and this is why it will only get worse ... let's just point to where its shit elsewhere so we can ignore what's clearly in front of us ...
as in the knockout game? A handfull of people get knocked out and it's a sign of racial war?
An electrician I work with lived on 8-mile as a kid during the Detroit race riots. His dad gave him a steel rod to hide up his sleeve for protection when he sent him off to school. That was late 60's. To say we are regressing is nuts.
(edit: maybe using a city that currently needs an actual robocop isn't the perfect example ... :think:)
no, polaris, I believe, is pointing to the fact that you said "it's much worse elsewhere", which would then bring someone to assume that means you are dismissing the problem here.
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"In other words, while aboriginal people in Canada comprise just four per cent of the population, in federal prisons nearly one in four is Métis, Inuit, or First Nations."
I was referring to the Toronto Star's statistical analysis for establishing my position.
The statistics you present seem more likely given what I know.
So...
1. Aboriginal people comprise a disproportionate percentage of our prison population in Canada.
2. Black people comprise a disproportionate percentage of the prison population in the US.
Hmmm...
Both demographics were exploited and abused in the formative stages of each country. Both demographics deal with poverty more than 'other' demographics.
Both demographics were exploited and abused in the formative stages of each country. Both demographics deal with poverty more than 'other' demographics.
Is there not an obvious correlation?
obvious to those of us who don't think guns are the solution.
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My issue is that if this was a group of white kids doing it to blacks it would be all over the news. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be calling for the kids heads.
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My issue is that if this was a group of white kids doing it to blacks it would be all over the news. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be calling for the kids heads.
Yep
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
My issue is that if this was a group of white kids doing it to blacks it would be all over the news. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be calling for the kids heads.
Exactly why concealed carry should be available and legal.
I just watched a story on you tube about a punk that tried that crap on guy with a C&C little asshole got shot twice and two years in prison while the shooter walked clean.
My issue is that if this was a group of white kids doing it to blacks it would be all over the news. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be calling for the kids heads.
Exactly why concealed carry should be available and legal.
I just watched a story on you tube about a punk that tried that crap on guy with a C&C little asshole got shot twice and two years in prison while the shooter walked clean.
Godfather.
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Can you post a link to that YouTube video? I'd like to see it.
Thanx.
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This so-called knockout game scenario is nothing more than a ‘FEAR’ tactic to get people racially motivated to back their position in pressuring lawmakers. They tried this tactic back in 2005. Every time the NRA wants to up its gun policy, it creates a ‘FEAR’ scenario wherein ‘Blacks’ are attacking white people in the Streets and we fall into the whole blacks vs. white crime debate.
The NRA wants a national policy that allows people to ‘openly carry’ firearms. Their test site is Chicago. Their target cities are Chicago, New York, and LA. These 3 cities are supposed to be the Best of the Best of law enforcement. This whole policy of having citizens ‘openly carry’ firearms undercuts our whole law enforcement system.
The major problem with re-creating this ‘FEAR’ tactic is that the NRA is placing the lives of law enforcement officers in danger as evidence by the rise in officer shootings, because every crime that is labeled as ‘black’ now seems to carry a life sentence. Look at the people serving life-long sentences for marijuana and look at the Mayor of DC, Mayor Toronto, and Rep. from Florida all free with an apology to do better.
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SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
A long article so here are some excerpts (it's a good article worth reading in it's entirety):
Don't Believe All the Media Hype About the 'Knockout Game'
So today for the umpteenth time we saw another news story, designed to cause mass hysteria with solemn sounding anchors telling us to be on "high alert" for roving gangs of black youth participating in this nationwide trend called "The Knockout Game."
These news stories from coast to coast end with the reporters telling us two people have been killed by what police think MAY have been a version of the Knockout Game. We are left concluding that we no longer need to fear terrorists organizations like al Qaeda, but instead be wary of marauding black youth. The message is when you see them, run. Why? Because they are gonna knock you out.
It's important that folks not get caught up in the hype of the Knockout Game without putting it in historical, social and political context. First let's be clear in understanding what this is: the Knockout Game is ASSAULT. And when a group of people are "targeting people at random" to assault them, that is basically another form of BULLYING.
Are assaults and bullying acceptable? Absolutely not. Should we be concerned? Of course. But let's be honest when reporting on this type of anti-social behavior. Yes, there are crimes that occur. Yes, there are innocent folks who get attacked, robbed, etc. But this is not what's being reported. Many in the media are making it appear as if this is some sort of game spreading like wild fire from coast to coast. It's simply not true. The fact that they are taking any crime and calling it part of Knockout Game trend is akin to when the police label every crime in certain communities "gang related."
