Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.
... I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work. How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission. If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range. If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit. If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle. ... For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks. ... Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.
Yeah... I don't know why anyone would want to regulate anything like this. Because now, if you want, you can make guns at home and don't have to steal them and waste all that time filing down serial numbers, like in the olden days. Background checks? We don't need no stinking background checks! Vamanos!
Make guns at home... now there's an idea! Plus that would help solve the population problem in a very Darwinian manner. I once knew a kid who made a pipe bomb and blew he blew his hand off. Probably not the smartest kid in school. On the other hand, many years ago (WHEN I WAS A MINOR, ahem), some friends and I made a cannon that could shoot nails through 1/2 inch plywood. No one ever got hurt. Darwinian success or luck? Well... take your pick. )
I can build a gun at home, but won't...Having said that (and as I've mentioned in other threads) I'm sorta entertaining the idea of building a bazooka for Jason P (at his request).
Don't worry, the Bazooka will only be able to fire off Strawberries, buuut if he wants it to turn deadly no problem, a small modification will have it able to fire High Fructose Corn Syrup mixed with Fluoride. (Yikes)
Let me guess, Idris- is it kind of like one of these?
Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.
... I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work. How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission. If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range. If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit. If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle. ... For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks. ... Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.
please say it isn't so ...
Back in 2007(?), a drone took off from Edwards AFB with a pre-determined mission to blow up a target in the China Lake Naval Weapons Range. While en route, it encountered a possible threat situation (two trucks) on the ground. The drone had to identify the target as friend or foe and determine the overall risk it presented. It had to determine if this new target was of greater stategic value as the initial target of the mission. It had to choose what to do. The drone set a secondary priority on the trucks and went forward with its primary objective. The drone proceeded to the original target and destroyed it, but, retained enough ordinaces to destroy the secondary target on its way back to base. The trucks were destroyed and the drone lande back at Edwards. ... The drone made all of the correct decisions. The trucks were not friendly, but did not pose a greater threat than the original target. It figured out what munitions were required to destroy the initial target and what would be required for the secondary target. It also figured out how much fuel it could consume and still make it back to base. ... There are some technologies out there that are both amazing and horrifying at the same time. Right now, the aformentioned drone clusters can replace the existing cluster bombs in the USAF inventory. Cluster bombs are devastating anti-personel weapons used against the infantry soldiers that accompany armored divisions. They are typically carried in the bays of cruise missiles. When deployed, it's like hundreds of hand grenades raining down on you, exploding a few feet overhead to increase the kill zone. The new technologies make it so the grenades can now track you down and chase you til they find, catch and kill you.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Currently they are working on light sabers and phasers that can be set to stun. We should ban those too.
... I don't know about that... but, I DO know that advanced research is working on drone clusters for military and police work. How it works is a cluster of relatively cheap, small drones fly as one unit, using one power source. When it encounters a bad guy, it can dispatch one drone to disable (kill) him, while the rest continue on their mission. If it encounters several bad guys, it will dispatch the number needed to neutralize (kill) all of them. Even if they split up into multiple directions, each target wil be chased down by one drone. Think of it like heat seeking anti-personel hand grenades that will lock on to you and explode when it gets withing leathal range. If you run into a building, it will follow you by breaking through a window or blowing up a door so another one can continue the pursuit. If you hop into a vehicle and try to escape, the mother ship can fire an ordinance that can easily catch any surface vehicle. ... For police work, they can chase you and report your position to nearby squad cars. If you can defeat one, you will need to defeat the entire cluster in order to get away. If you pose a threat, a tear gas drone can disable you. Got a gas mask, no problem, a stun grenade will take you down and a taser armed drone will keep you where you are til the cops show up to pound the life out of you with their night sticks. ... Also, these can be flown manually or programmed to operate autonomously. All of this comes about because of the asymetrical tactics being used by smaller bands of opponents, rather than conventional forces utilizing conventional tactics... although these types of weapons will find their way to large theater operations.
Someone has played a little too much Grand Theft Auto.
Someone has played a little too much Grand Theft Auto.
