Good guy with a gun stops attack

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I do understand this. It's a toy version of a military weapon. Completely unnecessary for the everyday citizen.

callen

cornnifer said:

The following is an excerpt from an article debunking several republican/conservative ass hat arguments, including the one apparently being made by the OP.

"A gun in the house minimally doubles the risk that a household member will kill himself or herself. ( Some studies put the increase in suicide risk as high as 10 times.) An American is 50 percent more likely to be shot dead by his or her own hand, than to be shot dead by a criminal assailant. More than 30,000 Americans injure themselves with guns every year."

Natur

unsung said:

rgambs said:

unsung said:

I tend to not get emotional about a stupid picture, but we should ban chairs for taking part in this evil event.

Oh contrare! It was your emotion in loving guns that let you miss a chance at making yourself, and your cause, look reasonable and to lend credence to the safe gun owner idea. But you missed it, I understand being on the defensive, you got it coming from all angles.
No chair ban, in fact, let's not ban anything let's get that darwinism going and have gun owners proove they can fire from atop a chair to renew their licenses lol

On the defensive? Pretty funny. I think I can handle you guys, even with my limited time and means to get here.

I'm still wanting to know why an AR-15 scares you guys so much. It's been proven to almost never be used in crime, what gives?

. The AR15 doesn't scare me it's the fear in people that feel they need one.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I do understand this. It's a toy version of a military weapon. Completely unnecessary for the everyday citizen.

And that's completely your opinion.

Cosmo

unsung said:

Just so you know the AR-15 is a civilian model, not the M-16 military version. There is a drastic difference.

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But, it IS the civilian version of the M-16.. sort of like the way the HumVee is the civilian version of the HMMWV M998.
The biggest difference is you can convert an AR-15 from semi-auto to full auto with the right parts, but would be hard pressed to find a conversion kit that adds the .50 cal to the civilian HumVee you just bought off of Craigslist. Yes, it is illegal in some states to sell full conversion kits... but, it is not illegal to sell the required parts, seperately... for the AR, that is, not for the HumVee. I'm pretty sure you cannot legally own an M998 with a fully functioning .50 cal in the turret (except, maybe in Idaho or Arizona)

Thirty Bills Unpaid

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I do understand this. It's a toy version of a military weapon. Completely unnecessary for the everyday citizen.

And that's completely your opinion.

I believe you actually meant to say: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

gimmesometruth27

unsung said:

How do you even find a picture like that? Actually I don't want to know, my eyes are burning.

lol i just did an image search for "good guy with a gun" and it was one of the first ones to pop up. i have a lot of time on my hands these days... LOL...

vant0037

I thought that guns weren't the problem in gun violence; bad people who want to do bad things will find a way with or without a gun. (Or so the story goes)

So...

By that logic, wouldn't this good guy have found a way to do good, with or without the gun?

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 said:

^^^ good guy with a gun.....and guitar hero controllers.....and a skullet....

I would have said that Russel Brand has really let himself go.

Cosmo

vant0037 said:

I thought that guns weren't the problem in gun violence; bad people who want to do bad things will find a way with or without a gun. (Or so the story goes)

So...

By that logic, wouldn't this good guy have found a way to do good, with or without the gun?

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I was thinking that when I went to the Home Depot during my lunch break today. If there was a guy with a knife in that store... I looked around and thought, 'This is a fucking Home Depot... I can hold off this knife weilding asshole with this shovel'.

chadwick

honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts

Thirty Bills Unpaid

chadwick said:

honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts

Don't forget a good old fashioned beatdown with an electrical extension cord Indiana Jones style.

That'd teach the guy.

chadwick

you're about 3/4 mind reading, sir.
i about typed that exact commet right up here

indiana jones style extension cord tactics

chadwick

run out of home depot super quick (if you're a runner) head for the nearby bowling ball storethat is next door. return to home depot & throw bowling ball shoes, pins & bowling balls at the guy. you woulda used a wheel barrow to fill it up with bowling weapons

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I do understand this. It's a toy version of a military weapon. Completely unnecessary for the everyday citizen.

And that's completely your opinion.

I believe you actually meant to say: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

The Dude abides.

unsung

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

Just so you know the AR-15 is a civilian model, not the M-16 military version. There is a drastic difference.

...
But, it IS the civilian version of the M-16.. sort of like the way the HumVee is the civilian version of the HMMWV M998.
The biggest difference is you can convert an AR-15 from semi-auto to full auto with the right parts, but would be hard pressed to find a conversion kit that adds the .50 cal to the civilian HumVee you just bought off of Craigslist. Yes, it is illegal in some states to sell full conversion kits... but, it is not illegal to sell the required parts, seperately... for the AR, that is, not for the HumVee. I'm pretty sure you cannot legally own an M998 with a fully functioning .50 cal in the turret (except, maybe in Idaho or Arizona)

Well it is illegal because unless you have a C3 license and ATF paperwork with the federal tax stamp plus proof that the sear was pre-82 iirc, well you'd spend the better part of your life being someone's girlfriend.

