Evolution v. Creationism Debate

JWPearl

yes i do actually , gradually on camera,
and evolution doesnt astral travel and see the surpreme one like some have said...

PJfanwillneverleave1

JWPearl said:

yes i do actually , gradually on camera,
and evolution doesnt astral travel and see the surpreme one like some have said...

I have to be that guy that calls you out.
How old is the earth in your mind JWPearl?

hedonist

JWPearl said:

tell me this then,
why do i not see monkeys or the yetty coming out of the bushes and evolving into humans before my very eyes,
i refuse to answer nonsense in evolution

Maybe because you refuse to see? And, it's not a "here I am, watch me evolve!" type of thing.

Shit takes time.

We all take time.

Don't you?

To write it off as nonsense strikes me as nonsensical, or at least willfully blind.

(kinda wanted to avoid quoting the lyric but fuck it - it's evolution, baby)

JWPearl

Well I'd say 6000-7000 years, because 1000years the bibles equivalent of 1 day of Gods and he took 6 days for him to create things and on the 7th day he rested which is for us now, he's still resting you could say if you want to look at it that way,
2 peter 3:8

Last-12-Exit

JWPearl said:

Well I'd say 6000-7000 years, because 1000years the bibles equivalent of 1 day of Gods and he took 6 days for him to create things and on the 7th day he rested which is for us now, he's still resting you could say if you want to look at it that way,
2 peter 3:8

Oh wow. Really?

hedonist

RSR

Thanks for the welcome. I just moved to BC a few years ago. I love it out here. The pace of life is so much slower than out East.

Ok ... JWPearl. I hear you. 1 day is literally is a thousand years. I know the bible reference, but you are missing something. It actually says that one day is LIKE a thousand years to God, and a thousand years LIKE a day. First of all, it's parallelism, which means the meaning is something you don't get from 'just reading it'. You have to decipher it a bit.

And that "like" makes both parts of the statement similes about the nature of God. It's a figure of speech. It isn't stating a fact about the nature of the earth or time. It's really just saying God will act when God acts, so stop worrying so much and start living your life to it's fullest potential.

So where does that leave us? maybe one day is just a day. But then you have a God who makes things way out of order. The sun is made on day 4, but there is evening and morning on days 1-3. And light is made on day 1. But the sun is needed for light, evening and morning. Uh oh. This should be a giant clue that what you see isn't what you get with Genesis 1. The "Truth" of Genesis 1 isn't a bunch of scientific facts. To make it that is to completely miss the point.

PJfanwillneverleave1

RSR said:

Thanks for the welcome. I just moved to BC a few years ago. I love it out here. The pace of life is so much slower than out East.

Ok ... JWPearl. I hear you. 1 day is literally is a thousand years. I know the bible reference, but you are missing something. It actually says that one day is LIKE a thousand years to God, and a thousand years LIKE a day. First of all, it's parallelism, which means the meaning is something you don't get from 'just reading it'. You have to decipher it a bit.

And that "like" makes both parts of the statement similes about the nature of God. It's a figure of speech. It isn't stating a fact about the nature of the earth or time. It's really just saying God will act when God acts, so stop worrying so much and start living your life to it's fullest potential.

So where does that leave us? maybe one day is just a day. But then you have a God who makes things way out of order. The sun is made on day 4, but there is evening and morning on days 1-3. And light is made on day 1. But the sun is needed for light, evening and morning. Uh oh. This should be a giant clue that what you see isn't what you get with Genesis 1. The "Truth" of Genesis 1 isn't a bunch of scientific facts. To make it that is to completely miss the point.

Do you talk like this to people?

JWPearl

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

RSR said:

Thanks for the welcome. I just moved to BC a few years ago. I love it out here. The pace of life is so much slower than out East.

Ok ... JWPearl. I hear you. 1 day is literally is a thousand years. I know the bible reference, but you are missing something. It actually says that one day is LIKE a thousand years to God, and a thousand years LIKE a day. First of all, it's parallelism, which means the meaning is something you don't get from 'just reading it'. You have to decipher it a bit.

And that "like" makes both parts of the statement similes about the nature of God. It's a figure of speech. It isn't stating a fact about the nature of the earth or time. It's really just saying God will act when God acts, so stop worrying so much and start living your life to it's fullest potential.

So where does that leave us? maybe one day is just a day. But then you have a God who makes things way out of order. The sun is made on day 4, but there is evening and morning on days 1-3. And light is made on day 1. But the sun is needed for light, evening and morning. Uh oh. This should be a giant clue that what you see isn't what you get with Genesis 1. The "Truth" of Genesis 1 isn't a bunch of scientific facts. To make it that is to completely miss the point.

