so if someone's 8 month old wins the lottery for a show, does that mean they have to attend the show? I mean, the person whose name is drawn has to be the one picking up tickets...
Are you even allowed to enter a PJ show WITHOUT a kid these days?
not sure...I think it's a requirement these days...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but by the end of the lottery if all of the shows are below 99%, nobody will get a 2nd choice pick, right? If a show drops below 99 that means that there are more first choice entries than available seats. The FAQ says the following:
'For each show we will randomly draw members who have made that show their #1 priority. If any tickets remain the system we'll randomly draw names of members who have chosen that show as their #2 priority, and so on until every ticket for a given show has been sold. Please keep in mind that not everyone can have their #1 priority.'
If all the fan club tickets are gone after the first choice drawing there won't be a second, right?
This is exactly what i was thinking. if the odds drop below 99%, that means anyone who did not put it as a first preference will be locked out. however, if the odds includes all preferences, then percentage would not be accurate at all.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but by the end of the lottery if all of the shows are below 99%, nobody will get a 2nd choice pick, right? If a show drops below 99 that means that there are more first choice entries than available seats. The FAQ says the following:
'For each show we will randomly draw members who have made that show their #1 priority. If any tickets remain the system we'll randomly draw names of members who have chosen that show as their #2 priority, and so on until every ticket for a given show has been sold. Please keep in mind that not everyone can have their #1 priority.'
If all the fan club tickets are gone after the first choice drawing there won't be a second, right?
This is exactly what i was thinking. if the odds drop below 99%, that means anyone who did not put it as a first preference will be locked out. however, if the odds includes all preferences, then percentage would not be accurate at all.
I didn't think they could make the lottery more confusing than it was before but I think this enhancement just made picking priorities even more stressful.
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I would guess that these odds include all choices/preferences and arent weighted, but thats just a guess, based on this line: - Each ticket option odds are calculated based on the number of entrants versus the number of tickets available.
I would guess that these odds include all choices/preferences and arent weighted, but thats just a guess, based on this line: - Each ticket option odds are calculated based on the number of entrants versus the number of tickets available.
i read that too. i guess it is impossible to know to really know how the percentage is calculated.
my thinking is that if all preferences are included in the percentage odds, then the percentage would not be correct for all entrants. For example, if the odds for GA show are 50% and if you have it as preference 1 and I have the same GA as preference 3, we both cannot have a 50/50 chance of getting tickets.
maybe i am missing something or not thinking about it in the right way…let me know if i'm off about something
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Hi, I'm new to the 10c so this is my first time with the lottery and all. I will be traveling to get to the shows I am interested in which are either Memphis or St. Louis. I only want to go to one show because of travel expenses, so I was worried about putting in for two shows. So I picked Memphis because it worked out better for me and I put reserved as choice 1 and GA as 2. After reading what you guys are saying with odds etc...would I have been better putting Reserved as choice 1 Memphis and Reserved as choice one for St.Louis? Is the second choice kind of a waste? I thought by putting both choice 1 and 2 for the same show I would have a better chance of tickets for that show. Sorry if this is not the place to ask these questions. You all just seemed to know the system well and I guess I'm looking for a little advice. Thanks so much.
Hi, I'm new to the 10c so this is my first time with the lottery and all. I will be traveling to get to the shows I am interested in which are either Memphis or St. Louis. I only want to go to one show because of travel expenses, so I was worried about putting in for two shows. So I picked Memphis because it worked out better for me and I put reserved as choice 1 and GA as 2. After reading what you guys are saying with odds etc...would I have been better putting Reserved as choice 1 Memphis and Reserved as choice one for St.Louis? Is the second choice kind of a waste? I thought by putting both choice 1 and 2 for the same show I would have a better chance of tickets for that show. Sorry if this is not the place to ask these questions. You all just seemed to know the system well and I guess I'm looking for a little advice. Thanks so much.
it is far more likely to get tickets by putting reserved for choice 1. while it is not impossible to get GA as a choice 2, with the demand of GA tickets, it is unlikely.
during last year's tour, i always put GA as choice 1 and Reserved as choice 2 simply because if i didn't get GA, it was more likely there would be choice 2 drawing for reserved than GA. i won GA for leg 1 (pitt) and leg 2 (okc), so i don't know what would have happened had i not.
this time around, i am doing denver reserved as choice 1 and st. louis reserved as choice 2. i live in denver, and don't want to risk losing out. and, going to stl works with my schedule, so if i get tickets i will go, if not, oh well.
i hope this helps making your choices.
