right, but some of your (or mine) vinyls which are new, are already bend, even if we took care of them, just take a look at them when they spin ...
What I find incredible, is that there's many folks here who know a lot about vinyls (I just have to read this thread here to notice that) but nobody have ever experienced or ever read about grooves destructions on poor vinyl records after a few spins ...
Its a good call I think you're trying to make here - that checking tracking force, keeping records clean with proper cleaning kit help maintain the life of our beloved records/vinyls/vinyl/wax/disco biscuits (wait, that's something else!)
it was just a post to say that records are this time way to thin for us to keep them in great condition over the years...
people start to speak about weight, 180g records, other formats available etc.
I know what i'm talking about, and I just wanted to point out something ... but if everyone is OK with the fact that over the years products are less and less wellproducted, OK "i'm super cool, i love vinyl and i'm even cooooleeerrr if I say that i don't give a f... about the quality" ...hum hum...
But what your saying is wrong. A record will not wear out just because the disk is thin. The grooves will wear exactly the same as a "heavier" press.
@2-feign-reluctance : Hello, I think that after 4 pages trying to respond to everyone, trying to stay polite, even with guys believing that i'm a vinyl newbie, even with a guy who told me how to speak english (which is not my language) , even with guys who just like to make fun at me, I have now the right to give up.
You totally do..... although the only thing I've really seen happen here is people not agreeing with your viewpoint, and there is nothing wrong with that.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
so you have a very different point of view than mine.
i have got no problem with people who disagree with me.
it's more difficult with people who don't read the thread carefully and disagree to things I've never said and with people who only stop by to make fun at someone for free.
edit : come on Andy, so nothing to add about that ?? I quitted school at 28, but it wasn't exactly because i needed time to understand things ...
i added my thoughts much earlier in the thread. frankly, i think you are nitpicking and, as others have said, the issue of thin vinyl being a cause of groove destruction isn't one that i'm familiar with. misaligned stylus? yes. heavy tracking? yes. thin records? no. and i like to think that i know some things about spinning vinyl. since you know more than we do, perhaps you could share with us where we can find information suggesting thin records are a cause of groove destruction. mind you, i'm not talking about thin records being more susceptible to warping or damages if they are not properly cared for- if you can't take care of your records, thin or thick, they're going to have issues, and that's on the buyer, not the seller. on that note, i will point you to this website: http://www.recordpressing.com/2010/03/top-ten-vinyl-record-myths-2/
MYTH # 1 You can cut deeper grooves in a 180 gram record than in a thinner record
False. A record press can only produce grooves that are as deep as the cuts in the lacquer master. This depth is far shallower than any record thickness. Consequently, the thickness or thinness of the record has no impact on the depth of the grooves. Considering this, there has yet to be a record made where the two sides of the grooves meet in the middle meaning a thicker record is not necessarily advantageous. However, some artists, producers and consumers prefer the benefits of a thicker record which include reduced warp, less breakage, longer lasting quality, and that the weight of the records make them nicer to hold.
also, whether or not it is your english, your attitude in this thread has been confrontational and accusatory at times, and so the responses you are getting are similar. don't play the victim when people respond with sass when you do the same.
I see someone beat me to it about Myth #1. As I said earlier - a thick vinyl is always a bit steadier on the turntable and a bit more rebust. I doubt if anyone has really bought this to play the hell out of it anyway. Its a collectors piece.
also, whether or not it is your english, your attitude in this thread has been confrontational and accusatory at times, and so the responses you are getting are similar. don't play the victim when people respond with sass when you do the same.
Listen, read the first page, and what happens first.
You paid $55 for music you could already hear in multiple formats. There are a lot of people laughing about that.
Laughing or jealous?
Laughing from this guy, for sure
Page 1 ... and i was so polite before that (and even after that) , and anyway, I hadn't the time to be rude, this guy for example was to fast for me ...
To the average person, 140 gram is not inferior to 180 gram vinyl. Google it.
True, this is not my point here
What exactly is your point? I just weighed my 93 fan club single and it weighs less than the most recent one. Every PJ single released by epic is very thin. Are you trying to say in a roundabout way that PJ is ripping us off by pressing 140 gram instead of 180 gram? I don't see it that way at all. Maybe pressing heavier would have upped the shipping charges?
off topic but does anyone else remember the flexi discs that were in Mad Magazine? those were the bomb...
For a small 7", I don't think so, for a 12" for sure
On a 7" vinyl, weights are quite the same (see the post from our friend who weights them all), and the weight is concentrate mainly on the center parts, not a vinyl part .. the % of vinyl is very small on a 7" if you compare it to the total weight (here excuse my english, difficult to explain, but you see what I'm saying)
Are you trying to say in a roundabout way that PJ is ripping us off by pressing 140 gram instead of 180 gram? I don't see it that way at all. Maybe pressing heavier would have upped the shipping charges?
I don't say that. the center part is always the same. I say that you can't compare weights for 7" vinyl because most of the weight is concentrate on the center part and not on the vinyl part which is too small to weight a lot (whereas it's a big part of the total weight on a 12")
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i should quote here every rude comment, posted without reading anything, posted without knowing anything.
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
When a guy write something like this, i really want to ask him if he can speak spanish, and french , and german, etc...
edit : come on Andy, so nothing to add about that ?? I quitted school at 28, but it wasn't exactly because i needed time to understand things ...
and i'm not exactly new LOL
i have got no problem with people who disagree with me.
it's more difficult with people who don't read the thread carefully and disagree to things I've never said and with people who only stop by to make fun at someone for free.
also, whether or not it is your english, your attitude in this thread has been confrontational and accusatory at times, and so the responses you are getting are similar. don't play the victim when people respond with sass when you do the same.
As I said earlier - a thick vinyl is always a bit steadier on the turntable and a bit more rebust. I doubt if anyone has really bought this to play the hell out of it anyway. Its a collectors piece.
Listen, read the first page, and what happens first.
Page 1 ... and i was so polite before that (and even after that) , and anyway, I hadn't the time to be rude, this guy for example was to fast for me ...
off topic but does anyone else remember the flexi discs that were in Mad Magazine? those were the bomb...
"what is your point , I just weighed..."
please ... : I NEVER TALKED ABOUT WEIGHT
funny
I understand
But, that's right, I only say that they are thinner than ever. that's all. And that's a shame.
for a 12" record, yes, i think so
but, for a 7", most of the weight is from the center parts
I give up, have a great weekend