This is why gun control will fail

unsung

You do understand that the bullets would be found in an X-ray, right?

Or will the bad guys run around shouting "pew-pew"?

jmuscatello

unsung said:

You do understand that the bullets would be found in an X-ray, right?

Or will the bad guys run around shouting "pew-pew"?

You are right unsung, conventional bullets wouldn't pass xray, thanks so much for the peace of mind for my next flight at least. But isn't American ingenuity and Darwinism hard at work finding other objects and materials to shoot from these guns? Coins for example, or home-made plastic and lead combinations that might eventually be perfected enough to pass through?

And your original disgust with de Leon's presentation is what? That he mixes up the technical terms? Or that he puts your beloved ARs in a bad light? That he's just another liberal lawmaker trying to take away our American rights? Do you disagree with the intent behind banning 3D printed firearms?

unsung

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

brianlux

And eyeball acid etching squirt guns. Get 'em outa here!

JonnyPistachio

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

Ban the vagina, it renders most men powerless! This is a weapon not to be taken lightly!



(lol @ pew-pew!)

brianlux

JonnyPistachio said:

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

Ban the vagina, it renders most men powerless! This is a weapon not to be taken lightly!



(lol @ pew-pew!)

It's been taken care of, Jonny:

http://martinisatthebluemax.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/texas-gop-ban-vaginas/

jmuscatello

it's evolution baby!

Cosmo

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

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I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work.
How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission.
If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range.
If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit.
If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle.
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For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks.
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Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.

JonnyPistachio

Texas?! Its gotta start somewhere Brian! lol

Idris

brianlux said:

Cosmo said:

jmuscatello said:

....and it shoots great!
good to know, huh?

Yeah... I don't know why anyone would want to regulate anything like this. Because now, if you want, you can make guns at home and don't have to steal them and waste all that time filing down serial numbers, like in the olden days.
Background checks? We don't need no stinking background checks! Vamanos!

Make guns at home... now there's an idea! Plus that would help solve the population problem in a very Darwinian manner. I once knew a kid who made a pipe bomb and blew he blew his hand off. Probably not the smartest kid in school. On the other hand, many years ago (WHEN I WAS A MINOR, ahem), some friends and I made a cannon that could shoot nails through 1/2 inch plywood. No one ever got hurt. Darwinian success or luck? Well... take your pick. )

I can build a gun at home, but won't...Having said that (and as I've mentioned in other threads) I'm sorta entertaining the idea of building a bazooka for Jason P (at his request).

Don't worry, the Bazooka will only be able to fire off Strawberries, buuut if he wants it to turn deadly no problem, a small modification will have it able to fire High Fructose Corn Syrup mixed with Fluoride. (Yikes)

Idris

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvXAJOiOCWc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY5RYb14mIE

polaris_x

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

...
I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work.
How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission.
If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range.
If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit.
If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle.
...
For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks.
...
Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.

please say it isn't so ...

brianlux

Idris said:

brianlux said:

Cosmo said:

jmuscatello said:

....and it shoots great!
good to know, huh?

Yeah... I don't know why anyone would want to regulate anything like this. Because now, if you want, you can make guns at home and don't have to steal them and waste all that time filing down serial numbers, like in the olden days.
Background checks? We don't need no stinking background checks! Vamanos!

Make guns at home... now there's an idea! Plus that would help solve the population problem in a very Darwinian manner. I once knew a kid who made a pipe bomb and blew he blew his hand off. Probably not the smartest kid in school. On the other hand, many years ago (WHEN I WAS A MINOR, ahem), some friends and I made a cannon that could shoot nails through 1/2 inch plywood. No one ever got hurt. Darwinian success or luck? Well... take your pick. )

I can build a gun at home, but won't...Having said that (and as I've mentioned in other threads) I'm sorta entertaining the idea of building a bazooka for Jason P (at his request).

