Not sure if this was posted yet, but here's a great link my friend sent me that actually lets you listen to 5 different tracks in high def vs compressed. You can take the test to see if you can really tell the difference and can toggle back and forth which is really cool. I think this is the first time I actually appreciated the Momentums. I couldn't tell the difference with the Sony MDR-V6 but the Momentum allowed me to get 4/5 of the test correct. Still not sure if that means I'm wasting my money since it was REALLY tough in some cases to tell the difference. Let me know what you guys think:
4 out of 5- missed the Dixie Chicks but goddamn i would never listen to that anyway... and could they have picked any shittier bands for the test. i felt like i was in A Clockwork Orange listening to this bullshit music.
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
Finally got my PJ Pono 219 of 495. It sounds incredible. I've tried songs of every bit rate from crappy 192 kbps all the way to the Leeds bootleg in 24 bit. I have zero disappointment in the sound. However, the software is the glitchiest pain in the ass software I've ever used. It is nearly impossible to get the Pono to be recognized by the computer and load tracks and eject it without repeat failures. I still can't figure out how to have the software recognize the SD card that it came with to add additional tracks to it.
Fenway 1 & 2 2016
MSG 1 & 2 2016
Central Park 2015
Barclays 2, Seattle 2013
MSG 1 & 2 2010
Boston 1 & 2 2006
Boston 1 2004
Augusta 1996
Dang I failed that test. Granted I was listening through headphones on my computer, but did not notice much difference. Scored 2 correct :(
that is because there is no noticeable difference to the human ear
viva la cd!
I think that is the reason CDs were made to be 44.1kHz. Isnt that about the top end of human hearing?
to my understanding that is correct
Humans can't hear frequencies above 20 kHz. The sampling rate for CDs is set at just over double that to ensure that it captures frequencies up to, and including, 20 kHz.
that is my understanding... i have also read that 20 kHz is the high end and most humans cant hear above 15 kHz...
i LOVE Neil... but when i hear him explain this away by saying you will "feel" the difference i just laugh, he must be smoking again lol
Not sure if this was posted yet, but here's a great link my friend sent me that actually lets you listen to 5 different tracks in high def vs compressed. You can take the test to see if you can really tell the difference and can toggle back and forth which is really cool. I think this is the first time I actually appreciated the Momentums. I couldn't tell the difference with the Sony MDR-V6 but the Momentum allowed me to get 4/5 of the test correct. Still not sure if that means I'm wasting my money since it was REALLY tough in some cases to tell the difference. Let me know what you guys think:
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
I passed 4/5 on the hd test. Hmmm...how did the rest of you fare?
Same- I missed the Dixie chicks song. the last one they gave me... not sure if it rotates them or everyone gets the same ones.
I missed The Killers one right at the start. 4 in a row afterwards. Bass deeper on DC sample, clarity and headroom for The Eagles. Bass and depth on DP and I fuckin' guessed the other one.
Dang I failed that test. Granted I was listening through headphones on my computer, but did not notice much difference. Scored 2 correct :(
that is because there is no noticeable difference to the human ear
viva la cd!
I think that is the reason CDs were made to be 44.1kHz. Isnt that about the top end of human hearing?
to my understanding that is correct
Humans can't hear frequencies above 20 kHz. The sampling rate for CDs is set at just over double that to ensure that it captures frequencies up to, and including, 20 kHz.
that is my understanding... i have also read that 20 kHz is the high end and most humans cant hear above 15 kHz...
i LOVE Neil... but when i hear him explain this away by saying you will "feel" the difference i just laugh, he must be smoking again lol
Well, the sampling rate is only one part of the equation. The bit depth is also a factor in terms of hearing the dynamic range (the difference between the highs and the lows). Like the sampling rate, some say that 24 bit depth is overkill.
I did it at about midnight on my basic HP computer with my Sennheisers.... wish a had a way to send it thru my audio setup. that would be interesting to hear.
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
Quick question. I finally received my shipping confirmation for my Pono device. How long after folks receive those confirmations does it take for it to arrive? I received a UPS shipping confirmation two days ago stating that a label was being created and shipping info would be updated shortly but haven't seen any updates since then.
will it play seamless? or are there gaps between EVERY song?
Nope. Listened to it today in the car - even though it is 16 bit, still had gaps. When using the Pono App on your compy, you can set it to gapless, but the feature will not hit the player itself until 2015. I read that on the forums. Hope that helps - great question BTW.