Do you talk like this to people?

RSR said:

Thanks for the welcome. I just moved to BC a few years ago. I love it out here. The pace of life is so much slower than out East.

Ok ... JWPearl. I hear you. 1 day is literally is a thousand years. I know the bible reference, but you are missing something. It actually says that one day is LIKE a thousand years to God, and a thousand years LIKE a day. First of all, it's parallelism, which means the meaning is something you don't get from 'just reading it'. You have to decipher it a bit.

And that "like" makes both parts of the statement similes about the nature of God. It's a figure of speech. It isn't stating a fact about the nature of the earth or time. It's really just saying God will act when God acts, so stop worrying so much and start living your life to it's fullest potential.

So where does that leave us? maybe one day is just a day. But then you have a God who makes things way out of order. The sun is made on day 4, but there is evening and morning on days 1-3. And light is made on day 1. But the sun is needed for light, evening and morning. Uh oh. This should be a giant clue that what you see isn't what you get with Genesis 1. The "Truth" of Genesis 1 isn't a bunch of scientific facts. To make it that is to completely miss the point.

You have a valid point, and I believe you are correct in which I have to say that the earth is as old as the history of Adam and Eve and their geological children, so I wouldn't know that, but I've been told many times it's around 6000 years

RSR

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Do you talk like this to people?

Sometimes. It's my academic 'voice' I guess. Too harsh?

JWPearl

RSR said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Do you talk like this to people?

Sometimes. It's my academic 'voice' I guess. Too harsh?

Not at all, but you are correct the earth is built in humans days and not Gods

JWPearl

And dinosaurs existed and we're destroyed in the flood because the bible talks of sea monsters even dying

hedonist

JWPearl said:

And dinosaurs existed and we're destroyed in the flood because the bible talks of sea monsters even dying

And - as most things for me go back to Seinfeld - feel like I'm in bizarro world.

If you could expound on this, would be appreciated.

If not - actually, either way - no big deal.

Energy to be better spent elsewhere.

Elsewho.

RSR

JWPearl said:

You have a valid point, and I believe you are correct in which I have to say that the earth is as old as the history of Adam and Eve and their geological children, so I wouldn't know that, but I've been told many times it's around 6000 years

I was told that too. But the proof of it as a matter of scientific fact doesn't really work. Everything I've read from creation scientists has more assumptions and conclusions than real science. Really, there is about as much scientific proof for God as there are for the existence of giant purple bunnies from outer space somewhere.

However, I found the evidence to support the resurrection of Jesus compelling. You've got four greco-roman biographies that give a 3 dimensional picture of Jesus, and independent sources like the 1st Century historian Josephus -- all point to the resurrection as a fact, not a mass delusion or something like that.

Because I accept the ressurection, I work backwards from there. And the further back you go in the Bible, the less 'evidence' there is for 'proving' whether something 'happened as told', or whether there was some mythological borrowing from the surrounding cultures in order to make theological or philosophical points. This includes the story of the flood and other unbelievable tales. Although, it's interesting that the flood story is echoed in other Mesopotamian cultures, but in a much different way that it is treated in the Bible. It's really interested to study the difference, especially in how the divine is conceived. Anwyay, when you get back as far as Genesis, which was written something like 3000 years ago there simply isn't any corroborative evidence to support it's claims. So to read it as some sort of ancient science textbook or natural history book is really a matter of personal choice. And I'm ok with anyone who makes that choice. But I don't agree with that choice.

oftenreading

RSR said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Do you talk like this to people?

Sometimes. It's my academic 'voice' I guess. Too harsh?

No, not too harsh. You're taking the time you want to explain your point of view.

JWPearl

Sea monsters not creatures is mentioned, 1 genesis 1:20is different to21, job 7:12 again sea monsters

JWPearl

Genesis 1;21 talks of sea monsters swarming swarming fourth then in genesis 7:21 it talks about all things swarming the earth made it clear from the wild beasts and domestic animals and the birds aside

PJfanwillneverleave1

I am out. My head hurts trying to decipher and respond to posts like these.

JWPearl said:

Genesis 1;21 talks of sea monsters swarming swarming fourth then in genesis 7:21 it talks about all things swarming the earth made it clear from the wild beasts and domestic animals and the birds aside

Last-12-Exit

Are you serious? The great flood killed the dinosaurs? Why didn't Noah bring any on the ark?

Bentleyspop

I thought that everyone knew that when god created man she was just kidding