Diamonds are bullshit

They really are. Nothing but a marketing scam created long ago. Spread this to all those young lovers out there.



American males enter adulthood through a peculiar rite of passage -- they spend most of their savings on a shiny piece of rock. They could invest the money in assets that will compound over time and someday provide a nest egg. Instead, they trade that money for a diamond ring, which isn't much of an asset at all. As soon as you leave the jeweler with a diamond, it loses over 50 percent of its value.

Americans exchange diamond rings as part of the engagement process, because in 1938 De Beers decided that they would like us to. Prior to a stunningly successful marketing campaign 1938, Americans occasionally exchanged engagement rings, but wasn't a pervasive occurrence. Not only is the demand for diamonds a marketing invention, but diamonds aren't actually that rare. Only by carefully restricting the supply has De Beers kept the price of a diamond high.

Countless American dudes will attest that the societal obligation to furnish a diamond engagement ring is both stressful and expensive. But here's the thing -- this obligation only exists because the company that stands to profit from it willed it into existence.

So here is a modest proposal: Let's agree that diamonds are bullshit and reject their role in the marriage process. Let's admit that as a society we got tricked for about a century into coveting sparkling pieces of carbon, but it's time to end the nonsense.

The Concept of Intrinsic Value

In finance, there is concept called intrinsic value. An asset's value is essentially driven by the (discounted) value of the future cash that asset will generate. For example, when Hertz buys a car, its value is the profit they get from renting it out and selling the car at the end of its life (the "terminal value"). For Hertz, a car is an investment. When you buy a car, unless you make money from it somehow, its value corresponds to its resale value. Since a car is a depreciating asset, the amount of value that the car loses over its lifetime is a very real expense you pay.

A diamond is a depreciating asset masquerading as an investment. There is a common misconception that jewelry and precious metals are assets that can store value, appreciate and hedge against inflation. That's not wholly untrue.

Gold and silver are commodities that can be purchased on financial markets. They can appreciate and hold value in times of inflation. You can even hoard gold under your bed and buy gold coins and bullion (albeit at a ~10 percent premium to market rates). If you want to hoard gold jewelry however, there is typically a retail markup so that's probably not a wise investment.

But with that caveat in mind, the market for gold is fairly liquid and gold is fungible -- you can trade one large piece of gold for 10 smalls ones like you can a 10 dollar bill for 10 one dollar bills. These characteristics make it a feasible potential investment.

Diamonds, however, are not an investment. The market for them is neither liquid nor are they fungible.

The first test of a liquid market is whether you can resell a diamond. In a famous piece published by The Atlantic in 1982, Edward Epstein explains why you can't sell used diamonds for anything but a pittance:

Retail jewelers, especially the prestigious Fifth Avenue stores, prefer not to buy back diamonds from customers, because the offer they would make would most likely be considered ridiculously low. The "keystone," or markup, on a diamond and its setting may range from 100 to 200 percent, depending on the policy of the store; if it bought diamonds back from customers, it would have to buy them back at wholesale prices.

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Most jewelers would prefer not to make a customer an offer that might be deemed insulting and also might undercut the widely-held notion that diamonds go up in value. Moreover, since retailers generally receive their diamonds from wholesalers on consignment, and need not pay for them until they are sold, they would not readily risk their own cash to buy diamonds from customers.

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Who buys an engagement ring as an investment?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it goes well beyond diamonds ... ever wonder why the cuss gold is so valuable? ... i mean when the world's "economy" is in "crisis" ... gold soars ... like what the cuss are you gonna do with gold? ... you know what's really valuable!? ... fresh water and salt ... that's what ... not gold and diamonds ... people are stupid ...
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,693

    Who buys an engagement ring as an investment?

    Exactly. Whats next? A thread about how we buy dying cut flowers on valentines day?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Never been a diamond-luster. No offense to those who have bought or wear them, but the whole pomp and circumstance of it, the flaunting, I'm not sure of the term...I guess the overall SEE MY FINGER of it. I just don't get it.