Well, received the early bird Black Pono Player today. Small custom box. On the UPS slip it said .. Total Value For Duty .. $454.40. So .. I had to pay $105.78 for customs. Totally gutted. The early bird Black Pono Player was $215 shipped to Canada. They put $454.40 on the custom form. I sent them an email & soon a scan of the paying slip. Doubt they will do anything about it. Totally blows! :(
Why in God's name do companies use UPS for shipping international packages? WHY? Please DO NOT use UPS!! I'm begging you. If you are shipping anything internationally, never in your LIFE use UPS.
OK so I stepped up the headphone game a bit. The Momentums were tight around my ears and while they are light and look beautiful, I felt they were just lacking something. Just too meh. I needed closed cans to keep the kid noise out so I bought the NAD Viso HP50 and also the PSB M4U-2. Both of these are designed by an audio God named Paul Barton, and all I can say is that I now worship at the Temple of Paul.
First let me just say that they both look ridiculous on your head. This is not the kind of thing I would wear out of the house or office. Let me also say that after listening to them, I give zero fucks how they look.
Now to the important part...the sound. And HOLY SHIT. I am listening to Ten Redux, an album (albeit remixed) that I have heard literally 10,000,000 times since I was 14 years old. There is so much freaking subtlety that I can hear with both of these headphones that I just never heard before. It's like I'm hearing this record for the first time. Eddie asks for spare change in Even Flow? "God bless"? When the fuck did they add that part to the song? How could I not hear that the first 10,000,000 times I've heard this record? Oh, and the bass end...good lord the base...it's just...beautiful. I can literally hear their fingers sliding on the instruments, hear the piano clearly in Black, hear every little high hat closure.
Now the hard part: which one of these glorious devices to keep. The hell if I know.
will it play seamless? or are there gaps between EVERY song?
Nope. Listened to it today in the car - even though it is 16 bit, still had gaps. When using the Pono App on your compy, you can set it to gapless, but the feature will not hit the player itself until 2015. I read that on the forums. Hope that helps - great question BTW.
Yeah, that does help. Thanks.
I was trying to figure out how to set up the player to gapless but couldn't . Now i know why>LOL>I don't think that makes sense that they didn't have that feature right from the get-go. Who wants to listen to a concert with GAPS between EVERY song?
Quick question. I finally received my shipping confirmation for my Pono device. How long after folks receive those confirmations does it take for it to arrive? I received a UPS shipping confirmation two days ago stating that a label was being created and shipping info would be updated shortly but haven't seen any updates since then.
RM
Set up a UPS My Choice account, it's free. Make sure you use the same email address you used for your Pono order. I was in the same boat you are in and when I set up my account it showed on my calendar a delivering scheduled for the 16th from PCH International.
I think I saw a post about the "scanning music library" issue on here, but not sure.
Nonetheless, here is a fix for that (taken from the ponomusic community site):
After restart you have a few seconds to navigate menus before it shifts to “scanning music library”. Navigate to Settings, and then to “theme”. If you can’t get there in time, just restart and it’ll remember where you were. The goal is to change the theme. That forces a reset, and voila, you’re back in action.
I case you were wondering why you are getting that error, it's probably because you have a file that is not recognized by the player. My issue stemmed from some FLAC files that were encoded incorrectly.
Also, don't fill up your player or microSD card all the way, leave a little on each (I leave about 1GB on each) so that the index file can be written while it's scanning for new music.
Quick question. I finally received my shipping confirmation for my Pono device. How long after folks receive those confirmations does it take for it to arrive? I received a UPS shipping confirmation two days ago stating that a label was being created and shipping info would be updated shortly but haven't seen any updates since then.
RM
Set up a UPS My Choice account, it's free. Make sure you use the same email address you used for your Pono order. I was in the same boat you are in and when I set up my account it showed on my calendar a delivering scheduled for the 16th from PCH International.
Thanks for the info! I did sign up for the UPS Choice account and it's still not showing any projected delivery dates on my calendar. It's still showing that a UPS label has been created and once it arrives at their facility that tracking info will be updated however that was 4 days ago. Did you have a similar experience?
Since this shipment requires a signature I want to make sure I'll be around when it's delivered so I'm just trying to get a feel of how long it takes to be delivered once you receive the shipment notification from Pono.
My shipping confirmation is the same as a lot of people. Label created on 12/8, but no additional information. It appears they printed off a bunch of labels/did the billing with UPS to get tracking numbers for the 12/8 deadline they set. However it doesn't appear they're even close to having these things shipped out.