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Hi, I'm new to the 10c so this is my first time with the lottery and all. I will be traveling to get to the shows I am interested in which are either Memphis or St. Louis. I only want to go to one show because of travel expenses, so I was worried about putting in for two shows. So I picked Memphis because it worked out better for me and I put reserved as choice 1 and GA as 2. After reading what you guys are saying with odds etc...would I have been better putting Reserved as choice 1 Memphis and Reserved as choice one for St.Louis? Is the second choice kind of a waste? I thought by putting both choice 1 and 2 for the same show I would have a better chance of tickets for that show. Sorry if this is not the place to ask these questions. You all just seemed to know the system well and I guess I'm looking for a little advice. Thanks so much.
If you only want to go to one show then only enter for one. If you put in for Memphis choice 1 and St Louis choice 2, there is a chance you will win both and your credit card will be charged for both shows. There is always a lot of stress around here during tour time but remember there will still be tickets on Ticketmaster and also extras on here after that or through a broker.
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Thanks for the advice! I picked Reserved because my husband really prefers a seat. I just worry if I put reserve for two different shows and actually won both I'd be in a bind! I see your point with putting GA as a second choice...pretty much a wash! But I'm probably better off just sticking with the one show. Hopefully I'll be lucky and get some good tickets. Thanks again, imagine how confusing this is to us newbies :-O
there will still be tickets on Ticketmaster and also extras on here after that or through a broker.
People really need to remember this. If you HAVE TO HAVE GA or you will just die, even if you dont get them in the lottery, you can find a single or two on here as friends who are initially excited bail. As far as reserved seats go, you can get tickets in the gen. sale or extras on here, especially in these markets.
and as dougfloyd said, if you can only afford one, you better only put in for one show. especially if it is because of expenses, because you will pay for both and not be able to transfer or refund. if money is tight, you;re honestly better off getting one or none and finding a ticket other ways.
So I was right then on just putting in for the one show, since I don't plan on going to more than that. I'm confused though, would I be better off just going through TM? So really no point in entering the lottery for Reserved seats. I just thought I'd be a little closer through 10c than TM. My last show was in 2006 through TM and in the nose bleed section so I was looking forward to having a chance at being closer and seeing the band better. But I have a very high member # which I just read on another thread said isn't good for getting good seats in reserved. Oh well, I'm in it now I'll see how it works out. Can't be any worse than section 277 row 22 was, but I still had a great time that night! It's PJ how could you not. Thanks again for the input I appreciate it.
It appears to me the only benefit of this feature is that it demonstrates which shows/options are the most popular factoring in all choices (including all levels of preference). It is not broken down by preference so it can't tell what your odds are if you, for example, listed Detroit GA as your number on priority.
Cincinnati, OH - GA Standing 98% Cincinnati, OH - Reserved Seating 63% St Louis, MO - GA Standing 69% St Louis, MO - Reserved Seating 99% Tulsa, OK - Reserved Seating 99% Tulsa, OK - GA Standing 99% Lincoln, NE - GA Standing 99% Lincoln, NE - Reserved Seating 99% Memphis, TN - GA Standing 99% Memphis, TN - Reserved Seating 99% Detroit, MI - Reserved Seating 99% Detroit, MI - GA Standing 32% Moline, IL - GA Standing 78% Moline, IL - Reserved Seating 65% St. Paul, MN - GA Standing 90% St. Paul, MN - Reserved Seating 99% Milwaukee, WI - GA Standing 72% Milwaukee, WI - Reserved Seating 99% Denver, CO - GA Standing 78% Denver, CO - Reserved Seating 94%
2003: 7/14 NJ ... 2006: 6/1 NJ, 6/3 NJ ... 2007: 8/5 IL ... 2008: 6/24 NY, 6/25 NY, 8/7 EV NJ ... 2009: 10/27 PA, 10/28 PA, 10/30 PA, 10/31 PA 2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD 2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
I think this is a snap shot for all entries. It can't be perfect but lets say you don't put in GA then Reserved for the same venue. If you but in multiple choices and no doubles, this is the chance you will be selected. That is what I am thinking.
So if you put in for GA Detroit you have 30% or so and if you put in for GA Memphis you are 99%. They can not figure in you second choice of a duplicate date.