The nationwide hype of the Knockout Game is designed to get us hysterically upset, fearful and angry resulting in us embracing policies and laws that will soon be proposed that justify racial profiling designed to protect us (translation: protect good white folks from out of control black and brown mobs).
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I read the entire article you linked to. Why is "race" the central organizing feature? I read the part about how many of the assailants have been black, but isn't it a little presumptuous (and racist) - without more - to suggest that the race of assailants has any more to do with it than just being a violent asshole?
Other than the fact that several of the crimes involved black aggressors, what evidence is there that is race "a central and organizing feature?"
I don't think anyone is saying the game doesn't exist. I think the concern comes when we go from being concerned about violence to concluding that the violence is somehow "centrally organized" by the person's race. If there's evidence of it, great. Link to it. But a simple google search on the topic shows that it's far from clear that the aggressors' being black is any more a cause than the aggressors being assholes.
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very quickly found just one tad bit of information on this subject.
(According to America Community Survey.)
A black male born in 1991 has a 29% chance of spending time in prison at some point in his life.2
Nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.
One out of nine African American men will be incarcerated between the ages of 20 and 34.
Black males ages 30 to 34 have the highest incarceration rate of any race/ethnicity.
I'd say 29-33% is more than 'miniscule'
There's a whole argument about what these statistics mean. Do convictions or prison sentences mean that the offender is inherently more violent than his/her white counterparts?
Would it surprise to know that blacks are sentenced to harsher sentences (including prison terms) far more frequently than whites convicted of the same crime?
It's fine to quote statistics about the number of convicted/imprisoned African-American men in the US. But know that there is a significant body of evidence suggesting that there's far more to the story than just concluding that a third of black males are criminals.
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My issue is that if this was a group of white kids doing it to blacks it would be all over the news. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would be calling for the kids heads.
Yep
So what? Isn't that exactly what the conservative media is doing with this? The only difference is that you're being whipped up to support some lobby organization's agenda...
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Exactly why concealed carry should be available and legal.
I don't understand. The game is to sneak up on someone and sucker punch them unconscious. How would a gun help in that scenario?
Sounds to me like you'd end up with a 'responsible' gun owner ko'd on the street, and a group of thugs who now have access to a firearm....
I read the entire article you linked to. Why is "race" the central organizing feature? I read the part about how many of the assailants have been black, but isn't it a little presumptuous (and racist) - without more - to suggest that the race of assailants has any more to do with it than just being a violent asshole?
Other than the fact that several of the crimes involved black aggressors, what evidence is there that is race "a central and organizing feature?"
I don't think anyone is saying the game doesn't exist. I think the concern comes when we go from being concerned about violence to concluding that the violence is somehow "centrally organized" by the person's race. If there's evidence of it, great. Link to it. But a simple google search on the topic shows that it's far from clear that the aggressors' being black is any more a cause than the aggressors being assholes.
because if the attackers were white and the victims black you'd see a race issue right away,.when it comes to black on white crimes everybody tends to rule out racism like they're affrade to piss off the black community.
I read the entire article you linked to. Why is "race" the central organizing feature? I read the part about how many of the assailants have been black, but isn't it a little presumptuous (and racist) - without more - to suggest that the race of assailants has any more to do with it than just being a violent asshole?
Other than the fact that several of the crimes involved black aggressors, what evidence is there that is race "a central and organizing feature?"
I don't think anyone is saying the game doesn't exist. I think the concern comes when we go from being concerned about violence to concluding that the violence is somehow "centrally organized" by the person's race. If there's evidence of it, great. Link to it. But a simple google search on the topic shows that it's far from clear that the aggressors' being black is any more a cause than the aggressors being assholes.
because if the attackers were white and the victims black you'd see a race issue right away,.when it comes to black on white crimes everybody tends to rule out racism like they're affrade to piss off the black community.
Godfather.
? That only proves that people are inconsistent in their approaches to issues that may involve race.
By saying that "race is a central organizing feature [of the knock-out game]," the article is saying that something about a person's race causes them to do this. It's shoddy logic to say that because assailants have been black, it means their race is causing them to do it.
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I read the entire article you linked to. Why is "race" the central organizing feature? I read the part about how many of the assailants have been black, but isn't it a little presumptuous (and racist) - without more - to suggest that the race of assailants has any more to do with it than just being a violent asshole?
Other than the fact that several of the crimes involved black aggressors, what evidence is there that is race "a central and organizing feature?"