... Actually... I think it probably has more to do with the 35 year career in the Military-Industrial Complex. You remember when people said you could never mask something as large as an airplane from radar? Proved them wrong, huh? You can verify the autonomous drone operations by looking up XB-47 UAV in sources such as Aviation Week. The cluster drone concept is a rather simple idea that was originally proposed by the Chinese government as a way to disrupt U.S. Naval Aviation in a low tech, cheap manner. The Chinese doctrine calls for thousands of swarming drones to fill the airspace around flight operations off their coast. It is very expensive (even for the Chinese) to spin up a naval strike force to rival the U.S. Until they do, they plan to unleash thousands or hundreds of thousands of cheap, small drones to fill the launch zones of U.S. Naval aircraft. These disposable drones would loiter in the forward airspace and as a fighter/bomber passes through, several of the drones will be sucked in to the engine's intake. The drones will carry a relatively small explosive charge that will inflict catastrophic damage to the engine, thus, downing the plane and disabling the threat. The drones are too small and numerous for anti-aircraft fire. It is actually, a pretty cleaver way to defend yourself from naval strike forces, without spending a ton of money. The U.S. adopted that clustered concept for our own use. We have several grants with universities and private businesses to develop 'Smart Munitions'. They have found that a fringe benefit to clustering munitions is the ability to have real time, widespread surveillence capabilities, too. So, the munitions can actually search out wide areas and destroy threats... or cluster back to a recovery vehicle for re-use. So, you can see the domestic application by local police authorities, can't you? The drones used by the cops won't have grenades on board, but they will have a camera and the ability to notify a squad car of your whereabouts... if you are a person of interest to them. We are in the R&D phases of early systems, so you will have to wait a few years before you hear about their use in our next Iraq or Afghanistan. We have the autonomous drone phase complete... the last piece is translating that to a smaller, lighter aircraft.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm waiting to hear more about the 'Death Ray'...I sure hope no country gets that working properly, but a few countries are working on it (apparently).
I'm waiting to hear more about the 'Death Ray'...I sure hope no country gets that working properly, but a few countries are working on it (apparently).
... The U.S. has tried the Airborne Laser System (ref. YAL-1), but it was found to be too cumbersome because of the size of the aircraft needed to house it. It was supposed to be used to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles at/near launch sites, but was deemed impractical for real world scenarios. There were talks of aiming the laser at ground targets, but the aircraft (a 747-400) is too easy to shoot down. We also have already used the Active Denial system in Iraq. That is the HMMWV mounted system that concentrates a heat ray on soft ground targets (people). It is a way to disperse mobs without gunfire. It is similar to the burn you'd get on your hand from holding a magnifying glass over it in the sunlight. Reports from Iraq said the heat was strong enough to melt the plastic parts on cars, such as mirrors and bumpers. If you see on of these showing up at the door of your anti-government bunker https://sp3.yimg.com/ib/th?id=H.4540344360242299&pid=15.1... put your little AR-15 down and come out with your hands up..
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Interesting and intense stuff there, Cosmo. No to mention a bit unsettling.
... Yeah. It is kind of sad we have all of this great technology... and use it to kill each other. A lot of this stuff came out of the urban battle fields of Iraq. A very difficult environment to operate. City streets neutralize heavy armor and dense populations of civilians make air strikes too costly in collateral damages. Strategic planners see these types of 'smart munitions' as a way to fight in the tight confines of city streets and alleys and they would have been extremely useful in places like Fallujah in 2004. You know, necessity is the Mother of Invention... and lots of necessity crops up during times of war. Think about it... we went from the Wright Brothers to the first fighter jets in 40 years... most of the leaps in technological advances during the World War years. Sad... yes.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Interesting and intense stuff there, Cosmo. No to mention a bit unsettling.
... Yeah. It is kind of sad we have all of this great technology... and use it to kill each other. A lot of this stuff came out of the urban battle fields of Iraq. A very difficult environment to operate. City streets neutralize heavy armor and dense populations of civilians make air strikes too costly in collateral damages. Strategic planners see these types of 'smart munitions' as a way to fight in the tight confines of city streets and alleys and they would have been extremely useful in places like Fallujah in 2004. You know, necessity is the Mother of Invention... and lots of necessity crops up during times of war. Think about it... we went from the Wright Brothers to the first fighter jets in 40 years... most of the leaps in technological advances during the World War years. Sad... yes.
