Jimmy Fallon, The Tonight Show

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    Fallon’s Late Night Show was incredible.  The Tonight Show is so bland tho.  I think its the franchise itself and the confines of it.  
    I like it, although will only watch it if I'm genuinely interested in the guests. I like both Fallon and Colbert for very different reasons. It just depends on whether I want total fluff, or some more substance. Fluff isn't always bad, lol. Also, everything pertaining to music is much better on Fallon. I really don't like Colbert's house band, and I think John Batiste is terrible - he's so awkward. Also, I think Fallon on The Tonight Show is waaaaaaay better than Leno on The Tonight Show. I hated that guy.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,059
    PJ_Soul said:
    I didn't give a shit about that episode. I thought the reaction to it was so overblown. Fallon just isn't political and is the happy-go-lucky guy, and that's how he acted. Big fucking deal.
    if you have a political figure on your show, running for president no less, i don't expect bullshit pandering from you. that's lame and weak. he got the backlash he deserved. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    edited June 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    I didn't give a shit about that episode. I thought the reaction to it was so overblown. Fallon just isn't political and is the happy-go-lucky guy, and that's how he acted. Big fucking deal.
    if you have a political figure on your show, running for president no less, i don't expect bullshit pandering from you. that's lame and weak. he got the backlash he deserved. 
    I disagree obviously. It's not his fault that some people laid unrealistic and unjustified expectations on him.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,059
    edited June 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I didn't give a shit about that episode. I thought the reaction to it was so overblown. Fallon just isn't political and is the happy-go-lucky guy, and that's how he acted. Big fucking deal.
    if you have a political figure on your show, running for president no less, i don't expect bullshit pandering from you. that's lame and weak. he got the backlash he deserved. 
    I disagree obviously. It's not his fault that some people laid unrealistic and unjustified expectations on him.
    it's not unrealistic to not make one of the biggest POS to ever run for President as an affable and likable guy. Look, I get that Fallon's role is usually, as we both know, as the clown. However, that's largely why I didn't watch his, or Leno's show. Softball questions to celebrities isn't my cup of tea. I like challenging interviews, like Letterman gave when he felt necessary. Otherwise it's nothing but a commercial for whatever movie or tv show they are selling. doesn't interest me. 
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,880
    Agree, Fallon dropped the ball big time.  
    It's not unfair to expect a real interview of a presidential candidate.
    If Fallon wanted to be the king of empty fluff, he shouldn't have had Trump on his show at all.
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,880
    Why have politicians on your show if you don't/won't get political?
    That's just stupid.

    Fallon is a talented man who could have had a much better career if he wasn't so pathologically obsessed with being loved for mediocrity.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,059
    rgambs said:
    Why have politicians on your show if you don't/won't get political?
    That's just stupid.

