Ten Club/Newbury Comics RSD Coke Bottle Clear Vinyl Ten LP in Shop.

PJ_Soul

the tiki bomb said:

Zod said:

How much money do they get from it? The records are 29.99 each and there are 2000. That's only 60 grand. How much do the records cost to make?

If they were in it for the money you would think they would consider a larger run. EPIC owns the Ten album right? So the guys are only making royalties and whatever their contractual share per album was? I have to imagine what the band gets from this is chump change compared to what they get for playing a show or releasing a new album under their own label.

I may be naive, but I continue to believe this band is motivated by more than money.

Of course they are! They pay $1000 a minute to play past curfews, and play past the curfew by a lot every singe night. Supposedly, they paid something like $70,000 in fines just at a single venue during the last tour so that the fans could get a typical 3+ hour Pearl Jam show, and they go past curfew at every venue they play that has a curfew as far as I can tell. So NO, this band is not motivated primarily by money, and I think that those who suggest that are just.... I don't even know.... just not even thinking at all I guess, and running on pure knee jerk emotion.

FR181798

Looks like Newbury were really naive letting people buy 5. I wouldnt be surprised if they have seen how many are on ebay and cut peoples orders down.

TinAnt

the tiki bomb said:

Zod said:

How much money do they get from it? The records are 29.99 each and there are 2000. That's only 60 grand. How much do the records cost to make?

If they were in it for the money you would think they would consider a larger run. EPIC owns the Ten album right? So the guys are only making royalties and whatever their contractual share per album was? I have to imagine what the band gets from this is chump change compared to what they get for playing a show or releasing a new album under their own label.

I may be naive, but I continue to believe this band is motivated by more than money.

I believed this for a long time, but I have seen an evolution in their language and choices in the last few years. I'm not going to run down every example, but more and more I am thinking to myself "this seems like a money grab" or "this would not have happened 15 years ago". It was about the music, and a lot of cool stuff came into existence because of the need to promote the music. But this one, I don't know what it is about but it is not music. I am all for dudes going out and making the best of a situation, but don't you dare turn around and preach that its a bad thing after the wool is over our eyes.

AndySlash

so newbury oversold these? or did they decide to cap at 2 vs 5 after the fact?

SVRDhand13

I must admit... I'm more excited by the 100 copy Strokes Is This It? release.

At least I didn't have that one already on vinyl haha

Plus gold and blue split vinyl looks so damn cool, especially considering the album cover.

HollisBrown

buck502000 said:

Just last November......

Judd Apatow seems to be everywhere. The guys gotta go get a real job so he doesn't have time to get in every picture.

MedozK

SVRDhand13 said:

I must admit... I'm more excited by the 100 copy Strokes Is This It? release.

At least I didn't have that one already on vinyl haha

Plus gold and blue split vinyl looks so damn cool, especially considering the album cover.

Yea. I'm getting this one also.. Sucker for cool ass vinyl.

PJ_Soul

TinAnt said:

the tiki bomb said:

Zod said:

How much money do they get from it? The records are 29.99 each and there are 2000. That's only 60 grand. How much do the records cost to make?

If they were in it for the money you would think they would consider a larger run. EPIC owns the Ten album right? So the guys are only making royalties and whatever their contractual share per album was? I have to imagine what the band gets from this is chump change compared to what they get for playing a show or releasing a new album under their own label.

I may be naive, but I continue to believe this band is motivated by more than money.

I believed this for a long time, but I have seen an evolution in their language and choices in the last few years. I'm not going to run down every example, but more and more I am thinking to myself "this seems like a money grab" or "this would not have happened 15 years ago". It was about the music, and a lot of cool stuff came into existence because of the need to promote the music. But this one, I don't know what it is about but it is not music. I am all for dudes going out and making the best of a situation, but don't you dare turn around and preach that its a bad thing after the wool is over our eyes.