"There's a $10,000 bill in it for you."
"Oh yeah? Which president's on it?"
"Uh, all of them. They're having a party. Jimmy Carter's passed out on the couch."
Same here, have had the label from UPS printed 12/8, yet it hasn't been shipped yet. At this rate all I want for Christmas is my fucking PONO player!!!!
Raleigh, NC 8-18-92 Missoula, MT 9-30-12, EV Dallas, TX 11-15-12, EV San Antonio 11-16-12 London, ONT 7-16-13 - Wrigley Field 7-19-13 Charlotte 10-30-13, Dallas 11-15-13, OKC 11-16-13, Seattle 12-6-13 Tulsa 10-8-14, Lincoln 10-9-14, St. Paul 10-19-14, Milwaukee 10-20-14 NYC 9-26-15 Ft Lauderdale 4-8-16, Miami 4-9-16, Tampa 4-11-16, Jacksonville 4-13-16, Pemberton 7-17-16,Wrigley 8-20-16 and 8-22-16 Seattle 8-8-18; 8-10-18, Missoula 8-13-18 Earthlings 2022: Seattle 2-21-222 and 2-22-22, Los Angeles 2-25-22 EV Coeur d’Alene 7-28-23, St Paul 8-31-23 and 9-2-23, Ft Worth 9-13-23 and 9-15-23, EV Seattle 10-23-23 and 10-24-23
I just had to send mine back. It gets stuck on the pono splash screen and locks up. PONO customer service has been awesome, so far. They even sent me a loaner Yellow PONO while mine is getting worked on. Hopefully they can fix the problem.
Same here, have had the label from UPS printed 12/8, yet it hasn't been shipped yet. At this rate all I want for Christmas is my fucking PONO player!!!!
Amen to that one. I'm hoping I'll receive mine sometime next week so I can really geek out and play the crap out of it during my Christmas break!
FYI - The Ponos were boxed and individual labels were printed in China, then were bulked shipped from China to the U.S. We'll have to wait for the distributor in the U.S. to get the shipment, then for the individual packages to be routed to their final destinations before they start showing in UPS' system.
"There's a $10,000 bill in it for you."
"Oh yeah? Which president's on it?"
"Uh, all of them. They're having a party. Jimmy Carter's passed out on the couch."
FYI - The Ponos were boxed and individual labels were printed in China, then were bulked shipped from China to the U.S. We'll have to wait for the distributor in the U.S. to get the shipment, then for the individual packages to be routed to their final destinations before they start showing in UPS' system.
Oh great, that means I won't be seeing my Pono anytime soon I guess. Are there backers on here who were lucky enough to score the PJ LE Pono that are still waiting to receive theirs?
I missed out on the PJ one but purchased the Foo Fighters LE instead so I could be sure of getting my hands on one in the Oct. time frame. Now December is starting to close out and I'm still waiting. Story of my life...hurry up and wait.
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missed the Dixie Chicks but goddamn i would never listen to that anyway...
and could they have picked any shittier bands for the test.
i felt like i was in A Clockwork Orange listening to this bullshit music.
livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
will it play seamless? or are there gaps between EVERY song?
MSG 1 & 2 2016
Central Park 2015
Barclays 2, Seattle 2013
MSG 1 & 2 2010
Boston 1 & 2 2006
Boston 1 2004
Augusta 1996
i LOVE Neil... but when i hear him explain this away by saying you will "feel" the difference i just laugh, he must be smoking again lol
not sure if it rotates them or everyone gets the same ones.
livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
wish a had a way to send it thru my audio setup. that would be interesting to hear.
livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=446
1995- New Orleans, LA : New Orleans, LA
1996- Charleston, SC
1998- Atlanta, GA: Birmingham, AL: Greenville, SC: Knoxville, TN
2000- Atlanta, GA: New Orleans, LA: Memphis, TN: Nashville, TN
2003- Raleigh, NC: Charlotte, NC: Atlanta, GA
2004- Asheville, NC (hometown show)
2006- Cincinnati, OH
2008- Columbia, SC
2009- Chicago, IL x 2 / Ed Vedder- Atlanta, GA x 2
2010- Bristow, VA
2011- Alpine Valley, WI (PJ20) x 2 / Ed Vedder- Chicago, IL
2012- Atlanta, GA
2013- Charlotte, NC
2014- Cincinnati, OH
2015- New York, NY
2016- Greenville, SC: Hampton, VA:: Columbia, SC: Raleigh, NC : Lexington, KY: Philly, PA 2: (Wrigley) Chicago, IL x 2 (holy shit): Temple of the Dog- Philly, PA
2017- ED VED- Louisville, KY
2018- Chicago, IL x2, Boston, MA x2
2020- Nashville, TN
2022- Smashville
2023- Austin, TX x2
2024- Baltimore
RM
First let me just say that they both look ridiculous on your head. This is not the kind of thing I would wear out of the house or office. Let me also say that after listening to them, I give zero fucks how they look.
