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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    polaris_x said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    polaris_x said:

    You guys hear of streetbank.com? it's like a social network for sharing things ...

    Bummer. It's offline.

    yeah ... i was just putting my ice cream maker up and it went offline for maintenance ...
    Making ice cream on this chilly morning? :)
  • riotgrl
    riotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    brianlux said:

    riotgrl said:

    brianlux said:

    rgambs said:

    buy co-op whenever possible, Cabot farms cheese is my newest favorite co-op product. The "seriously sharp" cheddar will curl your toes and the habanero cheese will straighten them back out and leave you quite warm!

    Yes! image We belong to our local co-op and love it. We also shop at our local farmer's market. Nothing beats eating locally grown food that's been fresh picked ripe instead of picked green and ripped off-vine. AND the food is not transported as far- less carbon in the atmosphere! CSA's are great also.

    A little off subject but maybe notice the use of the words "local" (adjective) and "locally" (adverb). Next time you see a billboard that say "Shop Local" get yourself some paint and fix it. image


    Buying co-ops are great and you usually have the power to order in bulk and freeze/can things to last through the winter so you don't have to go outside your 'local' area! I am still enjoying corn and tomatoes from the summer which is a win/win for me and the environment!

    image
    Fresh tomatoes and corn are great but I must confess, I've never had "local". Is it a little bit like rutabagas or closer to kohlrabi ?


    More like kale :P
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    backseatLover12 said:

    polaris_x said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    polaris_x said:

    You guys hear of streetbank.com? it's like a social network for sharing things ...

    Bummer. It's offline.

    yeah ... i was just putting my ice cream maker up and it went offline for maintenance ...
    Making ice cream on this chilly morning? :)
    haha ... no ... i was offering it up as my first item to share ... but i do make ice cream in the winter ... making your own is so easy and waaaaay better ...
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    edited February 2014
    It has to kick ass to be a scientist. No matter what the hell happens it supports global warming, and when it doesn't lets change the name to climate change. Future Weather prognosticators should take notice as there are jobs where they can be 100% right all of the time no matter what. Know need to provide %'s to hedge your bets.

    It is flooding: climate change
    It is a drought: climate chang
    It is really cold: climate change
    It is really hot: climate change
    There are a lot of hurricanes: climate change
    There aren't many hurricanes this year: climate change
    The ice caps are melting: climate change
    The ice caps are expanding: climate change


  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    this planet is an infinite system. we can pollute and increase greenhouse gasses forever because 7 billion humans couldn't possibly have an impact on the planet. or not.

    i do agree it feels disingenuous to label all weather as resulting from climate change, but it is not disputable that periods of climate change experience wild local and global fluctuations in established weather norms.
    it's a no-win situation for both deniers and affirmers.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    bootlegger10 said:

    It has to kick ass to be a scientist. No matter what the hell happens it supports global warming, and when it doesn't lets change the name to climate change. Future Weather prognosticators should take notice as there are jobs where they can be 100% right all of the time no matter what. Know need to provide %'s to hedge your bets.

    It is flooding: climate change
    It is a drought: climate chang
    It is really cold: climate change
    It is really hot: climate change
    There are a lot of hurricanes: climate change
    There aren't many hurricanes this year: climate change
    The ice caps are melting: climate change
    The ice caps are expanding: climate change


    All of the above are examples of local weather conditions. The most basic understanding of climate begins with knowing this: local weather does not equal global climate. The vast majority of scientist, particularly climate scientists readily understand this. No climate scientist with a very basic working knowledge of the field would say any of the above prove global warming (or "climate change"*) and suggesting that what these people do is related to hedging job opportunities... but of course your kidding.

    * The popular arguments against global warming site statistics showing that the earth experiences periods of global cooling- some dips in the curve. This had led some to use the term "climate change". But the overall curve is upward and the commonly accepted scientific term is AGW- anthropogenic global warming.

    Scientist: A kick ass job. Yeah, watching humans fuck up the planet. What a hoot.





    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Interesting.

    http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/great_lakes_added_11_percent_i.html
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    bootlegger10 said:

    It has to kick ass to be a scientist. No matter what the hell happens it supports global warming, and when it doesn't lets change the name to climate change. Future Weather prognosticators should take notice as there are jobs where they can be 100% right all of the time no matter what. Know need to provide %'s to hedge your bets.

