LostProphets - Ian Watkins

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moses-i wrote:

With the same respect, I don't quite understand your mental illness argument......... Understanding criminals and particularly pedophiles is important but arguably useless because sexually active pedophiles (possibly the most seasoned and gifted psychopaths you would ever encounter) are skilled at manipulation and hiding themselves (which is why we always find them in the most unexpected and often sacred places). I think my problem (and some other peoples' issue with your argument) is that it comes off as trying to "explain" Ian Watkins. You take issue with him being labelled as "evil" and a "monster" just as some people take issue with your belief that he is essentially "disordered". Many people are disordered: schizophrenics, people with bipolar disorder, Kanye West (sorry had to throw in a bit of a joke); most of these people work very hard to manage their disorders and are functional, contributing members of society.

My issue with those terms is that it's the type of thing you would read in the Sun or the Daily Mail, emotive words to describe a person or situation in place of actually trying to understand how a person could do something so amoral. Often times in these situations people say they had their suspicians, bringing attention to such a taboo subject is absolutely useful.

I'm not trying to explain him, I know very little about his personal life, my point is that there will be an intricate set of factors that led him to his behaviour, and it could only be a positive thing to try and identify some of these factors with the hope that this understanding could lead to future prevention.

I don't think he is simply 'disordered', I think he likely has any number of disorders, almost certainly narcissistic personality disorder. I don't think it's particularly useful to compare his case with a functioning schizophrenic......

moses-i wrote:

I don't think this man was a victim of his environment (same goes for the two little monsters who killed that poor boy so many years ago in the UK) however, his female co-conspirators may have been or like Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo it may just be a case of the devil knowing his own.

Why wouldn't he be a victim of his environment? Maybe, like many sex offenders, he was secretly abused himself as a child? We don't know that. Maybe the fame he found greatly exacerbated his already narcissistic personality and combined with his increasing lust for more and more depraved sex.

Environment can have a profound effect on people's actions, you only have to look at any number of atrocities that have been commited in wars around the world to know that seemingly ordinary people from all kinds of backgrounds, can, given certain circumstances, commit the most heinous acts.

None of this, no matter how much understanding, excuses him for the crimes he has commited.

Loulou

I do totally agree that he should be thoroughly assessed to delve into possible reasons for his behaviour, your right, it could help in spotting future cases. Although, i don't know that any past abuse really excuses or even really creates an abuser because I know plenty of people who were abused who don't act out the way he has done. It would be interesting to look into why past abuse can effect some and not others that way.

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Loulou wrote:

I do totally agree that he should be thoroughly assessed to delve into possible reasons for his behaviour, your right, it could help in spotting future cases. Although, i don't know that any past abuse really excuses or even really creates an abuser because I know plenty of people who were abused who don't act out the way he has done. It would be interesting to look into why past abuse can effect some and not others that way.

Just to clarify, past abuse does not excuse his behaviour, it might help to explain, but it doesn't in any way justify what he's done. With respect, I think we need to look past comparisons with people we know etc, yes they might share a history of abuse, but the rest of their life experiences/biological makeup will be completely different.

badbrains

WOW!!! WTF!! This guys a complete waste of a human. You know, he's NO HUMAN! What a fucken animal. What the fuck is going on with the human race! Jesus. Unfuckenreal. Fucken scumbag :twisted:

goldrush

Brief statement from Lostprophets:

http://instagram.com/p/hX6dbqxlsh/#

Digital Twilight

Sickening read

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lo ... ed-2870635

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Digital Twilight wrote:

Sickening read

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lo ... ed-2870635

So grim, just when you think this story couldn't get any worse, more details come out.......

To be fair, I remember reading accusations about him and his interest in underage girls a couple of years ago on some gossip message board, I guess I just presumed it was made up gossip. It's crazy that his ex girlfriend went to the police FOUR years ago and they did nothing about it, truly shocking stuff.

jasonbouchard88

Ian Watkins has been sentenced to 35 years in jail for his crimes. Good f*****' riddance!

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2013/12/18/21 ... story.html

DewieCox

jasonbouchard88 wrote:

Ian Watkins has been sentenced to 35 years in jail for his crimes. Good f*****' riddance!

http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2013/12/18/21 ... story.html

Seen that and about threw my ipad across the room. Scumbag needs to go away forever. Put a bullet in his head or chain him to a wall in the basement of a prison.

JimNastics

I give it a couple of a months before we hear that he has been utterly fucked up beyond all recognition in prison... at least I hope so. I think what is coming to him is going to be brutal beyond words. I'm sure he'll take the cowards way out at some point in the next few years.

cp3iverson

I absolutely support torture and/or the death penalty in cases like this.

Loulou

He's not a man, he's a fucking monster. Has to take the cake for most nastiest piece of work I've ever read about. How on earth could someone become that way????

goldrush

It's not as straightforward as 35 years unfortunately:

http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2013/12/19/disgraced-lostprophets-frontman-receives-35-year-sentence/

He's been given a 29 year sentence with six years on licence and will be eligible parole after serving two thirds of his sentence. I hope they are 29 very painful years.

The link above also says that he's still eligible to receive royalties as his offences don't relate to his music. I can't imagine anyone buying his music now (I deleted fakesoundofprogress from my laptop out of disgust) but their songs are played during the news coverage.

Eraserhead

I hope anyone who's been a victim of his actions has the courage to come forward now. The BBC news report stated that he had 29 TERABYTES of data on his computer. This is beyond fucked up.

pdalowsky

Its likely he'll be free in 20 years and then spend the last 15 on licence, but still 20 years is a long time and he will be coming out an old man, and rightly so.

The really sickening thing is he was quoted as saying he 'didn't know what all the fuss was about, and he was till LOLz about it all'.....WTF

Pingfah

JimNastics wrote:

I give it a couple of a months before we hear that he has been utterly fucked up beyond all recognition in prison... at least I hope so. I think what is coming to him is going to be brutal beyond words. I'm sure he'll take the cowards way out at some point in the next few years.

British jails are nowhere near as dangerous as US jails in this respect.

hostis

Pingfah wrote:

JimNastics wrote:

I give it a couple of a months before we hear that he has been utterly fucked up beyond all recognition in prison... at least I hope so. I think what is coming to him is going to be brutal beyond words. I'm sure he'll take the cowards way out at some point in the next few years.

British jails are nowhere near as dangerous as US jails in this respect.

I cant take a direct comparison on a US prison as I have never been in one but I know for a fact that a certain Sex Offenders wing in a cat A prison in the UK is no where I would EVER like to be near again.

but then again it shouldn't be good or fun. it makes me sick.

cp3iverson

Too bad this didnt happen in a country where they just take you outside and execute you. He doesnt deserve to breathe oxygen. The fact that he can get out is sickening. Cases like this should be the death penalty. You cant exist with other humans.

Indifference71

pdalowsky wrote:

Its likely he'll be free in 20 years and then spend the last 15 on licence, but still 20 years is a long time and he will be coming out an old man, and rightly so.

The really sickening thing is he was quoted as saying he 'didn't know what all the fuss was about, and he was till LOLz about it all'.....WTF

The fact that he will be able to live in the free world again is so fucked up that I don't even know what to say. Fucking disgusting.

EarlWelsh

Any news on the mothers of the small children who also took part in their abuse?