So I was right then on just putting in for the one show, since I don't plan on going to more than that. I'm confused though, would I be better off just going through TM? So really no point in entering the lottery for Reserved seats. I just thought I'd be a little closer through 10c than TM. My last show was in 2006 through TM and in the nose bleed section so I was looking forward to having a chance at being closer and seeing the band better. But I have a very high member # which I just read on another thread said isn't good for getting good seats in reserved. Oh well, I'm in it now I'll see how it works out. Can't be any worse than section 277 row 22 was, but I still had a great time that night! It's PJ how could you not. Thanks again for the input I appreciate it.
All 10c tickets are better than TM tickets. 10c states that they reserve the best tickets for 10c members. I have a high number and saw 5 shows last year. I was very happy with all of my 10c tickets.
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Cincinnati, OH - GA Standing 98% Cincinnati, OH - Reserved Seating 63% St Louis, MO - GA Standing 69% St Louis, MO - Reserved Seating 99% Tulsa, OK - Reserved Seating 99% Tulsa, OK - GA Standing 99% Lincoln, NE - GA Standing 99% Lincoln, NE - Reserved Seating 99% Memphis, TN - GA Standing 99% Memphis, TN - Reserved Seating 99% Detroit, MI - Reserved Seating 99% Detroit, MI - GA Standing 32% Moline, IL - GA Standing 78% Moline, IL - Reserved Seating 65% St. Paul, MN - GA Standing 90% St. Paul, MN - Reserved Seating 99% Milwaukee, WI - GA Standing 72% Milwaukee, WI - Reserved Seating 99% Denver, CO - GA Standing 78% Denver, CO - Reserved Seating 94%
As of 7:42 AM EST 5/22/14:
Cincinnati, OH - GA Standing 88% Cincinnati, OH - Reserved Seating 58% St Louis, MO - GA Standing 60% St Louis, MO - Reserved Seating 99% Tulsa, OK - Reserved Seating 99% Tulsa, OK - GA Standing 94% Lincoln, NE - GA Standing 99% Lincoln, NE - Reserved Seating 99% Memphis, TN - GA Standing 99% Memphis, TN - Reserved Seating 99% Detroit, MI - Reserved Seating 99% Detroit, MI - GA Standing 28% Moline, IL - GA Standing 65% Moline, IL - Reserved Seating 54% St. Paul, MN - GA Standing 78% St. Paul, MN - Reserved Seating 99% Milwaukee, WI - GA Standing 61% Milwaukee, WI - Reserved Seating 86% Denver, CO - GA Standing 65% Denver, CO - Reserved Seating 79%
2003: 7/14 NJ ... 2006: 6/1 NJ, 6/3 NJ ... 2007: 8/5 IL ... 2008: 6/24 NY, 6/25 NY, 8/7 EV NJ ... 2009: 10/27 PA, 10/28 PA, 10/30 PA, 10/31 PA 2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD 2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
I wonder what the typical odds were for past tours? If what is happening in Moline and Detroit is the norm or are they really that hot of sellers..
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so if someone's 8 month old wins the lottery for a show, does that mean they have to attend the show? I mean, the person whose name is drawn has to be the one picking up tickets...
Are you even allowed to enter a PJ show WITHOUT a kid these days?
not sure...I think it's a requirement these days...
only if u want a tambourine...otherwise leave your kid at home
If you want to make it less stressful, follow my lead.
Put in for the shows you want to attend. Stay the hell away from the ticket page. Check your email next Wednesday. Either you have tickets or you don't.
It may not help w/ your planning, but it'll keep you from thinking about it.
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if the odds drop below 99%, that means anyone who did not put it as a first preference will be locked out. however, if the odds includes all preferences, then percentage would not be accurate at all.
Exactly. Unfortunately, I think there's going to be many, many cases (and thus a lot of bitching on this board) of people asking: "I had (insert show) as my first preference... how did I not get it and somebody that had it as their 5th preference did?" I just can't help but think this is going to happen.
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Right now you would choose Reserved at Detroit, but GA at Cincinatti.
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I didn't think they could make the lottery more confusing than it was before but I think this enhancement just made picking priorities even more stressful.