Don't worry, the Bazooka will only be able to fire off Strawberries, buuut if he wants it to turn deadly no problem, a small modification will have it able to fire High Fructose Corn Syrup mixed with Fluoride. (Yikes)

Let me guess, Idris- is it kind of like one of these?

http://www.instructables.com/id/Marshmallow-gun/

Idris

LMao! Brian, maybe it will be like that, we'll just have to wait and see.

Cosmo

polaris_x said:

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

...
I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work.
How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission.
If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range.
If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit.
If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle.
...
For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks.
...
Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.

please say it isn't so ...

Back in 2007(?), a drone took off from Edwards AFB with a pre-determined mission to blow up a target in the China Lake Naval Weapons Range. While en route, it encountered a possible threat situation (two trucks) on the ground. The drone had to identify the target as friend or foe and determine the overall risk it presented. It had to determine if this new target was of greater stategic value as the initial target of the mission. It had to choose what to do.
The drone set a secondary priority on the trucks and went forward with its primary objective.
The drone proceeded to the original target and destroyed it, but, retained enough ordinaces to destroy the secondary target on its way back to base. The trucks were destroyed and the drone lande back at Edwards.
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The drone made all of the correct decisions. The trucks were not friendly, but did not pose a greater threat than the original target. It figured out what munitions were required to destroy the initial target and what would be required for the secondary target. It also figured out how much fuel it could consume and still make it back to base.
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There are some technologies out there that are both amazing and horrifying at the same time. Right now, the aformentioned drone clusters can replace the existing cluster bombs in the USAF inventory. Cluster bombs are devastating anti-personel weapons used against the infantry soldiers that accompany armored divisions. They are typically carried in the bays of cruise missiles. When deployed, it's like hundreds of hand grenades raining down on you, exploding a few feet overhead to increase the kill zone. The new technologies make it so the grenades can now track you down and chase you til they find, catch and kill you.

unsung

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.

...
I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work.
How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission.
If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range.
If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit.
If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle.
...
For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks.
...
Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.

Someone has played a little too much Grand Theft Auto.

Cosmo

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Cosmo

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

Someone has played a little too much Grand Theft Auto.

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Actually... I think it probably has more to do with the 35 year career in the Military-Industrial Complex. You remember when people said you could never mask something as large as an airplane from radar? Proved them wrong, huh? You can verify the autonomous drone operations by looking up XB-47 UAV in sources such as Aviation Week.
The cluster drone concept is a rather simple idea that was originally proposed by the Chinese government as a way to disrupt U.S. Naval Aviation in a low tech, cheap manner. The Chinese doctrine calls for thousands of swarming drones to fill the airspace around flight operations off their coast. It is very expensive (even for the Chinese) to spin up a naval strike force to rival the U.S. Until they do, they plan to unleash thousands or hundreds of thousands of cheap, small drones to fill the launch zones of U.S. Naval aircraft. These disposable drones would loiter in the forward airspace and as a fighter/bomber passes through, several of the drones will be sucked in to the engine's intake. The drones will carry a relatively small explosive charge that will inflict catastrophic damage to the engine, thus, downing the plane and disabling the threat. The drones are too small and numerous for anti-aircraft fire. It is actually, a pretty cleaver way to defend yourself from naval strike forces, without spending a ton of money.
The U.S. adopted that clustered concept for our own use. We have several grants with universities and private businesses to develop 'Smart Munitions'. They have found that a fringe benefit to clustering munitions is the ability to have real time, widespread surveillence capabilities, too. So, the munitions can actually search out wide areas and destroy threats... or cluster back to a recovery vehicle for re-use.
So, you can see the domestic application by local police authorities, can't you? The drones used by the cops won't have grenades on board, but they will have a camera and the ability to notify a squad car of your whereabouts... if you are a person of interest to them. We are in the R&D phases of early systems, so you will have to wait a few years before you hear about their use in our next Iraq or Afghanistan. We have the autonomous drone phase complete... the last piece is translating that to a smaller, lighter aircraft.

brianlux

Interesting and intense stuff there, Cosmo. No to mention a bit unsettling.

Idris

I'm waiting to hear more about the 'Death Ray'...I sure hope no country gets that working properly, but a few countries are working on it (apparently).