Nothing is worth that. Seriously people need to stop believing that obtaining a full-auto firearm is as easy as going out for that 3am White Castle run.

mattsl1983

So I'm not exactly sure, what is the aurgument against a person legally carring a firearm stopping a crime? Are some of you really that dead set in your ideas about being anti gun that you honestly will have an aurgument of why this was bad?

Halifax2TheMax

chadwick said:

honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts

I wish the House and the Senate had this kind of humor in their debates. I almost spit my drink out when I read this. If I ever became speaker of the house, I'd institute a rule that the first minute of open floor debate had to be spent telling a joke. No holds barred. Whatever joke you wanted to tell, tell it.

If Chadwick hasn't thought of it yet, someone should compile his musings and put them in book form. Nice job (I thought of it first).

Peace.

vant0037

mattsl1983 said:

So I'm not exactly sure, what is the aurgument against a person legally carring a firearm stopping a crime? Are some of you really that dead set in your ideas about being anti gun that you honestly will have an aurgument of why this was bad?

No. My comment was more of the "what's good for the goose, is good for that gander" type.

IF it's true that the problem with gun violence isn't guns but rather the people using them, then by the same logic, the positive thing about hero stories isn't the gun used by the hero, but the hero.

The gun lobby would simultaneously have you believe that guns, when used for violence, were not the problem, but that guns, when used for good, were the solution.

chadwick

Halifax2TheMax said:

chadwick said:

honestly it would be soo much more exciting to hold off or even bash a knife weilding asshole in the home depot with a shovel, 2x4, 4x4, battery operated sawsall, gas grill tank in swung flung fashion, axes, hatchets, throw spike nails by the handfull, swing a bag of sand, throw a charcoal grill lid at the prick, beat him with a tiki bamboo torch party job, fucking cordless massive concrete drill, toilet set, toilet ceramic lid from the tank, beat him with a shower door, throw house plants at the guy, fire up a riding or push mower & run him down, chainsaw, chainsaw on a extension for high up tree work, pelt the dickhead with charcoal briquettes, surround him with a 13 man team of lightbulb throwing experts

I wish the House and the Senate had this kind of humor in their debates. I almost spit my drink out when I read this. If I ever became speaker of the house, I'd institute a rule that the first minute of open floor debate had to be spent telling a joke. No holds barred. Whatever joke you wanted to tell, tell it.

If Chadwick hasn't thought of it yet, someone should compile his musings and put them in book form. Nice job (I thought of it first).

Peace.

) nice job
get going with your book. i like cash & so do you

Cosmo

unsung said:

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

Just so you know the AR-15 is a civilian model, not the M-16 military version. There is a drastic difference.

...
But, it IS the civilian version of the M-16.. sort of like the way the HumVee is the civilian version of the HMMWV M998.
The biggest difference is you can convert an AR-15 from semi-auto to full auto with the right parts, but would be hard pressed to find a conversion kit that adds the .50 cal to the civilian HumVee you just bought off of Craigslist. Yes, it is illegal in some states to sell full conversion kits... but, it is not illegal to sell the required parts, seperately... for the AR, that is, not for the HumVee. I'm pretty sure you cannot legally own an M998 with a fully functioning .50 cal in the turret (except, maybe in Idaho or Arizona)

Well it is illegal because unless you have a C3 license and ATF paperwork with the federal tax stamp plus proof that the sear was pre-82 iirc, well you'd spend the better part of your life being someone's girlfriend.

Nothing is worth that. Seriously people need to stop believing that obtaining a full-auto firearm is as easy as going out for that 3am White Castle run.

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But, you admit... it CAN be done, right? You can still legally purchase an AR-15 from a private owner... legally obtain all of the parts to convert the civilian weapon (conversion kit in whole cannot be sold, legally) and convert the civilian AR-15 into one that is capable of going full auto... true or false?
It may not be the safest weapon to fire, based on the skillset of the person doing the conversion, but the point is... it can be done. Trying to convert the civilian HumVee to a military version requires the acquisition of a gun turret and an operational .50 caliber machine gun. It is also a lot easier to quiclkly identify a modified HumVee than a converted AR-15.
That was the point.
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Besides, the person that would convert a weapon would probably be the last person to file the required paperwork, don't you think? I mean, you are not even willing to register your existing weapon.... what would compell you the let the hated government know you are in possession of a converted weapon?