Just so you know the AR-15 is a civilian model, not the M-16 military version. There is a drastic difference.
... But, it IS the civilian version of the M-16.. sort of like the way the HumVee is the civilian version of the HMMWV M998. The biggest difference is you can convert an AR-15 from semi-auto to full auto with the right parts, but would be hard pressed to find a conversion kit that adds the .50 cal to the civilian HumVee you just bought off of Craigslist. Yes, it is illegal in some states to sell full conversion kits... but, it is not illegal to sell the required parts, seperately... for the AR, that is, not for the HumVee. I'm pretty sure you cannot legally own an M998 with a fully functioning .50 cal in the turret (except, maybe in Idaho or Arizona)
Well it is illegal because unless you have a C3 license and ATF paperwork with the federal tax stamp plus proof that the sear was pre-82 iirc, well you'd spend the better part of your life being someone's girlfriend.
Nothing is worth that. Seriously people need to stop believing that obtaining a full-auto firearm is as easy as going out for that 3am White Castle run.
... But, you admit... it CAN be done, right? You can still legally purchase an AR-15 from a private owner... legally obtain all of the parts to convert the civilian weapon (conversion kit in whole cannot be sold, legally) and convert the civilian AR-15 into one that is capable of going full auto... true or false? It may not be the safest weapon to fire, based on the skillset of the person doing the conversion, but the point is... it can be done. Trying to convert the civilian HumVee to a military version requires the acquisition of a gun turret and an operational .50 caliber machine gun. It is also a lot easier to quiclkly identify a modified HumVee than a converted AR-15. That was the point. ... Besides, the person that would convert a weapon would probably be the last person to file the required paperwork, don't you think? I mean, you are not even willing to register your existing weapon.... what would compell you the let the hated government know you are in possession of a converted weapon?
Can it be done? Possibly. Nothing is impossible. As much as I'm into firearms I don't know the people that can make it happen. Plus selling that stuff to someone unlicensed is not going to happen either because that person probably doesn't want to take the chance.
Not many people have an m-16 bolt carrier group to begin with and obtaining the parts isn't like walking into Home Depot.
Another thing full auto might be fun to do but it's painfully inaccurate and wastes ammo badly, it would be better to have three rd burst IMO. But I guess that's besides the point.
See I can also walk outside and get struck by lightning but that doesn't mean I don't go outside. Finding the parts, if you can afford them, would be just as likely. Converting one of these isn't as easy as you guys want it to be.
... But, you admit... it CAN be done, right? You can still legally purchase an AR-15 from a private owner... legally obtain all of the parts to convert the civilian weapon (conversion kit in whole cannot be sold, legally) and convert the civilian AR-15 into one that is capable of going full auto... true or false? It may not be the safest weapon to fire, based on the skillset of the person doing the conversion, but the point is... it can be done. Trying to convert the civilian HumVee to a military version requires the acquisition of a gun turret and an operational .50 caliber machine gun. It is also a lot easier to quiclkly identify a modified HumVee than a converted AR-15. That was the point. ... Besides, the person that would convert a weapon would probably be the last person to file the required paperwork, don't you think? I mean, you are not even willing to register your existing weapon.... what would compell you the let the hated government know you are in possession of a converted weapon?
Can it be done? Possibly. Nothing is impossible. As much as I'm into firearms I don't know the people that can make it happen. Plus selling that stuff to someone unlicensed is not going to happen either because that person probably doesn't want to take the chance.
Not many people have an m-16 bolt carrier group to begin with and obtaining the parts isn't like walking into Home Depot.
Another thing full auto might be fun to do but it's painfully inaccurate and wastes ammo badly, it would be better to have three rd burst IMO. But I guess that's besides the point.
See I can also walk outside and get struck by lightning but that doesn't mean I don't go outside. Finding the parts, if you can afford them, would be just as likely. Converting one of these isn't as easy as you guys want it to be.
... Ever been to a gun show? Did you know that you can buy all of the parts needed to convert your weapon there? Maybe not from one dealer, but a person can only legally sell you full conversion kits as long as those kits were manufactured prior to 1986 (and you will pay a premium for those kits)... but he can legally sell you all of the parts. The parts are typically sold as repair kits for pre-1986 M-16s. You will have to possess some gunsmithing skills in order to machine the lower receiver, but those parts are out there... they are expensive... but, they are out there. I would never fire a converted AR-15 because I wouldn' t trust it... but, a carzy person probably wouldn't have a problem with it. Again, the point is... it can be done. Most sane people would not do this... but, we're not concerned about the sane people. It's those crazy people we are worried about. The whole basis of the arguement is to do something to keeps any firearm out of the hands of the crazy people. How do we do that.