I think whether or not this would have happened 15 years ago (no - there wasn't even a market for vinyl 15 years ago really) and whether or not PJ's about money grabs are two very separate issues. This whole thing is clearly not a money grab. What are they getting out of it? Maybe $15,000?? Come on. Limited releases are never money grabs. If they are, then selling anything ever is a money grab.

scurtis

FR181798 said:

Looks like Newbury were really naive letting people buy 5. I wouldnt be surprised if they have seen how many are on ebay and cut peoples orders down.

I'm guessing they oversold, and cut back on the ppl who had multiple orders. If they are allowing sales of 5 at a time, I doubt they care too much what goes on in the secondary market.

jerparker20

This whole "money grab" thing is so stupid. Let's do some math using what is considered the typical artist payout per album sold. On average, an artist may receive in the neighborhood of 10-20% of the sale of an album (depending on what they negotiated in their recording contract). So with this "money grab" using a 20% cut let's see how much money PJ stuffed in their pockets: 2000 units sold at $29.99 a pop = $59,980. Now take 20% from that = $11,996. Now divide that by 5 (for each band member)= $2,399.20 to each member. This doesn't account for the cut the producer gets as a royalty, or management, etc... I'm estimating Eddie's take for this "money grab" netted him somewhere around $400 if he's lucky.

Anyone with any knowledge of the music industry knows the real money is in touring, not selling 2000 copies of a record @ $29.99.

It's kinda sad to see adults acting like grade schoolers because they didn't get something. Kind of wishing I had bought five of these now instead of one.

Release EV

Whatever

PJ_Soul

Release EV said:

To PJ_Soul, quite vocal on this thread even against people being pissed off for not getting one. ... but of course u ordered 3 so why not dig a little further. Just saying

Pardon? I didn't order 3. I ordered one from 10C.

jervin007

Newbury is now cutting back orders? This is hilarious!

Release EV

Whatever dude. I misread. Just the people patronizing ones that didn't get it by saying chill out etc are usually the ones with it. Pretty easy to say in that case. All I was saying is no doubt usa business day has to be release time but I am sure there is earlier or later parts of the day that could accommodate more people. Apologies for misquoting, carry on

TinAnt

jerparker20 said:

This whole "money grab" thing is so stupid. Let's do some math using what is considered the typical artist payout per album sold. On average, an artist may receive in the neighborhood of 10-20% of the sale of an album (depending on what they negotiated in their recording contract). So with this "money grab" using a 20% cut let's see how much money PJ stuffed in their pockets: 2000 units sold at $29.99 a pop = $59,980. Now take 20% from that = $11,996. Now divide that by 5 (for each band member)= $2,399.20 to each member. This doesn't account for the cut the producer gets as a royalty, or management, etc... I'm estimating Eddie's take for this "money grab" netted him somewhere around $400 if he's lucky.

Anyone with any knowledge of the music industry knows the real money is in touring, not selling 2000 copies of a record @ $29.99.

It's kinda sad to see adults acting like grade schoolers because they didn't get something. Kind of wishing I had bought five of these now instead of one.

I didn't say this instance was a money grab, but in past instances I have thought it and the machine that is Pearl Jam has certainly evolved into a giant cash register. Separately, sure they don't mean much, but it is much more expensive to be a Pearl Jam fan now with the same perks than it was 15 years ago. Coming from a band that admonished big business and individuals for making money and expousing artistic integrity, it just seems hypocritical for them to publish such a blatantly shitty vanity piece.

BE9456

TinAnt said:

the tiki bomb said:

Zod said:

How much money do they get from it? The records are 29.99 each and there are 2000. That's only 60 grand. How much do the records cost to make?

If they were in it for the money you would think they would consider a larger run. EPIC owns the Ten album right? So the guys are only making royalties and whatever their contractual share per album was? I have to imagine what the band gets from this is chump change compared to what they get for playing a show or releasing a new album under their own label.

I may be naive, but I continue to believe this band is motivated by more than money.

