Why did 10c number the pop-up Bennys separately?

dancinacrossthewater

...if they are still from the original pressing of 2000?

This is an example of how it's very difficult not to acknowledge that 10c is encouraging a value-based collector's mentality, as opposed to a pure collector mentality. Giving the popup Bennys separate numbering only serves to further highlight the rarity and value of the original distribution. Given that all Bennys are from the same run of 2000, this is a needless distinction to my mind.

I'm not here to trash the 10c. They've been excellent and accommodating in many other areas. But this kind of thing drives up the secondary market..

PJammer4life

I guess if one was bought to play it wouldn't matter, but this shows it was bought only to be flipped if it ends up on ebay..and buyer knows seller only paid $350.

2-feign-reluctance

Copies given to the band, etc
Clearly stated that some were also packaging defects if I read right.

pdalowsky

Because more than 2000 were made would be my guess. These were extras probably made for a variety of reasons at the same time as the first run

If the 2000 numbers are all taken what else can they do ?

It's better they are now out there as opposed to sitting in storage

2-feign-reluctance

pdalowsky wrote:

Because more than 2000 were made would be my guess. These were extras probably made for a variety of reasons at the same time as the first run

If the 2000 numbers are all taken what else can they do ?

It's better they are now out there as opposed to sitting in storage

and up on a turntable somewhere....maybe....

Pjdreamer

I was just looking at one of these that's on ebay that is numbered pop 13. It looks terrible they used a real fat marker to number it. They should leave them as is and not mess with them.

juddboz80

I'm sure they pressed more than the original 2000

endless-nameless

juddboz80 wrote:

I'm sure they pressed more than the original 2000

I'm sure they did too, making the original run of 2000 more desirable

tempo_n_groove

endless-nameless wrote:

juddboz80 wrote:

I'm sure they pressed more than the original 2000

I'm sure they did too, making the original run of 2000 more desirable

Or you could have the debate that only 60 were from this event. I would think that if you are a purist then the OG 2000 are the way to go. If you want a benny, then this IS the way to go.

It will be interesting though.

Popcorn please!

:corn:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

According to Tim, these were part of the bands collection.the band was doing nothing with them and since the original
Benaroya show was for charity, they decided this is the perfect opportunity to sell them and raise more money. They had 56 plus 4 more which are going to be raffled off at some point if they didn't do it yesterday. These are part of the original 2000

2-feign-reluctance

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan wrote:

According to Tim, these were part of the bands collection.the band was doing nothing with them and since the original
Benaroya show was for charity, they decided this is the perfect opportunity to sell them and raise more money. They had 56 plus 4 more which are going to be raffled off at some point if they didn't do it yesterday. These are part of the original 2000

There you go. That's what I read in another thread.

whofeelslikeadrank

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan wrote:

According to Tim, these were part of the bands collection.the band was doing nothing with them and since the original
Benaroya show was for charity, they decided this is the perfect opportunity to sell them and raise more money. They had 56 plus 4 more which are going to be raffled off at some point if they didn't do it yesterday. These are part of the original 2000

There you go. That's what I read in another thread.

+1

dancinacrossthewater

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan wrote:

According to Tim, these were part of the bands collection.the band was doing nothing with them and since the original
Benaroya show was for charity, they decided this is the perfect opportunity to sell them and raise more money. They had 56 plus 4 more which are going to be raffled off at some point if they didn't do it yesterday. These are part of the original 2000

Ok, but this doesn't address the question. I know they're part of the original 2000 - so why not number them as such?

TC282314

Why does it matter if its numbered POP X? Seems it would only matter for re-sale value. I'm confused why this is even a discussion seeing it was never issued with intent for others to re-distribute.

Just enjoy it. If i'm missing something let me know. I won't understand the PJ is supporting a secondary market argument so give me something else. Look at backspacer. Seems they made enough for everyone because of previous demand and now they can't sell their stock at 15$. They don't produce enough and then they produce to many.

In summary who cares how its numbered?

deftones

dancinacrossthewater wrote:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan wrote:

According to Tim, these were part of the bands collection.the band was doing nothing with them and since the original
Benaroya show was for charity, they decided this is the perfect opportunity to sell them and raise more money. They had 56 plus 4 more which are going to be raffled off at some point if they didn't do it yesterday. These are part of the original 2000

Ok, but this doesn't address the question. I know they're part of the original 2000 - so why not number them as such?

Cause they are made for flipping only

En La Clandestinidad

TC282314 wrote:

Why does it matter if its numbered POP X? Seems it would only matter for re-sale value. I'm confused why this is even a discussion seeing it was never issued with intent for others to re-distribute.

Just enjoy it. If i'm missing something let me know. I won't understand the PJ is supporting a secondary market argument so give me something else. Look at backspacer. Seems they made enough for everyone because of previous demand and now they can't sell their stock at 15$. They don't produce enough and then they produce to many.

In summary who cares how its numbered?

Seriously?? I just want the record!!! I don't care if it had numbers letters or Eds face in that box. Wish they re-release it in black simple vinyl!

deftones

Brew Crew Tix wrote:

Seriously?? I just want the record!!! I don't care if it had numbers letters or Eds face in that box. Wish they re-release it in black simple vinyl!

Better Dan

deftones wrote:

Brew Crew Tix wrote:

Seriously?? I just want the record!!! I don't care if it had numbers letters or Eds face in that box. Wish they re-release it in black simple vinyl!

mfc2006

Better Dan wrote:

deftones wrote:

Brew Crew Tix wrote:

Seriously?? I just want the record!!! I don't care if it had numbers letters or Eds face in that box. Wish they re-release it in black simple vinyl!