    Fallon is a talented man who could have had a much better career if he wasn't so pathologically obsessed with being loved for mediocrity.
    agree. he's a dancing monkey. he's hilarious, but he panders to the crowd. I loved letterman since he didn't give two fucks. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    edited June 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I didn't give a shit about that episode. I thought the reaction to it was so overblown. Fallon just isn't political and is the happy-go-lucky guy, and that's how he acted. Big fucking deal.
    if you have a political figure on your show, running for president no less, i don't expect bullshit pandering from you. that's lame and weak. he got the backlash he deserved. 
    I disagree obviously. It's not his fault that some people laid unrealistic and unjustified expectations on him.
    it's not unrealistic to not make one of the biggest POS to ever run for President as an affable and likable guy. Look, I get that Fallon's role is usually, as we both know, as the clown. However, that's largely why I didn't watch his, or Leno's show. Softball questions to celebrities isn't my cup of tea. I like challenging interviews, like Letterman gave when he felt necessary. Otherwise it's nothing but a commercial for whatever movie or tv show they are selling. doesn't interest me. 
    I just mean that the expectations were unrealistic given Fallon's personality and TV persona. I don't think it's fair to dump on someone for not behaving in a way that he has never and would never behave.
    I like challenging interviews as well (and really love Colbert), but I also like lighter topics as well, if it also manages to be really amusing, and that is often the case with Fallon, but that very strongly depends on who the guests are. That's why I only watch when I know the guest is super good in his or her own right (and/or when he has a really good musical guest of course). Also, I love some of the comedy sketches he does with some of them. He and Brian Cranston do a particularly hilarious ongoing one. There are a few guests that do that with him. Finally, once in a while Fallon will have some kind of fanboy music experience with his rock heros, and he gets so excited that he tells the whole story on his in detail, and I love those stories.
    I do NOT watch Fallon for political interviews, that is for sure. As I said, if he interviewed Trump now and acted like that I'd be appalled. But he did that back when he thought Trump was going to lose, and very likely still thought of him more as a reality TV star. IMO, that pretty much changes everything, taking Fallon's personality and style into account.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,915
    Fallon’s Late Night Show was incredible.  The Tonight Show is so bland tho.  I think its the franchise itself and the confines of it.  
    Conan suffered the same fate. His Late Night show was awesome but his Tonight Show sucked big time. He could blame Jay Leno or whatever else he wants for it. But I am a huge Conan fan who tried out his Tonight Show and quickly chose Letterman over him...like many people apparently did. 
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,337
    Fallon’s Late Night Show was incredible.  The Tonight Show is so bland tho.  I think its the franchise itself and the confines of it.  
    Conan suffered the same fate. His Late Night show was awesome but his Tonight Show sucked big time. He could blame Jay Leno or whatever else he wants for it. But I am a huge Conan fan who tried out his Tonight Show and quickly chose Letterman over him...like many people apparently did. 
    it was good. he had to tone it down from the 12:35 show. he had good ratings with the young audience as his TBS show has had. Don't know about now. But it was the older audience that didn't stay. Didn't help that Jay went on at 10. Show definitely got better toward the end when he didn't give a shit.
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 5,070
    Im biased a tad because Jay was pretty cool to my wife and i in 2011.  We forgave him for the Conan stuff after that. We’re a cheap sell :lol:
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,847
    edited June 2018
    igotid88 said:
    Fallon’s Late Night Show was incredible.  The Tonight Show is so bland tho.  I think its the franchise itself and the confines of it.  
    Conan suffered the same fate. His Late Night show was awesome but his Tonight Show sucked big time. He could blame Jay Leno or whatever else he wants for it. But I am a huge Conan fan who tried out his Tonight Show and quickly chose Letterman over him...like many people apparently did. 
    it was good. he had to tone it down from the 12:35 show. he had good ratings with the young audience as his TBS show has had. Don't know about now. But it was the older audience that didn't stay. Didn't help that Jay went on at 10. Show definitely got better toward the end when he didn't give a shit.


    I actually liked Conan's NBC Tonight Show better than his current TBS show but both pale in comparison to his old Late Nite show.


    I wonder if he has a whole new set of writers at TBS than he had before? The jokes are so lame now.

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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,337
    edited June 2018
    igotid88 said:
    Fallon’s Late Night Show was incredible.  The Tonight Show is so bland tho.  I think its the franchise itself and the confines of it.  
    Conan suffered the same fate. His Late Night show was awesome but his Tonight Show sucked big time. He could blame Jay Leno or whatever else he wants for it. But I am a huge Conan fan who tried out his Tonight Show and quickly chose Letterman over him...like many people apparently did. 
    it was good. he had to tone it down from the 12:35 show. he had good ratings with the young audience as his TBS show has had. Don't know about now. But it was the older audience that didn't stay. Didn't help that Jay went on at 10. Show definitely got better toward the end when he didn't give a shit.


    I actually liked Conan's NBC Tonight Show better than his current TBS show but both pale in comparison to his old Late Nite show.


    I wonder if he has a whole new set of writers at TBS than he had before? The jokes are so lame now.

    not sure how long these writers have been on the show. The guy who plays the cameraman is the head writer. It's probably never going to be at the level of when Louis CK and Robert Smigel days.I know Brian Stack left for Colbert. Sucks that the show is going to 30 minutes next year
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,847
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Fallon’s Late Night Show was incredible.  The Tonight Show is so bland tho.  I think its the franchise itself and the confines of it.  
    Conan suffered the same fate. His Late Night show was awesome but his Tonight Show sucked big time. He could blame Jay Leno or whatever else he wants for it. But I am a huge Conan fan who tried out his Tonight Show and quickly chose Letterman over him...like many people apparently did. 
    it was good. he had to tone it down from the 12:35 show. he had good ratings with the young audience as his TBS show has had. Don't know about now. But it was the older audience that didn't stay. Didn't help that Jay went on at 10. Show definitely got better toward the end when he didn't give a shit.


    I actually liked Conan's NBC Tonight Show better than his current TBS show but both pale in comparison to his old Late Nite show.