I believed this for a long time, but I have seen an evolution in their language and choices in the last few years. I'm not going to run down every example, but more and more I am thinking to myself "this seems like a money grab" or "this would not have happened 15 years ago". It was about the music, and a lot of cool stuff came into existence because of the need to promote the music. But this one, I don't know what it is about but it is not music. I am all for dudes going out and making the best of a situation, but don't you dare turn around and preach that its a bad thing after the wool is over our eyes.

You mean like getting paid a few million to play for Oracle's customers at a private party?

they've got expenses, mortgages, they need cash infusions once in while.

PJ_Soul

Release EV said:

Whatever dude. I misread. Just the people patronizing ones that didn't get it by saying chill out etc are usually the ones with it. Pretty easy to say in that case. All I was saying is no doubt usa business day has to be release time but I am sure there is earlier or later parts of the day that could accommodate more people. Apologies for misquoting, carry on

Well I am sorry if I come off as patronizing... I thought I was just having a discussion/debate. It's kinda what I do, and it's been a slow couple of days at work. :P

It is easy to say when you got it... but I've said the exact same stuff when I didn't get something, so for me at least, that makes no difference. I believe in limited edition whether I get it or not.... and if I don't and really wanted it, I turn to Lost Dogs or Ebay, and so far have never regretted or resented a purchase I have made from those places.
I assume that those who feel let down are those who want everything to be unlimited.... For me, that would ruin all the fun.

PJ_Soul

BE9456 said:

TinAnt said:

the tiki bomb said:

Zod said:

How much money do they get from it? The records are 29.99 each and there are 2000. That's only 60 grand. How much do the records cost to make?

If they were in it for the money you would think they would consider a larger run. EPIC owns the Ten album right? So the guys are only making royalties and whatever their contractual share per album was? I have to imagine what the band gets from this is chump change compared to what they get for playing a show or releasing a new album under their own label.

I may be naive, but I continue to believe this band is motivated by more than money.

I believed this for a long time, but I have seen an evolution in their language and choices in the last few years. I'm not going to run down every example, but more and more I am thinking to myself "this seems like a money grab" or "this would not have happened 15 years ago". It was about the music, and a lot of cool stuff came into existence because of the need to promote the music. But this one, I don't know what it is about but it is not music. I am all for dudes going out and making the best of a situation, but don't you dare turn around and preach that its a bad thing after the wool is over our eyes.

You mean like getting paid a few million to play for Oracle's customers at a private party?

they've got expenses, mortgages, they need cash infusions once in while.

Didn't they donate all of that pay they got from Oracle to charity??

RoleModelsinBlood31

Sorry, I'm just chiming in since I've been reading along and maybe they did but it sounds pretty doubtful that ALL of that show was donated to charity. But you also can't blame someone for making money, shit if I could I would! Reminds me of Yankee haters always quoting salaries and cash as their excuses when their teams just took longer to realize that it's all a business and that they all just do it too.

And yes PJ soul, it kind of does seem like your ragging on those that are pissed, and defending the band because you got one. I can see both sides. It certainly doesn't suck when you scored one!

Anyway, the lesson to me about the whole thing is to be on high alert on Tuesdays, and of course on the 10th of the month.

Release EV

Tr

Release EV said:

Whatever dude. I misread. Just the people patronizing ones that didn't get it by saying chill out etc are usually the ones with it. Pretty easy to say in that case. All I was saying is no doubt usa business day has to be release time but I am sure there is earlier or later parts of the day that could accommodate more people. Apologies for misquoting, carry on

Well I am sorry if I come off as patronizing... I thought I was just having a discussion/debate. It's kinda what I do, and it's been a slow couple of days at work. :P

It is easy to say when you got it... but I've said the exact same stuff when I didn't get something, so for me at least, that makes no difference. I believe in limited edition whether I get it or not.... and if I don't and really wanted it, I turn to Lost Dogs or Ebay, and so far have never regretted or resented a purchase I have made from those places.
I assume that those who feel let down are those who want everything to be unlimited.... For me, that would ruin all the fun.

True mate. My bad.