What's so bad about Creed?

Treyert14

I am a huge fan of the band Creed. I think Mark Tremonti is actually a better musician then McCready. But I do think Eds got Stapp beat by along slide lol but why all the hate on Creed???

DewieCox

I'll bite....

Well, Creed plays boring, derivative, paint by numbers music. And comparing the guy that's by far the best musician in his band with probably the weakest musician in PJ isn't the best way to back up your claim.

Treyert14

DewieCox said:

I'll bite....

Well, Creed plays boring, derivative, paint by numbers music. And comparing the guy that's by far the best musician in his band with probably the weakest musician in PJ isn't the best way to back up your claim.

Well first McCready is definitely not the weakest member of PJ lol. But I don't understand how Creed is boring I find when they came out they had brought a great new sound to rock music. What would you say makes them boring?

2-feign-reluctance

Not everything has to be so dynamic & unique. All music is derivative IMO & sometimes that can be fun! I consider myself a music nerd and have all sorts of pointed views on the matter - now Creed? Not my cuppa' - but Hootie and the Blowfish? There is a great band who got swept up into record contracts because baritone lead singers were all the rage until ??

DewieCox

Treyert14 said:

DewieCox said:

I'll bite....

Well, Creed plays boring, derivative, paint by numbers music. And comparing the guy that's by far the best musician in his band with probably the weakest musician in PJ isn't the best way to back up your claim.

Well first McCready is definitely not the weakest member of PJ lol. But I don't understand how Creed is boring I find when they came out they had brought a great new sound to rock music. What would you say makes them boring?

Well, a pretty good argument could be made for McCready being the weakest, but nobody with any musical knowledge would make an argument for any other member of Creed.

They basically took the touchstones of what made "grunge" popular and wrote very formulaic music with it. There was nothing new about the songs they wrote.

Treyert14

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Treyert14

DewieCox said:

Treyert14 said:

DewieCox said:

I'll bite....

Well, Creed plays boring, derivative, paint by numbers music. And comparing the guy that's by far the best musician in his band with probably the weakest musician in PJ isn't the best way to back up your claim.

Well first McCready is definitely not the weakest member of PJ lol. But I don't understand how Creed is boring I find when they came out they had brought a great new sound to rock music. What would you say makes them boring?

Well, a pretty good argument could be made for McCready being the weakest, but nobody with any musical knowledge would make an argument for any other member of Creed.

They basically took the touchstones of what made "grunge" popular and wrote very formulaic music with it. There was nothing new about the songs they wrote.

Well when they first started with there first album they had a grunge sound.
But when they got up to weathered and human clay they were watered down a bit but I can't think of any other band that resembled Creed before there time. Which made Creed new, and different.

Treyert14

2-feign-reluctance said:

Not everything has to be so dynamic & unique. All music is derivative IMO & sometimes that can be fun! I consider myself a music nerd and have all sorts of pointed views on the matter - now Creed? Not my cuppa' - but Hootie and the Blowfish? There is a great band who got swept up into record contracts because baritone lead singers were all the rage until ??

I definitely agree! Hootie and the Blowfish is great!

facepollution

Mark Tremonti was never considered to be a particulalry remarkable guitarist when he was in Creed, it was only when he cut loose in Alter Bridge that people started paying attention.

For me, Creed was pure pastiche, topped off by Stapp's awful Eddie Vedder impression - there is nothing natural sounding about his voice at all.

Creed essentially got big because Pearl Jam had had enough of being famous, Alice In Chains had dropped off the radar and Soundgarden had just split up - record companies wanted to fill the void, and the new generation of rock fans probably weren't quite old enough to have seen or heard the original Seattle bands, so the disparity in quality was probably not so apparent to them.

Obviously Creed had a knack for writing catchy songs that did well on the radio and sold well, but they did not do with their influences what the early Seattle bands did with theirs.

eeriepadave

Treyert14 said:

DewieCox said:

But I don't understand how Creed is boring I find when they came out they had brought a great new sound to rock music.

) Quote of the year right there

Treyert14

eeriepadave said:

Treyert14 said:

DewieCox said:

But I don't understand how Creed is boring I find when they came out they had brought a great new sound to rock music.

) Quote of the year right there

Name a band that had Creeds sound before them. Lol

TheseGoToEleven

Alter Bridge proves Creed deserved every bit of the flak they took for being stale derivatives of not just other music, but even themselves after their first album. Tremonti himself is a riff machine, and I love his AB work.

Treyert14

TheseGoToEleven said:

Alter Bridge proves Creed deserved every bit of the flak they took for being stale derivatives of not just other music, but even themselves after their first album. Tremonti himself is a riff machine, and I love his AB work.

Well it was only there 2 middle albums that kind of repeated themselves. But there first and last albums were unique to me. And yes Tremonti is a beast. Lol but I can't stand Miles Kennedy I'll listen to Scott any day but can't do Miles lol

facepollution

Wow, you would take Stapp over Myles Kennedy? OK, whatever butters your muffin......

shortstack

DewieCox said:

They basically took the touchstones of what made "grunge" popular and wrote very formulaic music with it. There was nothing new about the songs they wrote.

wasn't it actually labeled "grunge-lite"?

Treyert14

facepollution said:

Wow, you would take Stapp over Myles Kennedy? OK, whatever butters your muffin......