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Hail, Hail!!!
there is no problem with a armed good samaritan lending a caring hand when someone is in a fucking jam with a scumbag. get over it, folks. this was a piece of cake as not one single person got shot. although the scumbag dogshit bastard did jab the security guard a time or two with a drugged up old ass syringe he had been nailing himself or maybe another with.
that is unacceptable. this scumbag has addiction problems to serious dope most likely, could have a contagious diseases & may suffer from mental illness or maybe he's just a fucking scumbag,,,,period. hopefully he's just a drugged up scumbag with decent health & no contagious blood running through his dumbass
like i stated above - someone or a team of someones should have took him out with home depot tools, hardware, or house plants in ceramic potters ideal for slinging at a jerk off
knocking the snot out of a dumb-asshole who is a danger to society deserves a medal from the nearest courthouse in whatever county one may be in.
there is no problem with a armed good samaritan lending a caring hand when someone is in a fucking jam with a scumbag. get over it, folks. this was a piece of cake as not one single person got shot. although the scumbag dogshit bastard did jab the security guard a time or two with a drugged up old ass syringe he had been nailing himself or maybe another with.
that is unacceptable. this scumbag has addiction problems to serious dope most likely, could have a contagious diseases & may suffer from mental illness or maybe he's just a fucking scumbag,,,,period. hopefully he's just a drugged up scumbag with decent health & no contagious blood running through his dumbass
like i stated above - someone or a team of someones should have took him out with home depot tools, hardware, or house plants in ceramic potters ideal for slinging at a jerk off
knocking the snot out of a dumb-asshole who is a danger to society deserves a medal from the nearest courthouse in whatever county one may be in.
now please stop your sniveling
.. I don't think anyone believes that this was a bad thing... well, I don't think it was a bad thing. I'm just glad that SOMEONE stepped in... gun or no gun. I just don't think it is any justification for more guns out there in the streets and in the Home Depots. I mean, why was this news item posted in the first place? Was it posted to support a political view?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
there sure are more than a few gun threads here. i am positive many of them threads could have been in one easy to find location.
you are right, it is not justification for more guns out there, not to your way of thinking or mine. i am just glad, like yourself, that someone stepped up to the plate.
i think someone (maybe a couple people) said something like this here, "i would not ever want a armed good samaritan to give me a hand if i was ever in a jam with a scumbag" something like this here...
maybe i'm seeing things funny when reading through here, maybe i am confused with something else?
So I'm not exactly sure, what is the aurgument against a person legally carring a firearm stopping a crime? Are some of you really that dead set in your ideas about being anti gun that you honestly will have an aurgument of why this was bad?
No. My comment was more of the "what's good for the goose, is good for that gander" type.
IF it's true that the problem with gun violence isn't guns but rather the people using them, then by the same logic, the positive thing about hero stories isn't the gun used by the hero, but the hero. The gun lobby would simultaneously have you believe that guns, when used for violence, were not the problem, but that guns, when used for good, were the solution.
Really well-stated, kudos.
[i]Well, it's one louder, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten. You're on ten here, all the way up, all the way up, all the way up, you're on ten on your guitar. Where can you go from there? Where?[/i]
1) awesome knives, swords & hatchets can be scored at a hick-ass gun show 2) some of the people at these gun shows are way better than the people of walmart I, II, III, IV, or V, VI or VII
my dad had a friend who was also his co-worker at the prison. dude bought & sold guns, loaded his own rounds & had several hundred guns at any given time. this guy is tighter than the bark on a tree & is today is his 60's & managed to save his first dime. "maybe mr. h can give me a deal on that shotgun?" "no probably not, you know he's a tight-ass."
he was somewhat the butt of jokes behind his back or even to his face as being a gun whacko.
first & foremost mr. h, like the old man, was in the military - dad the navy, mr. h the marines. if anyone under the sun knows his shit about firearms of any kind it is this man. us brothers grew up with mr. h & dad being wonderful friends. they gave each other a hard time about being a sailor or being a jarhead & what have you.
mr. h is a great guy & a cheap bastard. he is also one of the funniest guys anyone could ever meet. i miss those times a lot. mr. h took me deer hunting when i was a kid, never got anything but it was so awesome being up at 4am with the men, riding in the beastly old banged up truck & getting into the woods before sun-up.
in my opinion the m-16 is overrated. no we never used m-16's deer hunting
So I'm not exactly sure, what is the aurgument against a person legally carring a firearm stopping a crime? Are some of you really that dead set in your ideas about being anti gun that you honestly will have an aurgument of why this was bad?
No. My comment was more of the "what's good for the goose, is good for that gander" type.
IF it's true that the problem with gun violence isn't guns but rather the people using them, then by the same logic, the positive thing about hero stories isn't the gun used by the hero, but the hero.
The gun lobby would simultaneously have you believe that guns, when used for violence, were not the problem, but that guns, when used for good, were the solution.
So, he pulled out his gun, may have shot the clerk, gave the robbers a getaway vehicle....how did having a gun do anything positive in in that situation"?
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
nail gun?
nail gun requires a compressor....its just not practical.
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
nail gun?
nail gun requires a compressor....its just not practical.
call me buzz killington.
Sorry to correct, but you don't need an air compressor anymore.
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
nail gun?
nail gun requires a compressor....its just not practical.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
For the record... you do realize I was playing around with my silly Indiana Jones electrical cord contribution, right? You might have been playing around as well... but given you have quoted my text... I'm not sure what the nail gun comment is getting at?
Have you confused me as a gun proponent? Or do I lack the capacity to recognize humour on the internet?