Bingo. I simply can't justify spending that much money on a record...no matter how much I want to spin it.

Leezestarr313

Yes, reissue it already! Make it to order, give the money to charity. Pack it simple, press it in black. We all just want to spin it. Leave the wine coloured thing to the collectors... Make a vinyl lover edition!

Better Dan

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Yes, reissue it already! Make it to order, give the money to charity. Pack it simple, press it in black. We all just want to spin it. Leave the wine coloured thing to the collectors... Make a vinyl lover edition!

That would be a great way to help YouthCare!!!

dancinacrossthewater

TC282314 wrote:

Why does it matter if its numbered POP X? Seems it would only matter for re-sale value. I'm confused why this is even a discussion seeing it was never issued with intent for others to re-distribute.

Just enjoy it. If i'm missing something let me know. I won't understand the PJ is supporting a secondary market argument so give me something else. Look at backspacer. Seems they made enough for everyone because of previous demand and now they can't sell their stock at 15$. They don't produce enough and then they produce to many.

In summary who cares how its numbered?

Right...I respect this viewpoint. If it really doesn't matter how it's numbered, and 10c seriously never had any expectations that this would be redistributed and the value upon re-distribution would be raised, it seems they would have gone the simple route and numbered all Bennys in the most straightforward manner - that is, with simple numbers. Assigning some Bennys a POP12 or POP13 is drawing a distinction between these ones and the ones which were originally sold in 2004 or whatever - which again, encourages value-based distinctions.

I'm just saying be consistent. If it's just about listening and the music, number them in the most straightforward way, and yeah, by all means re-press on black vinyl! Tons of people would buy it, as evidenced by this thread. But if you're going to employ a more complex numbering system based on when the item was sold, acknowledge that you're implicitly encouraging a value-based collectors' mentality.

deftones

Leezestarr313 wrote:

Yes, reissue it already! Make it to order, give the money to charity. Pack it simple, press it in black. We all just want to spin it. Leave the wine coloured thing to the collectors... Make a vinyl lover edition!

Bring early Christmas for all vinyl lover 10C!

pdalowsky

I couldn't care less what the number says , it's a sealed Benny set worth exactly what the others are. It's the same item

theserialthrilla

Repress it on black vinyl and send it out as the Xmas single. :shock: then no one can bitch



Owww wait someone will

tp266452

when you order LPs to be pressed you usually get more than you ordered

the pressing plant quotes you for say 2000 but then they buy enough vinyl pellets and have enough stampers to make enough so that you get at least as many you ordered that pass QC. its not uncommon to get an extra 10% of what you ordered if there were very few problems with the pressing. and once they have everything set up to press your album its not much time or effort to press some extras.

this is just for the discs i dont think its quite the same on the paper products (all the packaging) for all i know maybe they did have to order some extra boxes etc and just submitted the same design, but maybe not

it should be noted the pop up ones were shrink wrapped after being numbered POP13

pdalowsky

tp266452 wrote:

when you order LPs to be pressed you usually get more than you ordered

the pressing plant quotes you for say 2000 but then they buy enough vinyl pellets and have enough stampers to make enough so that you get at least as many you ordered that pass QC. its not uncommon to get an extra 10% of what you ordered if there were very few problems with the pressing. and once they have everything set up to press your album its not much time or effort to press some extras.

this is just for the discs i dont think its quite the same on the paper products (all the packaging) for all i know maybe they did have to order some extra boxes etc and just submitted the same design, but maybe not

it should be noted the pop up ones were shrink wrapped after being numbered POP13

there is usually a small incision in the wrap to write underneath the shrink wrap

tp266452

pdalowsky wrote:

tp266452 wrote:

when you order LPs to be pressed you usually get more than you ordered

the pressing plant quotes you for say 2000 but then they buy enough vinyl pellets and have enough stampers to make enough so that you get at least as many you ordered that pass QC. its not uncommon to get an extra 10% of what you ordered if there were very few problems with the pressing. and once they have everything set up to press your album its not much time or effort to press some extras.

this is just for the discs i dont think its quite the same on the paper products (all the packaging) for all i know maybe they did have to order some extra boxes etc and just submitted the same design, but maybe not

it should be noted the pop up ones were shrink wrapped after being numbered POP13

there is usually a small incision in the wrap to write underneath the shrink wrap

thats what i lead to believe but i didnt notice one on this one, and it wasnt the loosest shrink wrap i have ever seen but it definitely wasnt tight, it seems to me it was (possibly re-)shrink wrapped after they numbered it

High Fidelity 2000

PJammer4life wrote:

I guess if one was bought to play it wouldn't matter, but this shows it was bought only to be flipped if it ends up on ebay..and buyer knows seller only paid $350.

I don't get that... as opposed to one that's not from the pop up sale, where the buyer knows the seller only paid $40?! (or whatever it cost in 2003). Yeah I know some people bought them for hundreds even after 2003... but we all know the original was $1000 or 800 or even 350... the value has gone up. If someone waited in line in the cold to buy a POP13 version, and they put it on ebay, what does it matter?

PJ_Soul

I dunno - who cares?? The more Benny's out there the better!

Now, did anyone grab an extra that I can buy at face??

Dr. Delight

Holy shit, people.