    It is flooding: climate change
    It is a drought: climate chang
    It is really cold: climate change
    It is really hot: climate change
    There are a lot of hurricanes: climate change
    There aren't many hurricanes this year: climate change
    The ice caps are melting: climate change
    The ice caps are expanding: climate change


    Don't pretend you have any idea how the scientific process works.


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    unsung said:

    Interesting.

    http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2014/02/great_lakes_added_11_percent_i.html

    That is interesting! I lived on the shores of Lake Erie for two winters and those were cold months! I heard stories of people who walked clear across Lake Erie over to Canada and other stories of people who perished trying to do so.

    But what does any of this have to do with the subject of this thread, "global warming"?

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Not that this will change any minds but just to throw it out there, here is yet another article that explains how skeptics cherry pick statistics to "prove" global warming is not real:

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/01/global-warming-pause-climate-denial-public-opinion

    Global-Warming Denial Hits a 6-Year High

    The latest data is out on the prevalence of global warming denial among the US public. And it isn't pretty.

    The new study, from the Yale and George Mason University research teams on climate change communication, shows a 7-percentage-point increase in the proportion of Americans who say they do not believe that global warming is happening. And that's just since the spring of 2013. The number is now 23 percent; back at the start of last year, it was 16 percent:

    The percentage of Americans who believe global warming is human-caused has also declined, and now stands at 47 percent, a decrease of 7 percent since 2012.

    At the same time, the survey also shows an apparent hardening of attitudes. Back in September 2012, only 43 percent of those who believed that global warming isn't happening said they were either "very sure" or "extremely sure" about their views. By November of last year, that number had increased to 56 percent.

    Overall, more Americans now say they have all the information they need to make up their minds about the climate issue, and fewer say they could easily change their minds:

    The obvious question is, what happened over the last year to produce more climate denial?

    According to both Anthony Leiserowitz of Yale and Ed Maibach of George Mason, the leaders of the two research teams, the answer may well lie in the so-called global warming "pause"—the misleading idea that global warming has slowed down or stopped over the the past 15 years or so. This claim was used by climate skeptics, to great effect, in their quest to undermine the release of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Fifth Assessment Report in September 2013—precisely during the time period that is in question in the latest study.

    As we have reported before, the notion of a global warming "pause" is, at best, the result of statistical cherry-picking. It relies on starting with a very hot year (1998) and then examining a relatively short time period (say, 15 years), to suggest that global warming has slowed down or stopped during this particular stretch of time. But put these numbers back into a broader context and the overall warming trend remains clear. Moreover, following the IPCC report, new research emerged suggesting that the semblance of a "pause" may be the result of incomplete temperature data due to the lack of adequate weather stations in the Arctic, where the most dramatic global warming is occurring.

    Nonetheless, widely publicized "pause" claims may well have shaped public opinion. "Beginning in September, and lasting several months, coincident with the release of the IPCC report, there was considerable media attention to the concept of the 'global warming pause,'" observes Maibach. "It is possible that this simple—albeit erroneous—idea helped to convince many people who were previously undecided to conclude that the climate really isn't changing."

    "Even more likely, however," Maibach adds, "is that media coverage of the 'pause' reinforced the beliefs of people who had previously concluded that global warming is not happening, making them more certain of their beliefs."

    As Maibach's colleague Anthony Leiserowitz of Yale adds, it isn't as though those who were already convinced about global warming became less sure of themselves over the last year. Rather, the change of views "really seems to be happening among the 'don't knows,'" says Leiserowitz. "Those are the people who aren't paying attention, and don't know much about the issue. So they're the most open-minded, and the most swayable based on recent events."

    Journalists take heed: Your coverage has consequences. All those media outlets who trumpeted the global warming "pause" may now be partly responsible for a documented decrease in Americans' scientific understanding.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    brianlux said:


    All of the above are examples of local weather conditions. The most basic understanding of climate begins with knowing this: local weather does not equal global climate. The vast majority of scientist, particularly climate scientists readily understand this. No climate scientist with a very basic working knowledge of the field would say any of the above prove global warming (or "climate change"*) and suggesting that what these people do is related to hedging job opportunities... but of course your kidding.

    * The popular arguments against global warming site statistics showing that the earth experiences periods of global cooling- some dips in the curve. This had led some to use the term "climate change". But the overall curve is upward and the commonly accepted scientific term is AGW- anthropogenic global warming.