I understand Myles voice is more dynamic, but I just can't stand his voice and the way he sings.

Treyert14

facepollution said:

Wow, you would take Stapp over Myles Kennedy? OK, whatever butters your muffin......

Just like Dio was obviously the better singer but I think we all preferred Ozzy for Black Sabbath right?

mfc2006

I just don't like their music.

facepollution

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Wow, you would take Stapp over Myles Kennedy? OK, whatever butters your muffin......

Just like Dio was obviously the better singer but I think we all preferred Ozzy for Black Sabbath right?

But Myles doesn't sing any Creed stuff.......

Treyert14

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Wow, you would take Stapp over Myles Kennedy? OK, whatever butters your muffin......

Just like Dio was obviously the better singer but I think we all preferred Ozzy for Black Sabbath right?

But Myles doesn't sing any Creed stuff.......

Eh. I guess your right. Lol

Treyert14

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

facepollution

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

They weren't really over played here in the UK. Like I said, to me it sounds like a watered down, safe version of what a load of bands before them did.

buck502000

Treyert14

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

They weren't really over played here in the UK. Like I said, to me it sounds like a watered down, safe version of what a load of bands before them did.

But who sounded like Creed before them?

facepollution

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

They weren't really over played here in the UK. Like I said, to me it sounds like a watered down, safe version of what a load of bands before them did.

But who sounded like Creed before them?

Specifically I think they sound like they borrowed from Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam.

Treyert14

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

They weren't really over played here in the UK. Like I said, to me it sounds like a watered down, safe version of what a load of bands before them did.

But who sounded like Creed before them?

Specifically I think they sound like they borrowed from Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam.

Man. I don't see how you can say that? I kinda find the first album did but not the others. But even if they did isn't that what playing music is about? Taking part of somebody's music and kinda making it your own. And I don't mean like steal there idea but just let them influence you. You know what I'm saying?

TheseGoToEleven

I still find this one funny (behind the "Shreds" meme in case this really confuses you: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/x-shreds)

http://youtu.be/ms61I54CeQA

drlovemonkey

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

I loved the 1st cd. But then With Arms Wide Open happened - I have never in my life been so sick of a song being played on the radio. And the more popular they got, the more I saw of them in interviews - and Scott Stapp came off as so fake and insincere to me.

But to be completely honest, I still will listen to the 1st CD from time to time. Torn is still an all time for me.

EarlWelsh

I didn't realize anyone even still thought about this band.

facepollution

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

They weren't really over played here in the UK. Like I said, to me it sounds like a watered down, safe version of what a load of bands before them did.

But who sounded like Creed before them?

Specifically I think they sound like they borrowed from Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam.

Man. I don't see how you can say that? I kinda find the first album did but not the others. But even if they did isn't that what playing music is about? Taking part of somebody's music and kinda making it your own. And I don't mean like steal there idea but just let them influence you. You know what I'm saying?

I know what you're saying but that's the problem, they did nothing new or inspiring with their influences. They jumped on a bandwagon and got lucky because that bandwagon's big hitters were all pretty much self-destructing. If anything they got worse as they went on because they took anything good about that early Seattle sound and essentially neutered it to cater to radio play.

You might not like or agree with my point of view, but this is basically the crux of why so many people don't like Creed - overplaying probably didn't help their cause, but the general consensus is that they brought nothing new to the table.

There was a music documentary series called Metal Evolution, and one episode focused on 'grunge', they interviewed a bunch of the Seattle musicians who all basically said what I've written. They also interviewed Stapp and Tremonti and the guys from Nickelback, and asked their feelings on the debate. Naturally they thought they brought something original and new.

Aside from my own thoughts, it just doesn't seem that these kind of bands are looked back on as fondly as the early 90's bands, make of that what you will.

Treyert14

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

facepollution said:

Treyert14 said:

So nobody here liked Creed when they first came out? Cause I kinda feel like alot of the hate towards them comes from overplay.

They weren't really over played here in the UK. Like I said, to me it sounds like a watered down, safe version of what a load of bands before them did.

But who sounded like Creed before them?

Specifically I think they sound like they borrowed from Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam.

Man. I don't see how you can say that? I kinda find the first album did but not the others. But even if they did isn't that what playing music is about? Taking part of somebody's music and kinda making it your own. And I don't mean like steal there idea but just let them influence you. You know what I'm saying?

I know what you're saying but that's the problem, they did nothing new or inspiring with their influences. They jumped on a bandwagon and got lucky because that bandwagon's big hitters were all pretty much self-destructing. If anything they got worse as they went on because they took anything good about that early Seattle sound and essentially neutered it to cater to radio play.

You might not like or agree with my point of view, but this is basically the crux of why so many people don't like Creed - overplaying probably didn't help their cause, but the general consensus is that they brought nothing new to the table.

There was a music documentary series called Metal Evolution, and one episode focused on 'grunge', they interviewed a bunch of the Seattle musicians who all basically said what I've written. They also interviewed Stapp and Tremonti and the guys from Nickelback, and asked their feelings on the debate. Naturally they thought they brought something original and new.

Aside from my own thoughts, it just doesn't seem that these kind of bands are looked back on as fondly as the early 90's bands, make of that what you will.

Yea man if that's your feelings then ok! Lol but I definitely do agree that they can't touch any of the real Seattle bands and I definitely don't think there grunge. I just think there rock music. But I like Creed.