America's Gun Violence

vaggar99

to own a hand gun means you are willing to kill. not me. and don't give me the self defense argument. it rarely happens.

mcgruff10

tbergs said:

I don't see the need for a silencer at any time when using a gun. When you're at the range, you use hearing protection, eye wear, etc. and when you're hunting you never have any of those things because it isn't a necessity since you're not firing hundreds of rounds or around lots of gun fire.

A silencer may not necessarily correlate to more gun violence, but it could increase the likelihood that a shooter isn't as easily detected. With the current technology being implemented to detect the sound of gunshots in cities, it would be nice not to limit it's effectiveness. Why go down a road that could make it less noticeable and cause more of a problem.

do you realize how ridiculously easy it is to make a home made silencer? last time i checked home made silencers have not been used in any crimes.

JC29856

vaggar99 said:

to own a hand gun means you are willing to kill. not me. and don't give me the self defense argument. it rarely happens.

Then you must be totally against nuclear weapons.

vaggar99

JC29856 said:

vaggar99 said:

to own a hand gun means you are willing to kill. not me. and don't give me the self defense argument. it rarely happens.

Then you must be totally against nuclear weapons.

pretty much. i see where you are going with this. at this point, nukes exist just to exist. not the same as guns which are used all the time.

vaggar99

what i've heard so many times from gun owners: 'you steal from me, i will kill you'. that's not self defense.

tbergs

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

I don't see the need for a silencer at any time when using a gun. When you're at the range, you use hearing protection, eye wear, etc. and when you're hunting you never have any of those things because it isn't a necessity since you're not firing hundreds of rounds or around lots of gun fire.

A silencer may not necessarily correlate to more gun violence, but it could increase the likelihood that a shooter isn't as easily detected. With the current technology being implemented to detect the sound of gunshots in cities, it would be nice not to limit it's effectiveness. Why go down a road that could make it less noticeable and cause more of a problem.

do you realize how ridiculously easy it is to make a home made silencer? last time i checked home made silencers have not been used in any crimes.

Yep, but yet it's enough of a difficulty that people don't do it unless they are an extremist. It's also easy to make your own food, change your own oil, etc., but yet people still pay these industries huge amounts of money even though it's more expensive. People always default to convenience and simplicity. Let's not make something easier that could have a significant negative impact. I'll take my chances on someone making their own silencer any day.

mcgruff10

vaggar99 said:

what i've heard so many times from gun owners: 'you steal from me, i will kill you'. that's not self defense.

Nobody on this forum has ever said that.

mcgruff10

tbergs said:

mcgruff10 said:

tbergs said:

I don't see the need for a silencer at any time when using a gun. When you're at the range, you use hearing protection, eye wear, etc. and when you're hunting you never have any of those things because it isn't a necessity since you're not firing hundreds of rounds or around lots of gun fire.

A silencer may not necessarily correlate to more gun violence, but it could increase the likelihood that a shooter isn't as easily detected. With the current technology being implemented to detect the sound of gunshots in cities, it would be nice not to limit it's effectiveness. Why go down a road that could make it less noticeable and cause more of a problem.

do you realize how ridiculously easy it is to make a home made silencer? last time i checked home made silencers have not been used in any crimes.

Yep, but yet it's enough of a difficulty that people don't do it unless they are an extremist. It's also easy to make your own food, change your own oil, etc., but yet people still pay these industries huge amounts of money even though it's more expensive. People always default to convenience and simplicity. Let's not make something easier that could have a significant negative impact. I'll take my chances on someone making their own silencer any day.

Good points bud.

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

vaggar99 said:

what i've heard so many times from gun owners: 'you steal from me, i will kill you'. that's not self defense.

Nobody on this forum has ever said that.

Pretty sure Unsung has, in effect if not in letter.
Also, this forum is not a cross-section of America, and I definitely have neighbors who would shoot people over their stuff.

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

vaggar99 said:

what i've heard so many times from gun owners: 'you steal from me, i will kill you'. that's not self defense.

Nobody on this forum has ever said that.

Pretty sure Unsung has, in effect if not in letter.
Also, this forum is not a cross-section of America, and I definitely have neighbors who would shoot people over their stuff.

Interesting. Where exactly do you live?

rgambs

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

vaggar99 said:

what i've heard so many times from gun owners: 'you steal from me, i will kill you'. that's not self defense.

Nobody on this forum has ever said that.

Pretty sure Unsung has, in effect if not in letter.
Also, this forum is not a cross-section of America, and I definitely have neighbors who would shoot people over their stuff.

Interesting. Where exactly do you live?

Rural Ohio, southeast of Canton

mcgruff10

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

vaggar99 said:

what i've heard so many times from gun owners: 'you steal from me, i will kill you'. that's not self defense.

Nobody on this forum has ever said that.

Pretty sure Unsung has, in effect if not in letter.
Also, this forum is not a cross-section of America, and I definitely have neighbors who would shoot people over their stuff.

Interesting. Where exactly do you live?

Rural Ohio, southeast of Canton

Aaaaah got ya.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Scruffy...