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
For the record... you do realize I was playing around with my silly Indiana Jones electrical cord contribution, right? You might have been playing around as well... but given you have quoted my text... I'm not sure what the nail gun comment is getting at?
Have you confused me as a gun proponent? Or do I lack the capacity to recognize humour on the internet?
oh no, playing along. Gun thread required a nail gun.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts
Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.
That'd teach the guy.
look to get a "bad guy" fucking up at The Home Depot or Lowes OF COURSE you want a NAIL GUN. geez.
For the record... you do realize I was playing around with my silly Indiana Jones electrical cord contribution, right? You might have been playing around as well... but given you have quoted my text... I'm not sure what the nail gun comment is getting at?
Have you confused me as a gun proponent? Or do I lack the capacity to recognize humour on the internet?
oh no, playing along. Gun thread required a nail gun.
Comments
Not many people have an m-16 bolt carrier group to begin with and obtaining the parts isn't like walking into Home Depot.
Another thing full auto might be fun to do but it's painfully inaccurate and wastes ammo badly, it would be better to have three rd burst IMO. But I guess that's besides the point.
See I can also walk outside and get struck by lightning but that doesn't mean I don't go outside. Finding the parts, if you can afford them, would be just as likely. Converting one of these isn't as easy as you guys want it to be.
Ever been to a gun show?
Did you know that you can buy all of the parts needed to convert your weapon there? Maybe not from one dealer, but a person can only legally sell you full conversion kits as long as those kits were manufactured prior to 1986 (and you will pay a premium for those kits)... but he can legally sell you all of the parts. The parts are typically sold as repair kits for pre-1986 M-16s. You will have to possess some gunsmithing skills in order to machine the lower receiver, but those parts are out there... they are expensive... but, they are out there. I would never fire a converted AR-15 because I wouldn' t trust it... but, a carzy person probably wouldn't have a problem with it.
Again, the point is... it can be done. Most sane people would not do this... but, we're not concerned about the sane people. It's those crazy people we are worried about. The whole basis of the arguement is to do something to keeps any firearm out of the hands of the crazy people.
How do we do that.
Hail, Hail!!!
that is unacceptable. this scumbag has addiction problems to serious dope most likely, could have a contagious diseases & may suffer from mental illness or maybe he's just a fucking scumbag,,,,period. hopefully he's just a drugged up scumbag with decent health & no contagious blood running through his dumbass
like i stated above - someone or a team of someones should have took him out with home depot tools, hardware, or house plants in ceramic potters ideal for slinging at a jerk off
knocking the snot out of a dumb-asshole who is a danger to society deserves a medal from the nearest courthouse in whatever county one may be in.
now please stop your sniveling
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I don't think anyone believes that this was a bad thing... well, I don't think it was a bad thing. I'm just glad that SOMEONE stepped in... gun or no gun.
I just don't think it is any justification for more guns out there in the streets and in the Home Depots.
I mean, why was this news item posted in the first place? Was it posted to support a political view?
Hail, Hail!!!
you are right, it is not justification for more guns out there, not to your way of thinking or mine. i am just glad, like yourself, that someone stepped up to the plate.
i think someone (maybe a couple people) said something like this here, "i would not ever want a armed good samaritan to give me a hand if i was ever in a jam with a scumbag" something like this here...
maybe i'm seeing things funny when reading through here, maybe i am confused with something else?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
1) awesome knives, swords & hatchets can be scored at a hick-ass gun show
2) some of the people at these gun shows are way better than the people of walmart I, II, III, IV, or V, VI or VII
my dad had a friend who was also his co-worker at the prison. dude bought & sold guns, loaded his own rounds & had several hundred guns at any given time. this guy is tighter than the bark on a tree & is today is his 60's & managed to save his first dime. "maybe mr. h can give me a deal on that shotgun?" "no probably not, you know he's a tight-ass."
he was somewhat the butt of jokes behind his back or even to his face as being a gun whacko.
first & foremost
mr. h, like the old man, was in the military - dad the navy, mr. h the marines. if anyone under the sun knows his shit about firearms of any kind it is this man. us brothers grew up with mr. h & dad being wonderful friends. they gave each other a hard time about being a sailor or being a jarhead & what have you.
mr. h is a great guy & a cheap bastard. he is also one of the funniest guys anyone could ever meet. i miss those times a lot.
mr. h took me deer hunting when i was a kid, never got anything but it was so awesome being up at 4am with the men, riding in the beastly old banged up truck & getting into the woods before sun-up.
in my opinion the m-16 is overrated.
no we never used m-16's deer hunting
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
*-:)
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
nail gun?
nail gun requires a compressor....its just not practical.
call me buzz killington.
Sorry to correct, but you don't need an air compressor anymore.
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/one-cordless-brad-nailer-18v/834310
http://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-20-Volt-Max-XR-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Brushless-2-Speed-Framing-Nailer-DCN692M1/204836207?N=5yc1vZc2cd
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Paslode-CF325-Li-ion-Cordless-Framing-Nailer-902600/202874989?N=5yc1vZc2cd
buzz trollington?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Have you confused me as a gun proponent? Or do I lack the capacity to recognize humour on the internet?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14