It is sad but the idea that some of that technology being used for good in the world is worth hoping for. I don't hold a lot of hope that way but stranger things have happened.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I'm waiting to hear more about the 'Death Ray'...I sure hope no country gets that working properly, but a few countries are working on it (apparently).
... The U.S. has tried the Airborne Laser System (ref. YAL-1), but it was found to be too cumbersome because of the size of the aircraft needed to house it. It was supposed to be used to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles at/near launch sites, but was deemed impractical for real world scenarios. There were talks of aiming the laser at ground targets, but the aircraft (a 747-400) is too easy to shoot down. We also have already used the Active Denial system in Iraq. That is the HMMWV mounted system that concentrates a heat ray on soft ground targets (people). It is a way to disperse mobs without gunfire. It is similar to the burn you'd get on your hand from holding a magnifying glass over it in the sunlight. Reports from Iraq said the heat was strong enough to melt the plastic parts on cars, such as mirrors and bumpers. If you see on of these showing up at the door of your anti-government bunker https://sp3.yimg.com/ib/th?id=H.4540344360242299&pid=15.1... put your little AR-15 down and come out with your hands up..
Ya Mr Cosmo interestingly enough I read an article last year(?) saying that DoD was planning to give The Airborne laser System another go, not sure whats happening with that now or if the article was even accurate.
Totally remember the ADS, I think I even made a thread about it. Funny enough (or weirdly enough) some Police Forces are looking into that weapon-!
Cosmo you bring up an interesting point in your reply to Brianlux
"necessity is the Mother of Invention... and lots of necessity crops up during times of war. Think about it... we went from the Wright Brothers to the first fighter jets in 40 years... most of the leaps in technological advances during the World War years. Sad... yes." -
The Death Ray (concentrated narrow beam of sub-microscopic particles) which originally came from Mr Tesla, came about from his incredible dislike of War. In fact he wanted his Particle Beam to be an 'anti-war' beam. Which to me, shows that great inventions and Ideas can come from a better place in our hearts and not the destructive parts within us.
The Nazis had some amazing things going on, of course their push for technological advancements was overshadowed by their ignorance and their push for death and destruction.
We can truly come up with all these amazing things, but they often come from the greedy parts within ourselves, if our quest for peace and the betterment(?) of the world was as strong as our hunger for war and power, we would be inventing all these amazing things, and not need to kill or destroy in order to create. Our necessities are backwards. No doubt. Sad Indeed. -
and interestingly enough all this talk about beams/light/wavelengths is related to what we've been talking about in the 'paranormal thread', we really don't need to build a machine to charge particles, 'we' are the machines that can charge particles, create our own 'aurora borealis' and all this other incredibly cool stuff...
Now if we can only get the war folks to start doing some yoga and put down the weapons...Buuuut, I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen anytime soon and our advancements will continue via war.
Ya Mr Cosmo interestingly enough I read an article last year(?) saying that DoD was planning to give The Airborne laser System another go, not sure whats happening with that now or if the article was even accurate.
Totally remember the ADS, I think I even made a thread about it. Funny enough (or weirdly enough) some Police Forces are looking into that weapon-!
Cosmo you bring up an interesting point in your reply to Brianlux
"necessity is the Mother of Invention... and lots of necessity crops up during times of war. Think about it... we went from the Wright Brothers to the first fighter jets in 40 years... most of the leaps in technological advances during the World War years. Sad... yes." -
The Death Ray (concentrated narrow beam of sub-microscopic particles) which originally came from Mr Tesla, came about from his incredible dislike of War. In fact he wanted his Particle Beam to be an 'anti-war' beam. Which to me, shows that great inventions and Ideas can come from a better place in our hearts and not the destructive parts within us.
The Nazis had some amazing things going on, of course their push for technological advancements was overshadowed by their ignorance and their push for death and destruction.
We can truly come up with all these amazing things, but they often come from the greedy parts within ourselves, if our quest for peace and the betterment(?) of the world was as strong as our hunger for war and power, we would be inventing all these amazing things, and not need to kill or destroy in order to create. Our necessities are backwards. No doubt. Sad Indeed. -
and interestingly enough all this talk about beams/light/wavelengths is related to what we've been talking about in the 'paranormal thread', we really don't need to build a machine to charge particles, 'we' are the machines that can charge particles, create our own 'aurora borealis' and all this other incredibly cool stuff...