    I wonder if he has a whole new set of writers at TBS than he had before? The jokes are so lame now.

    not sure how long these writers have been on the show. The guy who plays the cameraman is the head writer. It's probably never going to be at the level of when Louis CK and Robert Smigel days.I know Brian Stack left for Colbert. Sucks that the show is going to 30 minutes next year

    I heard they were making changes but didn't know that. Is it still going to be on four nights a week or just once a week like that Full Frontal show?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    I kind of like Conan as a person (in the way you do when you don't know them, lol), but I always had a problem with how insanely self-deprecating he is. It's just too much, to the point of being awkward.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,847
    PJ_Soul said:
    I kind of like Conan as a person (in the way you do when you don't know them, lol), but I always had a problem with how insanely self-deprecating he is. It's just too much, to the point of being awkward.

    Awkward and self deprecating is literally his shtick. haha
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    edited June 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    I kind of like Conan as a person (in the way you do when you don't know them, lol), but I always had a problem with how insanely self-deprecating he is. It's just too much, to the point of being awkward.

    Awkward and self deprecating is literally his shtick. haha
    Yeah, it is. I'm not a fan because I don't actually think he's very good at it. I think it's the constant "...Uhhhhh..." that he adds after every single self-deprecating joke. It is awkward and annoying for me. It's a really terrible go-to segue for him.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,847
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I kind of like Conan as a person (in the way you do when you don't know them, lol), but I always had a problem with how insanely self-deprecating he is. It's just too much, to the point of being awkward.

    Awkward and self deprecating is literally his shtick. haha
    Yeah, it is. I'm not a fan because I don't actually think he's very good at it. I think it's the constant "...Uhhhhh..." that he adds after every single self-deprecating joke. It is awkward and annoying for me. It's a really terrible go-to segue for him.
    Well, it worked WAY better for him when he was a 20 or early 30 something nobody back in the early 90's. He's gotta be in his 50's now so it doesn't have the same cache. He used to have cache, baby. He had cache out the ying yang.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I kind of like Conan as a person (in the way you do when you don't know them, lol), but I always had a problem with how insanely self-deprecating he is. It's just too much, to the point of being awkward.

    Awkward and self deprecating is literally his shtick. haha
    Yeah, it is. I'm not a fan because I don't actually think he's very good at it. I think it's the constant "...Uhhhhh..." that he adds after every single self-deprecating joke. It is awkward and annoying for me. It's a really terrible go-to segue for him.
    Well, it worked WAY better for him when he was a 20 or early 30 something nobody back in the early 90's. He's gotta be in his 50's now so it doesn't have the same cache. He used to have cache, baby. He had cache out the ying yang.
    True - I definitely liked him more when he first came on the scene.
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 28,609
    I find Conan's show as funny as slamming my junk in a car door.  I am sure he is a skilled and funny guy, but I can't.
  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,337
    Conan is still at the top of his game
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,059
    I find Conan's interview banter to be funny, but his opening monologue reminds me of something where every joke should be followed by a "nyuk nyuk nyuk"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,192
    I actually didn't even realize he still had a show until this week TBH. :lol: I think I assumed it surely must have been cancelled by now.
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 16,337
    edited June 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    I actually didn't even realize he still had a show until this week TBH. :lol: I think I assumed it surely must have been cancelled by now.
    I have a Conan thread 
    http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/237437/conan/p1
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,915
    That's too bad. I'm not the biggest Fallon fan, but at least he tries to be funny. Colbert just recaps the day in Trump. But people must be into that. 
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 16,189
    I don't often watch these shows, but when I do...it is Jimmy.  He has the best band and tries the funniest shit.
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  • goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowherePosts: 4,505
    When Fallon does games or sketches with guests, he’s usually really funny. He has pretty good musical guests, and The Roots are great.

    But the guy can’t interview for shit. It’s just a constant stream of “I love this guy / you’re the best” fawning and talking over whatever they are trying to say. It’s barely watchable at times.
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  • redrawredraw Posts: 972
    goldrush said:
    When Fallon does games or sketches with guests, he’s usually really funny. He has pretty good musical guests, and The Roots are great.

    But the guy can’t interview for shit. It’s just a constant stream of “I love this guy / you’re the best” fawning and talking over whatever they are trying to say. It’s barely watchable at times.
    Gotta agree with this 
    "That's how you do it" wears a bit thin after a while... 
    The Roots are awesome tho and the main reason I watch!!!
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