With all due respect... somewhere in this forum I undertook the exercise to painfully break down the statistics and comparisons to illustrate the problem for what it is. Others have as well. The argument for legislation wins in a landslide. It's not even close. The ownership rates and deaths by gun per annum compared to every other country remotely developed leave the US in a league with countries like- here's where I'd use the term 'scary'- Mexico and Yemen.

The strongest arguments against sensible legislation are really weak. Well intended ideology developed by your founding fathers could not account for the evolution of weaponry and the corresponding usage of such weaponry after 100s of years. You can have home protection in the form of a long barrelled rifle without a large capacity magazine.

Repeating myself... the right to protect your family has never been threatened- your hobby has. Legislation like solidifying the licensing process nation wide, eliminating the sale of assault rifles, limiting the sale of handguns, registering weapons and restricting ammunition sales to registered owners, and restricting magazine capacities makes perfect sense for future generations if safety is paramount. Any legislation won't do anything for the present situation- there's no band aid solution for the problem your country experiences; however, stopping the introduction of weaponry and weaponry related items that consistently prove to be lethal for good, innocent people will have a chance of yielding positive results in time.

In my mind, legalizing silencers is a step in the wrong direction. But moving in the wrong direction is something your country seems unconcerned about- look at your presidential choice as evidence to such recklessness.

I understand the love of guns. I used to love shooting shit. I like taking photos now.

vaggar99

i guess Butthead will be leading the gun crazies out of Obama's tyranny with his silencer movement?

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Lol

Arguments stay the same.

Is anybody here not talking about limitations (types of weaponry available, magazine sizes, etc.)?

Silencers? Holy f**k, man. The inmates are running the asylum. They've even elected a madman to front the movement.

I fail to see what is so wrong about a silencer. It's scary to you like those military style weapons. Lots of hunters and pretty much everyone i've talked to on the range would love to have silencers.

Canadians have a much different take on guns than Americans. Even the pro-gun ones.

mcgruff10

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Lol

Arguments stay the same.

Is anybody here not talking about limitations (types of weaponry available, magazine sizes, etc.)?

Silencers? Holy f**k, man. The inmates are running the asylum. They've even elected a madman to front the movement.

I fail to see what is so wrong about a silencer. It's scary to you like those military style weapons. Lots of hunters and pretty much everyone i've talked to on the range would love to have silencers.

Canadians have a much different take on guns than Americans. Even the pro-gun ones.

Well no shit lol

PJPOWER

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I have hearing loss in my right ear from shooting rifles (the kind used to kill animals- not school children).

Not in a million years would I advocate for silencers, nor would any other current or ex hunter I know.

You evidently don't get out much these days. Almost all hunters I know (and I know a lot) advocate for suppressors. Don't lie, you have never hunted in your life.

F**k off.

I don't get out at all any more and I've said this several times. But I grew up hunting with my father in the interior of British Columbia.

We've got actual forests in BC. Lots of rivers and remote lakes for fishing too. It's not some dust bed like Texas where you pay a rich rancher for some canned hunt like you and your chums likely partake in- fresh off the gun range with your at-15s 'feeling awesome' and rather large.

But yah... back to the point... f**k off. Don't call bullshit on me. You don't even know me.

You make it easy to call bullshit with your evident lack of knowledge of the basic geography and people of Texas, lol. You get all triggered when someone makes a general statement about you and you go on to make a generalized comment about me and my "chums". You know nothing about hunting or hunters or Texas and make that evident post after post. As you said "you don't even know me".
On the lighter hand, I've been fortunate enough to have plenty of family owned land and have never participated in one of your stated "canned hunts". Those are usually payed for by the city folk that never get to see outside of the confines of their steel structures otherwise. People are capitalizing on them because they are willing to pay ridiculous $ to put a deer head on their wall...which I do not fully understand. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I love hunting and being outdoors, but "trophies" are a little strange to me and must require a different mentality than I possess.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I have hearing loss in my right ear from shooting rifles (the kind used to kill animals- not school children).

Not in a million years would I advocate for silencers, nor would any other current or ex hunter I know.

You evidently don't get out much these days. Almost all hunters I know (and I know a lot) advocate for suppressors. Don't lie, you have never hunted in your life.

F**k off.

I don't get out at all any more and I've said this several times. But I grew up hunting with my father in the interior of British Columbia.

We've got actual forests in BC. Lots of rivers and remote lakes for fishing too. It's not some dust bed like Texas where you pay a rich rancher for some canned hunt like you and your chums likely partake in- fresh off the gun range with your at-15s 'feeling awesome' and rather large.

But yah... back to the point... f**k off. Don't call bullshit on me. You don't even know me.

You make it easy to call bullshit with your evident lack of knowledge of the basic geography and people of Texas, lol. You get all triggered when someone makes a general statement about you and you go on to make a generalized comment about me and my "chums". You know nothing about hunting or hunters or Texas and make that evident post after post. As you said "you don't even know me".
On the lighter hand, I've been fortunate enough to have plenty of family owned land and have never participated in one of your stated "canned hunts". Those are usually payed for by the city folk that never get to see outside of the confines of their steel structures otherwise. People are capitalizing on them because they are willing to pay ridiculous $ to put a deer head on their wall...which I do not fully understand. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I love hunting and being outdoors, but "trophies" are a little strange to me and must require a different mentality than I possess.