    Scientist: A kick ass job. Yeah, watching humans fuck up the planet. What a hoot.

    Funny, because some of the people on this forum who always blaming humans for "climate change" do mention local events as evidence.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    know1 said:

    brianlux said:


    All of the above are examples of local weather conditions. The most basic understanding of climate begins with knowing this: local weather does not equal global climate. The vast majority of scientist, particularly climate scientists readily understand this. No climate scientist with a very basic working knowledge of the field would say any of the above prove global warming (or "climate change"*) and suggesting that what these people do is related to hedging job opportunities... but of course your kidding.

    * The popular arguments against global warming site statistics showing that the earth experiences periods of global cooling- some dips in the curve. This had led some to use the term "climate change". But the overall curve is upward and the commonly accepted scientific term is AGW- anthropogenic global warming.

    Scientist: A kick ass job. Yeah, watching humans fuck up the planet. What a hoot.

    Funny, because some of the people on this forum who always blaming humans for "climate change" do mention local events as evidence.

    That may be so and I like to see where that was done but really a local event (like, say, Hurricane Sandy) in-of-itself is evidence of nothing but a major local weather event. The cumulative odd weather events which are on the increase world-wide are, however, are a good reflection of what is happening to global climate. But the real solid evidence is much larger even than those events. The best evidence is comprised of a large mass of data that has been and is being collected and analyzed, scrutinized, shared and studied by a professional body of people who regard the situation seriously, not, as you suggested earlier, by a group of people who are seeking an easily snagged big paying job.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    still people denying global warming!? ... awful
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    This is fantastic. Because I won't watch the news, a friend sent it to me.

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/02/bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-meet-the-press
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    backseatLover12 said:

    This is fantastic. Because I won't watch the news, a friend sent it to me.

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/02/bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-meet-the-press

    great ... i don't feel as much of a dick for saying the same thing Bill Nye is ... which is educate yourselves people ... stop repeating BS ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    polaris_x said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    This is fantastic. Because I won't watch the news, a friend sent it to me.

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/02/bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-meet-the-press

    great ... i don't feel as much of a dick for saying the same thing Bill Nye is ... which is educate yourselves people ... stop repeating BS ...
    I'm can't see how more than about 0.05% of those who don't believe in global warming really believe that it isn't real and it isn't human caused. I think some people (not saying anyone in particular, no rule breaking here) just like to keep an argument going. Either that or they're trying to entertain us maybe?
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    brianlux said:

    polaris_x said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    This is fantastic. Because I won't watch the news, a friend sent it to me.

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/02/bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-meet-the-press

    great ... i don't feel as much of a dick for saying the same thing Bill Nye is ... which is educate yourselves people ... stop repeating BS ...
    I'm can't see how more than about 0.05% of those who don't believe in global warming really believe that it isn't real and it isn't human caused. I think some people (not saying anyone in particular, no rule breaking here) just like to keep an argument going. Either that or they're trying to entertain us maybe?
    no ... they are getting their info from the same sources as that congresswoman who is on the fucking science committee ... that's just fucked up there ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    polaris_x said:

    brianlux said:

    polaris_x said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    This is fantastic. Because I won't watch the news, a friend sent it to me.

    http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2014/02/bill-nye-marsha-blackburn-climate-meet-the-press

    great ... i don't feel as much of a dick for saying the same thing Bill Nye is ... which is educate yourselves people ... stop repeating BS ...
    I'm can't see how more than about 0.05% of those who don't believe in global warming really believe that it isn't real and it isn't human caused. I think some people (not saying anyone in particular, no rule breaking here) just like to keep an argument going. Either that or they're trying to entertain us maybe?
    no ... they are getting their info from the same sources as that congresswoman who is on the fucking science committee ... that's just fucked up there ...
    It sure seemed like she was just reciting garbage plucked off cue cards. She didn't seem in the least very serious about what she was spouting. Just bad acting I'd say. And those "scientist" (as we well know) are just hacks for the oil industry.



    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    What was so confounding to me in that interview on Meet the Press, was what Nye said to that Rep. Congresswoman from TN: "You are our leader," he said to Blackburn. "We need you to change things, not deny what's happening." And that's what our leaders do. Instead of lead, they deny and step backwards.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    also doesn't help when al roker is still pushing that there isn't a consensus ... :-q

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