2000 - Noblesville
2010 - Noblesville
2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
- Each ticket option odds are calculated based on the number of entrants versus the number of tickets available.
my thinking is that if all preferences are included in the percentage odds, then the percentage would not be correct for all entrants. For example, if the odds for GA show are 50% and if you have it as preference 1 and I have the same GA as preference 3, we both cannot have a 50/50 chance of getting tickets.
maybe i am missing something or not thinking about it in the right way…let me know if i'm off about something
during last year's tour, i always put GA as choice 1 and Reserved as choice 2 simply because if i didn't get GA, it was more likely there would be choice 2 drawing for reserved than GA. i won GA for leg 1 (pitt) and leg 2 (okc), so i don't know what would have happened had i not.
this time around, i am doing denver reserved as choice 1 and st. louis reserved as choice 2. i live in denver, and don't want to risk losing out. and, going to stl works with my schedule, so if i get tickets i will go, if not, oh well.
i hope this helps making your choices.
If they wanted to be helpful, the number of actual tickets in each area and then the number of entries
2000 - Noblesville
2010 - Noblesville
2011 - EV solo St Louis, PJ20 Alpine Valley
2012 - San Fran (Oracle)
2013 - Wrigley, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincy, St Louis, Detroit
2016 - Lexington, Wrigley
2018 - Wrigley
2022 - Nashville, St Louis
and as dougfloyd said, if you can only afford one, you better only put in for one show. especially if it is because of expenses, because you will pay for both and not be able to transfer or refund. if money is tight, you;re honestly better off getting one or none and finding a ticket other ways.
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Cincinnati, OH - GA Standing 98%
Cincinnati, OH - Reserved Seating 63%
St Louis, MO - GA Standing 69%
St Louis, MO - Reserved Seating 99%
Tulsa, OK - Reserved Seating 99%
Tulsa, OK - GA Standing 99%
Lincoln, NE - GA Standing 99%
Lincoln, NE - Reserved Seating 99%
Memphis, TN - GA Standing 99%
Memphis, TN - Reserved Seating 99%
Detroit, MI - Reserved Seating 99%
Detroit, MI - GA Standing 32%
Moline, IL - GA Standing 78%
Moline, IL - Reserved Seating 65%
St. Paul, MN - GA Standing 90%
St. Paul, MN - Reserved Seating 99%
Milwaukee, WI - GA Standing 72%
Milwaukee, WI - Reserved Seating 99%
Denver, CO - GA Standing 78%
Denver, CO - Reserved Seating 94%
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
also, i just cancelled both my ga and reserved entries and the ga went down to 31% right away :-?
It can't be perfect but lets say you don't put in GA then Reserved for the same venue.
If you but in multiple choices and no doubles, this is the chance you will be selected.
That is what I am thinking.
So if you put in for GA Detroit you have 30% or so and if you put in for GA Memphis you are 99%.
They can not figure in you second choice of a duplicate date.
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4/7/17 RRHOF New York City
9/02/18 Fenway 1 9/04/2018 Fenway 2
9/18/21 Asbury Park
9/11/22 New York City
9/14/22 Camden
Cincinnati, OH - GA Standing 88%
Cincinnati, OH - Reserved Seating 58%
St Louis, MO - GA Standing 60%
St Louis, MO - Reserved Seating 99%
Tulsa, OK - Reserved Seating 99%
Tulsa, OK - GA Standing 94%
Lincoln, NE - GA Standing 99%
Lincoln, NE - Reserved Seating 99%
Memphis, TN - GA Standing 99%
Memphis, TN - Reserved Seating 99%
Detroit, MI - Reserved Seating 99%
Detroit, MI - GA Standing 28%
Moline, IL - GA Standing 65%
Moline, IL - Reserved Seating 54%
St. Paul, MN - GA Standing 78%
St. Paul, MN - Reserved Seating 99%
Milwaukee, WI - GA Standing 61%
Milwaukee, WI - Reserved Seating 86%
Denver, CO - GA Standing 65%
Denver, CO - Reserved Seating 79%
2010: 5/20 NY, 5/21 NY ... 2011: 6/21 EV NY, 9/3 WI, 9/4 WI ... 2012: 9/2 PA, 9/22 GA ... 2013: 10/18 NY, 10/19 NY, 10/21 PA, 10/22 PA, 10/27 MD
2015: 9/23 NY, 9/26 NY ... 2016: 4/28 PA, 4/29 PA, 5/1 NY, 5/2 NY, 6/11 TN, 8/7 MA, 11/4 TOTD PA, 11/5 TOTD PA ... 2018: 8/10 WA ---- http://imgur.com/a/nk0s7
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Put in for the shows you want to attend. Stay the hell away from the ticket page. Check your email next Wednesday. Either you have tickets or you don't.
It may not help w/ your planning, but it'll keep you from thinking about it.
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2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5