Now if we can only get the war folks to start doing some yoga and put down the weapons...Buuuut, I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen anytime soon and our advancements will continue via war.
"Spectral Beam, sends beams from multiple fiber laser modules, each with a unique wavelength, into a combiner that forms a single, powerful, high quality beam" - I personally love a good spectral beam.
Yeah... that's the thing with laser beams... you just can't seem to get them to extend to a specified distance... like the light sabres in Star Wars. Shouldn't have those light sabres extended far beyong the 4 feet mark? That would have made it really hard to fight.... without destroying everything around you, right? Also... did you ever wonder why the light particles of the light sabres clashed with each other? I mean, shouldn't Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader's 'blades' pass right through each other... like having a sword fight with flashlights? Maybe that Galaxy, far far was really, really far away... like in another universe where the laws of physics are different.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
About the light sabres, I've wondered about them for years (as a kid), and figured that if they were to exist in our time, they would have to be modified with something like a small magnetic plate that is able to stay opposed on the top end, (reversed polarity) keeping it opposed, also the laser would have to bounce off the (magnetic) end with some sort of a coating or material that the laser would be unable to cut through. So just (in away) bouncing back.
When the sabre is turned off, poles switch, and it closes.
As far as the sabres passing through one another, we would have to bring mass to the photons so we can have molecules (a strong molecular structure so the lasers don't pass one another like a flashlight, rather interact) -
Quantum mechanics/quantum physics! - About the light sabres, I've wondered about them for years (as a kid), and figured that if they were to exist in our time, they would have to be modified with something like a small magnetic plate that is able to stay opposed on the top end, (reversed polarity) keeping it opposed, also the laser would have to bounce off the (magnetic) end with some sort of a coating or material that the laser would be unable to cut through. So just (in away) bouncing back.
When the sabre is turned off, poles switch, and it closes.
As far as the sabres passing through one another, we would have to bring mass to the photons so we can have molecules (a strong molecular structure so the lasers don't pass one another like a flashlight, rather interact) -
(I feel like watching Star Wars now)
... Then, if I was Darth Vader, i'd make a suit of armor out of that stuff at the end of the light sabre.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
unless the coating interferes with the electromagnetic energy used for the force, so it would be a trade off, super armor, or lower grade armor but still force friendly.
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The drone set a secondary priority on the trucks and went forward with its primary objective.
The drone proceeded to the original target and destroyed it, but, retained enough ordinaces to destroy the secondary target on its way back to base. The trucks were destroyed and the drone lande back at Edwards.
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The drone made all of the correct decisions. The trucks were not friendly, but did not pose a greater threat than the original target. It figured out what munitions were required to destroy the initial target and what would be required for the secondary target. It also figured out how much fuel it could consume and still make it back to base.
...
There are some technologies out there that are both amazing and horrifying at the same time. Right now, the aformentioned drone clusters can replace the existing cluster bombs in the USAF inventory. Cluster bombs are devastating anti-personel weapons used against the infantry soldiers that accompany armored divisions. They are typically carried in the bays of cruise missiles. When deployed, it's like hundreds of hand grenades raining down on you, exploding a few feet overhead to increase the kill zone. The new technologies make it so the grenades can now track you down and chase you til they find, catch and kill you.
Hail, Hail!!!
Someone has played a little too much Grand Theft Auto.
Hail, Hail!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
The U.S. has tried the Airborne Laser System (ref. YAL-1), but it was found to be too cumbersome because of the size of the aircraft needed to house it. It was supposed to be used to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles at/near launch sites, but was deemed impractical for real world scenarios. There were talks of aiming the laser at ground targets, but the aircraft (a 747-400) is too easy to shoot down.
We also have already used the Active Denial system in Iraq. That is the HMMWV mounted system that concentrates a heat ray on soft ground targets (people). It is a way to disperse mobs without gunfire. It is similar to the burn you'd get on your hand from holding a magnifying glass over it in the sunlight. Reports from Iraq said the heat was strong enough to melt the plastic parts on cars, such as mirrors and bumpers.