    It's like someone saying "Look at this thing! It represents my value."
  • But wait, there's another way to think about diamonds. Geologically, diamonds are about as miraculous as nature can get. Formed from boring old carbon at very high temps and pressures, around 100 miles beneath the surface of the earth, over billions of years. Just the fact that we are able to get to them at the earth's surface is unbelievable. I'm not a big rock and bling gal at all, but I'm a geologist, and when I look at my diamonds I am absolutely blown away by them... I'd much prefer to keep that amazed perspective than believe they're just a marketing scam with no intrinsic value.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    But wait, there's another way to think about diamonds. Geologically, diamonds are about as miraculous as nature can get. Formed from boring old carbon at very high temps and pressures, around 100 miles beneath the surface of the earth, over billions of years. Just the fact that we are able to get to them at the earth's surface is unbelievable. I'm not a big rock and bling gal at all, but I'm a geologist, and when I look at my diamonds I am absolutely blown away by them... I'd much prefer to keep that amazed perspective than believe they're just a marketing scam with no intrinsic value.

    an octopus can change colours to match its surroundings - and we eat them!

    seriously tho - i can appreciate that but there is a lot of rocks that can fall similarily into that vain ... i think the point of this thread is the value society has place on them ... much of which is artificial ... it's fine to find personal value in something but it's another when that value is forced upon us by social constructs and marketing agencies ...
  • JWPearlJWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Diamonds are beautiful and us girls love them especially when they catch the light they look just magnificent.
    Dont forget diamonds are a girls best friend.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    What costs more?

    The diamond for the engagement ring?

    Or the....


    Lawyer for the divorce?
  • hedonist said:

    Never been a diamond-luster. No offense to those who have bought or wear them, but the whole pomp and circumstance of it, the flaunting, I'm not sure of the term...I guess the overall SEE MY FINGER of it. I just don't get it.

    It's like someone saying "Look at this thing! It represents my value."

    Exactly. Or like the diamond (or the size of it) represents the relationship itself.
  • polaris_x said:

    But wait, there's another way to think about diamonds. Geologically, diamonds are about as miraculous as nature can get. Formed from boring old carbon at very high temps and pressures, around 100 miles beneath the surface of the earth, over billions of years. Just the fact that we are able to get to them at the earth's surface is unbelievable. I'm not a big rock and bling gal at all, but I'm a geologist, and when I look at my diamonds I am absolutely blown away by them... I'd much prefer to keep that amazed perspective than believe they're just a marketing scam with no intrinsic value.

    an octopus can change colours to match its surroundings - and we eat them!

    seriously tho - i can appreciate that but there is a lot of rocks that can fall similarily into that vain ... i think the point of this thread is the value society has place on them ... much of which is artificial ... it's fine to find personal value in something but it's another when that value is forced upon us by social constructs and marketing agencies ...
    Which is exactly my point for posting this thread.
  • JWPearl said:

    Diamonds are beautiful and us girls love them especially when they catch the light they look just magnificent.
    Dont forget diamonds are a girls best friend.

    Another scheme brought to you by Marilyn Monroe and the jewelry industry.
  • JWPearlJWPearl Posts: 19,893

    hedonist said:

    Never been a diamond-luster. No offense to those who have bought or wear them, but the whole pomp and circumstance of it, the flaunting, I'm not sure of the term...I guess the overall SEE MY FINGER of it. I just don't get it.

    It's like someone saying "Look at this thing! It represents my value."

    Exactly. Or like the diamond (or the size of it) represents the relationship itself.
    Im not one to flaunt a stone but even to have it hanging by my window to catch the light is pretty, but i think anyone is stupid buying a huge engagement ring with a huge rock on it with the rate of divorce these days, you really need to make sure that your both getting on like fire and ice and cruisy in between.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    yuck! i've never given a diamond to a gal, i have thought about it though
    i am thrilled/grateful i never did

    here is what i think... diamonds are bullshit
    mining companies are bullshit
    wholesalers are bullshit
    jewelers are bullshit
    it is a scam, folks

    sure diamonds, gold, silver, crystal, rubies, emeralds & other fine stones
    are formed over millions of years deep beneath the earth's surface
    all those shifting plates inside the earth bring up the diamonds & whatnot

    if i ever get married
    i'd love having a wife that told me as follows, "fuck no i don't want a diamond ring or earings, let's take that $$$ & go to peru & visit the shamans at the ayahuasca ceremony retreat

    give your lover a turquoise stone on a leather cord
    give a chunk of amazonite with a hole through it to fashion a leather cord necklace

    just my opinion & don't wanna hurt anyone's feelings

    this scam has been going on far to long & has blood stains everywhere
    engagements & engagement rings are completely ridiculous
    while im at it... another bullshit ordeal is weddings

