project they can use to detract negative press.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    They absolutely have an agenda, just like everyone else in Washington. Some of what they do could probably be perceived as nefarious. 

    However, they stand up for the rights of law-abiding citizens. I don't see a negative there. The right to bear arms applies to you too. (Provided that you aren't exempt due to felony convictions, restraining orders, drug addiction, domestic violence, dishonorable discharge from the military or mental illness.)

    Also, some of the legislation they have opposed would have made many people "criminals" due to shady, back door pieces of legislation added to otherwise sensible bills. The draft of the Universal Background Check bill was ridiculous with loopholes and language that made it difficult to take seriously. 

    For the record, I think universal background checks and minimum training and proficiency requirements are a great idea, so please don't lump me in with the "gun nuts" who oppose such things.

    I just don't want to spend 20 years in prison for taking someone to the range and shooting a gun that they brought without calling the police to conduct a background check on me before I pick it up. I don't think that people who visit gun owners in their own homes should have to have a background check before they can go inside is a step in the right direction either. 
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    Guns  don't kill people.....

    Gun owners kill people

    Orlando Shooting: Multiple Fatalities Reported After Gunfire Erupts at Business
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    Bentleyspop said:
    Guns  don't kill people.....

    Gun owners kill people

    Orlando Shooting: Multiple Fatalities Reported After Gunfire Erupts at Business
    Not that I'm a gun advocate, but I also didn't see any mention in there that he is a legal gun owner. Do we know anything about this guy yet to jump to conclusions?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    Jumping to conclusions about gun owners and their inevitable failings is the de facto response here on the train. 

    Welcome aboard! 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,559
    dudeman said:
    Jumping to conclusions about gun owners and their inevitable failings is the de facto response here on the train. 

    Welcome aboard! 
    I don't know many details, but I'd file this under gun owner failings. 
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    From what I have read, this guy had a previous record of violent behavior and drug use. The asshole should not have had access to guns. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,559
    dudeman said:
    From what I have read, this guy had a previous record of violent behavior and drug use. The asshole should not have had access to guns. 
    I agree. It should be significantly harder for people to get guns. 
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,160
    Especially people who have demonstrated violent tendencies, drug use and mental instability. What makes it worse is that this guy had legal trouble of this nature and more wasn't done to prevent him from getting his hands on a gun. 

    I'm all for gun rights for law abiding citizens but if you can't play by the rules, you forfeit that right. We should be able to do better in this day and age. 
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    edited June 2017
    A little but if background on the Orlando shooter. No mention of how he got the gun yet. Former military with some minor issues in his past, but nothing major that would have prohibited legal gun ownership.

    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orlando-workplace-shooting/os-john-robert-neumann-shooting-suspect-20170605-story.html
    It's a hopeless situation...
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