If you see on of these showing up at the door of your anti-government bunker https://sp3.yimg.com/ib/th?id=H.4540344360242299&pid=15.1... put your little AR-15 down and come out with your hands up..
Hail, Hail!!!
Yeah. It is kind of sad we have all of this great technology... and use it to kill each other.
A lot of this stuff came out of the urban battle fields of Iraq. A very difficult environment to operate. City streets neutralize heavy armor and dense populations of civilians make air strikes too costly in collateral damages. Strategic planners see these types of 'smart munitions' as a way to fight in the tight confines of city streets and alleys and they would have been extremely useful in places like Fallujah in 2004.
You know, necessity is the Mother of Invention... and lots of necessity crops up during times of war. Think about it... we went from the Wright Brothers to the first fighter jets in 40 years... most of the leaps in technological advances during the World War years.
Sad... yes.
Hail, Hail!!!
Totally remember the ADS, I think I even made a thread about it. Funny enough (or weirdly enough) some Police Forces are looking into that weapon-!
Cosmo you bring up an interesting point in your reply to Brianlux
"necessity is the Mother of Invention... and lots of necessity crops up during times of war. Think about it... we went from the Wright Brothers to the first fighter jets in 40 years... most of the leaps in technological advances during the World War years.
Sad... yes."
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The Death Ray (concentrated narrow beam of sub-microscopic particles) which originally came from Mr Tesla, came about from his incredible dislike of War. In fact he wanted his Particle Beam to be an 'anti-war' beam. Which to me, shows that great inventions and Ideas can come from a better place in our hearts and not the destructive parts within us.
The Nazis had some amazing things going on, of course their push for technological advancements was overshadowed by their ignorance and their push for death and destruction.
We can truly come up with all these amazing things, but they often come from the greedy parts within ourselves, if our quest for peace and the betterment(?) of the world was as strong as our hunger for war and power, we would be inventing all these amazing things, and not need to kill or destroy in order to create. Our necessities are backwards. No doubt. Sad Indeed.
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and interestingly enough all this talk about beams/light/wavelengths is related to what we've been talking about in the 'paranormal thread', we really don't need to build a machine to charge particles, 'we' are the machines that can charge particles, create our own 'aurora borealis' and all this other incredibly cool stuff...
Now if we can only get the war folks to start doing some yoga and put down the weapons...Buuuut, I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen anytime soon and our advancements will continue via war.
This story just came in:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lockheed-martin-demonstrates-weapons-grade-160000135.html;_ylt=A0SO8yk1DOhSrVcAP0dXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEzcWhsZnZxBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDI3MV8x
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So, it looks like airborne laser weapons will be making a comeback.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Spectral Beam, sends beams from multiple fiber laser modules, each with a unique wavelength, into a combiner that forms a single, powerful, high quality beam"
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I personally love a good spectral beam.
Also... did you ever wonder why the light particles of the light sabres clashed with each other? I mean, shouldn't Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader's 'blades' pass right through each other... like having a sword fight with flashlights?
Maybe that Galaxy, far far was really, really far away... like in another universe where the laws of physics are different.
Hail, Hail!!!
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About the light sabres, I've wondered about them for years (as a kid), and figured that if they were to exist in our time, they would have to be modified with something like a small magnetic plate that is able to stay opposed on the top end, (reversed polarity) keeping it opposed, also the laser would have to bounce off the (magnetic) end with some sort of a coating or material that the laser would be unable to cut through. So just (in away) bouncing back.
When the sabre is turned off, poles switch, and it closes.
As far as the sabres passing through one another, we would have to bring mass to the photons so we can have molecules (a strong molecular structure so the lasers don't pass one another like a flashlight, rather interact)
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(I feel like watching Star Wars now)
Then, if I was Darth Vader, i'd make a suit of armor out of that stuff at the end of the light sabre.
Hail, Hail!!!
unless the coating interferes with the electromagnetic energy used for the force, so it would be a trade off, super armor, or lower grade armor but still force friendly.
I like 'yup' also.
is also effective. very effective.
Now excuse me while I go work on my lightsaber blueprints.