I'm not an expert on Texas and never claimed to be. I also never claimed to be an expert on hunting. I responded to your very specific (not general) comment directed at me which, as already communicated, was false.

You called me a liar. That's far different from than poking fun at a stereotype- very personal and not generalized in any way. You've said it again here when you say I know nothing of hunting. I speculate I hunted before you were even born. And as I've said, the last time I hunted was in 1980 as an 8th grader. I don't miss it at all.

And I guess I do know something about Texas hunting, eh? You've gone at length to reflect on it in your response to me.

Your subscription to Fish and Stream coupled with your gun range pass don't make you the board expert, Friendo.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I have hearing loss in my right ear from shooting rifles (the kind used to kill animals- not school children).

Not in a million years would I advocate for silencers, nor would any other current or ex hunter I know.

You evidently don't get out much these days. Almost all hunters I know (and I know a lot) advocate for suppressors. Don't lie, you have never hunted in your life.

F**k off.

I don't get out at all any more and I've said this several times. But I grew up hunting with my father in the interior of British Columbia.

We've got actual forests in BC. Lots of rivers and remote lakes for fishing too. It's not some dust bed like Texas where you pay a rich rancher for some canned hunt like you and your chums likely partake in- fresh off the gun range with your at-15s 'feeling awesome' and rather large.

But yah... back to the point... f**k off. Don't call bullshit on me. You don't even know me.

You make it easy to call bullshit with your evident lack of knowledge of the basic geography and people of Texas, lol. You get all triggered when someone makes a general statement about you and you go on to make a generalized comment about me and my "chums". You know nothing about hunting or hunters or Texas and make that evident post after post. As you said "you don't even know me".
On the lighter hand, I've been fortunate enough to have plenty of family owned land and have never participated in one of your stated "canned hunts". Those are usually payed for by the city folk that never get to see outside of the confines of their steel structures otherwise. People are capitalizing on them because they are willing to pay ridiculous $ to put a deer head on their wall...which I do not fully understand. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I love hunting and being outdoors, but "trophies" are a little strange to me and must require a different mentality than I possess.

I'm not an expert on Texas and never claimed to be. I also never claimed to be an expert on hunting. I responded to your very specific (not general) comment directed at me which, as already communicated, was false.

You called me a liar. That's far different from than poking fun at a stereotype- very personal and not generalized in any way. You've said it again here when you say I know nothing of hunting. I speculate I hunted before you were even born. And as I've said, the last time I hunted was in 1980 as an 8th grader. I don't miss it at all.

And I guess I do know something about Texas hunting, eh? You've gone at length to reflect on it in your response to me.

Your subscription to Fish and Stream coupled with your gun range pass don't make you the board expert, Friendo.

damn dirty, were you born in 1966?!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I have hearing loss in my right ear from shooting rifles (the kind used to kill animals- not school children).

Not in a million years would I advocate for silencers, nor would any other current or ex hunter I know.

You evidently don't get out much these days. Almost all hunters I know (and I know a lot) advocate for suppressors. Don't lie, you have never hunted in your life.

F**k off.

I don't get out at all any more and I've said this several times. But I grew up hunting with my father in the interior of British Columbia.

We've got actual forests in BC. Lots of rivers and remote lakes for fishing too. It's not some dust bed like Texas where you pay a rich rancher for some canned hunt like you and your chums likely partake in- fresh off the gun range with your at-15s 'feeling awesome' and rather large.

But yah... back to the point... f**k off. Don't call bullshit on me. You don't even know me.

You make it easy to call bullshit with your evident lack of knowledge of the basic geography and people of Texas, lol. You get all triggered when someone makes a general statement about you and you go on to make a generalized comment about me and my "chums". You know nothing about hunting or hunters or Texas and make that evident post after post. As you said "you don't even know me".
On the lighter hand, I've been fortunate enough to have plenty of family owned land and have never participated in one of your stated "canned hunts". Those are usually payed for by the city folk that never get to see outside of the confines of their steel structures otherwise. People are capitalizing on them because they are willing to pay ridiculous $ to put a deer head on their wall...which I do not fully understand. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. I love hunting and being outdoors, but "trophies" are a little strange to me and must require a different mentality than I possess.

I'm not an expert on Texas and never claimed to be. I also never claimed to be an expert on hunting. I responded to your very specific (not general) comment directed at me which, as already communicated, was false.

You called me a liar. That's far different from than poking fun at a stereotype- very personal and not generalized in any way. You've said it again here when you say I know nothing of hunting. I speculate I hunted before you were even born. And as I've said, the last time I hunted was in 1980 as an 8th grader. I don't miss it at all.

And I guess I do know something about Texas hunting, eh? You've gone at length to reflect on it in your response to me.

Your subscription to Fish and Stream coupled with your gun range pass don't make you the board expert, Friendo.

damn dirty, were you born in 1966?!

1967 lol

But I feel 15 (on this message board I probably come across as 15 sometimes too lol)!