America's Gun Violence

dudeman

I totally agree. We as a nation could do better.

Gern Blansten

http://abcnews.go.com/US/maryland-cop-mistook-plainclothes-officer-threat-fatal-shooting/story?id=37699834&nwltr=abcn_fb

good guy with a gun gets shot....sad

PJ_Soul

........... Of course the cop didn't intentionally fire at another cop. He intentionally fired at a black guy with a gun, who was a cop.

mickeyrat

Shame. All accounts are he was a good cop.

PJfanwillneverleave1

PJ_Soul said:

........... Of course the cop didn't intentionally fire at another cop. He intentionally fired at a black guy with a gun, who was a cop.

Prove it.

edit - if you were a lawyer and wanted to take this stance I mean.

PJ_Soul

Prove what? The witnesses said that he intentionally fired at the person killed, and he was black who was a cop.

I don't know, but I definitely DO wonder if this would have happened if everything had be exactly the same, except that the dead cop had been white. Would it have been a different outcome? We'll never know.... but just that the question comes to mind means something.

dudeman

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/14/concealed-weapon-owner-shoots-hatchet-wielding-attacker-in-wash-7-eleven/

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

Prove what? The witnesses said that he intentionally fired at the person killed, and he was black who was a cop.

I don't know, but I definitely DO wonder if this would have happened if everything had be exactly the same, except that the dead cop had been white. Would it have been a different outcome? We'll never know.... but just that the question comes to mind means something.

"but just that the question comes to mind means something"

Meaning that race is always a factor?

Whenever I hear a news story they make sure to use the "buzz" words like black male, Muslim, assault rifle, etc.

It's never just "a cop was shot by accidental fire". It's a white cop shot at a black cop"... Funny how that's programmed into our brains. Is it "racist" to report it without race? Serious question.

PJ_Soul

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

rssesq

stock up.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

Just google the term "cop wrongfully shoot white" and there are a bunch of stories. I've never even heard a one of them. So we both aren't aware of it.
I'm guessing the Zimmerman story got so much press because the media didn't know he was part Spanish judging by his name.

Again it's something that I've noticed. It seems to be a beacon when it's white on black but hardly a mention if it's vice versa.

I know we are veering off topic here. Should we move this somewhere else?

jeffbr

dudeman said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/14/concealed-weapon-owner-shoots-hatchet-wielding-attacker-in-wash-7-eleven/

This was great. It was all over the news here locally. Glad the ax wielding maniac isn't stealing any more oxygen.

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

Just google the term "cop wrongfully shoot white" and there are a bunch of stories. I've never even heard a one of them. So we both aren't aware of it.
I'm guessing the Zimmerman story got so much press because the media didn't know he was part Spanish judging by his name.

Again it's something that I've noticed. It seems to be a beacon when it's white on black but hardly a mention if it's vice versa.

I know we are veering off topic here. Should we move this somewhere else?

But if you look at the numbers in terms of racial demographics, cops kill unarmed black men (or armed, for that matter) at a very disproportionate rate.

tempo_n_groove

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

Just google the term "cop wrongfully shoot white" and there are a bunch of stories. I've never even heard a one of them. So we both aren't aware of it.
I'm guessing the Zimmerman story got so much press because the media didn't know he was part Spanish judging by his name.

Again it's something that I've noticed. It seems to be a beacon when it's white on black but hardly a mention if it's vice versa.

I know we are veering off topic here. Should we move this somewhere else?

But if you look at the numbers in terms of racial demographics, cops kill unarmed black men (or armed, for that matter) at a very disproportionate rate.

I thought that there were way more white homicides than black? I thought that's what the demographics were?

rgambs

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

Just google the term "cop wrongfully shoot white" and there are a bunch of stories. I've never even heard a one of them. So we both aren't aware of it.
I'm guessing the Zimmerman story got so much press because the media didn't know he was part Spanish judging by his name.

Again it's something that I've noticed. It seems to be a beacon when it's white on black but hardly a mention if it's vice versa.

I know we are veering off topic here. Should we move this somewhere else?

But if you look at the numbers in terms of racial demographics, cops kill unarmed black men (or armed, for that matter) at a very disproportionate rate.

I thought that there were way more white homicides than black? I thought that's what the demographics were?

Not if you look at the numbers in proportion to population.

tempo_n_groove

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

Just google the term "cop wrongfully shoot white" and there are a bunch of stories. I've never even heard a one of them. So we both aren't aware of it.
I'm guessing the Zimmerman story got so much press because the media didn't know he was part Spanish judging by his name.

Again it's something that I've noticed. It seems to be a beacon when it's white on black but hardly a mention if it's vice versa.

I know we are veering off topic here. Should we move this somewhere else?

But if you look at the numbers in terms of racial demographics, cops kill unarmed black men (or armed, for that matter) at a very disproportionate rate.

I thought that there were way more white homicides than black? I thought that's what the demographics were?

Not if you look at the numbers in proportion to population.

so if you place a multiplier on the numbers there are more wrongful black people being shot than wrongful whites being shot?

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

PJ_Soul said:

Of course it's not.

The only reason it (white cop vs black people) occurs to people is because it seems to keep happening. People simply respond to repetition and patterns.

Very true but white people are shot by white and black cops but no headlines about that or a black cop shooting a black person either. It's not news worthy because race isn't involved and it's not a hot button.

Just something I've noticed and was wondering others' opinions.

Is there an obvious pattern of white people being wrongfully shot by cops?? If there is, I'm not aware of it. If there were, I would imagine it would a part of discussion (i.e., cops are running around wrongfully shooting citizens, rather than cops wrongfully shooting black citizens).

Just google the term "cop wrongfully shoot white" and there are a bunch of stories. I've never even heard a one of them. So we both aren't aware of it.
I'm guessing the Zimmerman story got so much press because the media didn't know he was part Spanish judging by his name.

Again it's something that I've noticed. It seems to be a beacon when it's white on black but hardly a mention if it's vice versa.

I know we are veering off topic here. Should we move this somewhere else?

But if you look at the numbers in terms of racial demographics, cops kill unarmed black men (or armed, for that matter) at a very disproportionate rate.

I thought that there were way more white homicides than black? I thought that's what the demographics were?

Not if you look at the numbers in proportion to population.

so if you place a multiplier on the numbers there are more wrongful black people being shot than wrongful whites being shot?

As simply as possible, if there are 85 white men and 15 black men, then you'd think that about 85% of wrongful cop killings would be of white men, and 15% of them would be of black men, give or take. But that is not the case. The percentage of black men being wrongfully killed is much higher than 15%, and for white men much lower than 85%. Disproportionate. That is meaningful.

mickeyrat

Self-inflicted , but still........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/27/man-loses-leg-shooting-automatic-weapon-at-lawn-mower-packed-with-explosives/?tid=sm_fb