Now to the important part...the sound. And HOLY SHIT. I am listening to Ten Redux, an album (albeit remixed) that I have heard literally 10,000,000 times since I was 14 years old. There is so much freaking subtlety that I can hear with both of these headphones that I just never heard before. It's like I'm hearing this record for the first time. Eddie asks for spare change in Even Flow? "God bless"? When the fuck did they add that part to the song? How could I not hear that the first 10,000,000 times I've heard this record? Oh, and the bass end...good lord the base...it's just...beautiful. I can literally hear their fingers sliding on the instruments, hear the piano clearly in Black, hear every little high hat closure.
Now the hard part: which one of these glorious devices to keep. The hell if I know.
I was trying to figure out how to set up the player to gapless but couldn't . Now i know why>LOL>I don't think that makes sense that they didn't have that feature right from the get-go. Who wants to listen to a concert with GAPS between EVERY song?
Thanks again.
Nonetheless, here is a fix for that (taken from the ponomusic community site):
After restart you have a few seconds to navigate menus before it shifts to “scanning music library”. Navigate to Settings, and then to “theme”. If you can’t get there in time, just restart and it’ll remember where you were. The goal is to change the theme. That forces a reset, and voila, you’re back in action.
I case you were wondering why you are getting that error, it's probably because you have a file that is not recognized by the player. My issue stemmed from some FLAC files that were encoded incorrectly.
Also, don't fill up your player or microSD card all the way, leave a little on each (I leave about 1GB on each) so that the index file can be written while it's scanning for new music.
Since this shipment requires a signature I want to make sure I'll be around when it's delivered so I'm just trying to get a feel of how long it takes to be delivered once you receive the shipment notification from Pono.
Thanks!
RM
"Oh yeah? Which president's on it?"
"Uh, all of them. They're having a party. Jimmy Carter's passed out on the couch."
Columbus 2000
Columbus 2003
Hershey 2003
Toledo 2004
Cincinnati 2006
Chicago/Lollapalooza 2007
Columbus 2010
Chicago/Wrigley 2013
Pittsburgh 2013
Portland 2013
Cincinnati 2014
Missoula, MT 9-30-12, EV Dallas, TX 11-15-12, EV San Antonio 11-16-12
London, ONT 7-16-13 - Wrigley Field 7-19-13
Charlotte 10-30-13, Dallas 11-15-13, OKC 11-16-13, Seattle 12-6-13
Tulsa 10-8-14, Lincoln 10-9-14, St. Paul 10-19-14, Milwaukee 10-20-14
NYC 9-26-15
Ft Lauderdale 4-8-16, Miami 4-9-16, Tampa 4-11-16, Jacksonville 4-13-16, Pemberton 7-17-16,Wrigley 8-20-16 and 8-22-16
Seattle 8-8-18; 8-10-18, Missoula 8-13-18
Earthlings 2022: Seattle 2-21-222 and 2-22-22, Los Angeles 2-25-22
EV Coeur d’Alene 7-28-23, St Paul 8-31-23 and 9-2-23, Ft Worth 9-13-23 and 9-15-23, EV Seattle 10-23-23 and 10-24-23
RM
"Oh yeah? Which president's on it?"
"Uh, all of them. They're having a party. Jimmy Carter's passed out on the couch."
Columbus 2000
Columbus 2003
Hershey 2003
Toledo 2004
Cincinnati 2006
Chicago/Lollapalooza 2007
Columbus 2010
Chicago/Wrigley 2013
Pittsburgh 2013
Portland 2013
Cincinnati 2014
I missed out on the PJ one but purchased the Foo Fighters LE instead so I could be sure of getting my hands on one in the Oct. time frame. Now December is starting to close out and I'm still waiting. Story of my life...hurry up and wait.
RM