I don't think anyone is saying the game doesn't exist. I think the concern comes when we go from being concerned about violence to concluding that the violence is somehow "centrally organized" by the person's race. If there's evidence of it, great. Link to it. But a simple google search on the topic shows that it's far from clear that the aggressors' being black is any more a cause than the aggressors being assholes.
because if the attackers were white and the victims black you'd see a race issue right away,.when it comes to black on white crimes everybody tends to rule out racism like they're affrade to piss off the black community.
Godfather.
? That only proves that people are inconsistent in their approaches to issues that may involve race.
By saying that "race is a central organizing feature [of the knock-out game]," the article is saying that something about a person's race causes them to do this. It's shoddy logic to say that because assailants have been black, it means their race is causing them to do it.
so then is it shoddy logis to say the same for white on black crimes ?
so then is it shoddy logis to say the same for white on black crimes ?
Godfather.
Look, the point is that if there's evidence that race was the cause of these acts, then it's reasonable to conclude that this is "race-related." Without that evidence, it's reckless and irresponsible.
I'm talking about evidence like:
-statements from the assailants ("we target white people because they're white")
-statements from the victims ("they targeted me because I'm white")
-statements from eyewitnesses ("they targeted him because he was white")
-confessions ("I committed this crime because the victim was white and all people who play the knockout game do so as well")
-a set of game rules ("to play, you must target victims that are white and because they are white")
-statements from an infiltrator to a knockout team ("they told me to join, I must target someone who is white and because they are white")
For now, you've got a litany of articles from the right, reporting on a series of independent attacks that involve black assailants and white victims. Assume all you want, but to make a statement like "race is the central and organizing feature in these attacks" is unfounded and illogical. Race may be a common feature, but without more, there's nothing to suggest that these attacks occur because of the races of the victims or the assailants.
When you consider the legislative leaps that are being suggested based on these articles that claim race is the motivator, such shoddy reporting is all the more concerning.
If it's race-based, great, but where's the proof? If you have no evidence to support that claim but insist it's still race-based, that's irresponsible and reckless. Without anything more, that's exactly what the reporting on this has been.
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Exactly why concealed carry should be available and legal.
I just watched a story on you tube about a punk that tried that crap on guy with a C&C little asshole got shot twice and two years in prison while the shooter walked clean.
Godfather.
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Hello, sir... any luck on providing the link to that story? I would really like to see it for myself.
I searched the internet and could not find it.
Thanx.
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Exactly why concealed carry should be available and legal.
I just watched a story on you tube about a punk that tried that crap on guy with a C&C little asshole got shot twice and two years in prison while the shooter walked clean.
Godfather.
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Hello, sir... any luck on providing the link to that story? I would really like to see it for myself.
I searched the internet and could not find it.
Thanx.
sorry Cosmo. it was on youtube...it was a newscast and I can't remember the title or link but I'm sure if you surf youtube you should find it.
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no, polaris, I believe, is pointing to the fact that you said "it's much worse elsewhere", which would then bring someone to assume that means you are dismissing the problem here.
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I was referring to the Toronto Star's statistical analysis for establishing my position.
The statistics you present seem more likely given what I know.
So...
1. Aboriginal people comprise a disproportionate percentage of our prison population in Canada.
2. Black people comprise a disproportionate percentage of the prison population in the US.
Hmmm...
Both demographics were exploited and abused in the formative stages of each country. Both demographics deal with poverty more than 'other' demographics.
Is there not an obvious correlation?
obvious to those of us who don't think guns are the solution.
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Yep
Here's an ABC news article linked via Yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/knockout-game-suspect-charged-hate-crime-100039465--abc-news-topstories.html
I just watched a story on you tube about a punk that tried that crap on guy with a C&C
Godfather.
straight up truth !
Godfather.
Can you post a link to that YouTube video? I'd like to see it.
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
They can play that game on the Nazi Skinheads in prison.
Hail, Hail!!!
There's no question such crimes are 'hate crimes'.
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good read.
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The NRA wants a national policy that allows people to ‘openly carry’ firearms. Their test site is Chicago. Their target cities are Chicago, New York, and LA. These 3 cities are supposed to be the Best of the Best of law enforcement. This whole policy of having citizens ‘openly carry’ firearms undercuts our whole law enforcement system.
The major problem with re-creating this ‘FEAR’ tactic is that the NRA is placing the lives of law enforcement officers in danger as evidence by the rise in officer shootings, because every crime that is labeled as ‘black’ now seems to carry a life sentence. Look at the people serving life-long sentences for marijuana and look at the Mayor of DC, Mayor Toronto, and Rep. from Florida all free with an apology to do better.