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Chad, please don't sugar coat it. Tell us how you really feel. image
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    ok i will
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    gals wearing a lot of diamonds, gold & other jewelery... wow
    often kind of a sickening feeling over-comes my gut where i retch & blowout a kidney
    a few times though nothing happens as they are decent

    dudes wearing all that crap... holy toledo!
    why didn't their parents beat them silly?
    guys with gold chains, diamonds & bullshit might should be used as bird-feeder holders
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    love is not in, on or around a diamond
    diamonds are not a girls best friend

    whoever came up with that little statement
    should be sent back in time
    to visit 'ivan the terrible' for three weeks at ivan's goodtimes family resort
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JWPearl said:

    hedonist said:

    Never been a diamond-luster. No offense to those who have bought or wear them, but the whole pomp and circumstance of it, the flaunting, I'm not sure of the term...I guess the overall SEE MY FINGER of it. I just don't get it.

    It's like someone saying "Look at this thing! It represents my value."

    Exactly. Or like the diamond (or the size of it) represents the relationship itself.
    Im not one to flaunt a stone but even to have it hanging by my window to catch the light is pretty, but i think anyone is stupid buying a huge engagement ring with a huge rock on it with the rate of divorce these days, you really need to make sure that your both getting on like fire and ice and cruisy in between.
    You know what I hang in the window to catch the light? Stained glass. Much prettier, better colors and designs and far, far less expensive. I also love my clear quartz, rose quartz, labradorite and moonstone.
  • backseatLover12backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited February 2014
    Guys with bling are very questionable indeed.

    Women with bling tend to not be very earthy.
    Post edited by backseatLover12 on
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    those precious or mystcal stones like quartz crystals & rose quartz & whatever else you listed are fantastic
    as you know they have certain properties
    i've felt my quartz crystals go absolutely nuts before as have others
    cool stuff

    in my R front pants pocket are three quartz crystals
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    backseat, for the love of Pete and fuck me with these new quote features! - but I just typed out a whole thing about these little stained-glass candleholders we have, moving one in the sunlight so the colors hit the walls and ceiling - and how our cats go nuts over it. Couldn't get the words out right, backspaced, and then read your post.

    Yeah, I kinda dig bling-freeness :)

  • I should carry my quartz in my pocket but am afraid I'll forget about them and they end up getting lost.
  • Your candle holders sound really cool, hedonist! Can you post a pic?
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    edited February 2014
    i would like to say again that i mean no disrespect & that i am not into crushing people's feelings

    diamonds & bling... stink like a sasquatch farted under the covers & forced one's head under the quilt & up into his rotten hairy crack area. as many of you all know by now, sasquatch don't bathe all that well. swimming isn't using a natural bar of soap

    for sure dudes blinged up gotta go
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    lovely candleholders, hedonist. sounds really nice
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,944
    I don't get the fascination with diamonds either. I would rather spend the money on a down payment for the house, car or college loans. I'm a dude though so my opinion don't matter sh*t.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Sorta like this, but a bit more blue/green in the mix.
    image
    bootlegger, I've heard of some cockamamie standard where a fella is expected to spend several months on a ring.

    That's an emergency fund!
  • I am liking this thread. You guys are preaching to the choir, honestly.... I am a female but am also totally repulsed by our deep need to impress with bling and by the offensive "guidelines" of 2-3 months salary for a diamond engagement ring. Honestly I hate that stuff, completely. You guys should rebel. And I'm not offended. I wear some, but they are low-key, emerald cut... not big sparkly rocks, though if that's what people like, that's fine too. I'm just saying, blame our self-aggrandizing, endlessly posturing, keep-up-with-the-jones culture, but don't blame the diamonds... they are a mineralogical feat...formed under the most narrow and incredible range of conditions. And although there are many other pretty minerals out there (love rose quartz and labradorite too BackseatLover12), diamonds are just fucking miraculous, geologically. Though I guess maybe that's not why people want them.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    If you let yourself be pressured, it's your own fault. Just because a company wants you to buy their product, doesn't mean you have to.

    But this can be said about a lot of things. Seems to me that a ton of people out there expect to go on at least 1 or 2 vacations per year. Think of the money spent there. At least you can sell the diamond later if you need to get the money back.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    polaris_x said:

    it goes well beyond diamonds ... ever wonder why the cuss gold is so valuable? ... i mean when the world's "economy" is in "crisis" ... gold soars ... like what the cuss are you gonna do with gold? ... you know what's really valuable!? ... fresh water and salt ... that's what ... not gold and diamonds ... people are stupid ...

    I agree, but it's only so valuable because people are willing to buy it. Gold has no value to me whatsoever. I wouldn't buy it if it were $10 an oz.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
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