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Game (8 Feb. 2005)
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A long article so here are some excerpts (it's a good article worth reading in it's entirety):
Don't Believe All the Media Hype About the 'Knockout Game'
So today for the umpteenth time we saw another news story, designed to cause mass hysteria with solemn sounding anchors telling us to be on "high alert" for roving gangs of black youth participating in this nationwide trend called "The Knockout Game."
These news stories from coast to coast end with the reporters telling us two people have been killed by what police think MAY have been a version of the Knockout Game. We are left concluding that we no longer need to fear terrorists organizations like al Qaeda, but instead be wary of marauding black youth. The message is when you see them, run. Why? Because they are gonna knock you out.
It's important that folks not get caught up in the hype of the Knockout Game without putting it in historical, social and political context. First let's be clear in understanding what this is: the Knockout Game is ASSAULT. And when a group of people are "targeting people at random" to assault them, that is basically another form of BULLYING.
Are assaults and bullying acceptable? Absolutely not. Should we be concerned? Of course. But let's be honest when reporting on this type of anti-social behavior. Yes, there are crimes that occur. Yes, there are innocent folks who get attacked, robbed, etc. But this is not what's being reported. Many in the media are making it appear as if this is some sort of game spreading like wild fire from coast to coast. It's simply not true. The fact that they are taking any crime and calling it part of Knockout Game trend is akin to when the police label every crime in certain communities "gang related."
The nationwide hype of the Knockout Game is designed to get us hysterically upset, fearful and angry resulting in us embracing policies and laws that will soon be proposed that justify racial profiling designed to protect us (translation: protect good white folks from out of control black and brown mobs).
Other than the fact that several of the crimes involved black aggressors, what evidence is there that is race "a central and organizing feature?"
I don't think anyone is saying the game doesn't exist. I think the concern comes when we go from being concerned about violence to concluding that the violence is somehow "centrally organized" by the person's race. If there's evidence of it, great. Link to it. But a simple google search on the topic shows that it's far from clear that the aggressors' being black is any more a cause than the aggressors being assholes.
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There's a whole argument about what these statistics mean. Do convictions or prison sentences mean that the offender is inherently more violent than his/her white counterparts?
Would it surprise to know that blacks are sentenced to harsher sentences (including prison terms) far more frequently than whites convicted of the same crime?
It's fine to quote statistics about the number of convicted/imprisoned African-American men in the US. But know that there is a significant body of evidence suggesting that there's far more to the story than just concluding that a third of black males are criminals.
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So what? Isn't that exactly what the conservative media is doing with this? The only difference is that you're being whipped up to support some lobby organization's agenda...
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Sounds to me like you'd end up with a 'responsible' gun owner ko'd on the street, and a group of thugs who now have access to a firearm....
because if the attackers were white and the victims black you'd see a race issue right away,.when it comes to black on white crimes everybody tends to rule out racism like they're affrade to piss off the black community.
Godfather.
? That only proves that people are inconsistent in their approaches to issues that may involve race.
By saying that "race is a central organizing feature [of the knock-out game]," the article is saying that something about a person's race causes them to do this. It's shoddy logic to say that because assailants have been black, it means their race is causing them to do it.
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so then is it shoddy logis to say the same for white on black crimes ?
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Look, the point is that if there's evidence that race was the cause of these acts, then it's reasonable to conclude that this is "race-related." Without that evidence, it's reckless and irresponsible.
I'm talking about evidence like:
-statements from the assailants ("we target white people because they're white")
-statements from the victims ("they targeted me because I'm white")
-statements from eyewitnesses ("they targeted him because he was white")
-confessions ("I committed this crime because the victim was white and all people who play the knockout game do so as well")
-a set of game rules ("to play, you must target victims that are white and because they are white")
-statements from an infiltrator to a knockout team ("they told me to join, I must target someone who is white and because they are white")
For now, you've got a litany of articles from the right, reporting on a series of independent attacks that involve black assailants and white victims. Assume all you want, but to make a statement like "race is the central and organizing feature in these attacks" is unfounded and illogical. Race may be a common feature, but without more, there's nothing to suggest that these attacks occur because of the races of the victims or the assailants.
When you consider the legislative leaps that are being suggested based on these articles that claim race is the motivator, such shoddy reporting is all the more concerning.
If it's race-based, great, but where's the proof? If you have no evidence to support that claim but insist it's still race-based, that's irresponsible and reckless. Without anything more, that's exactly what the reporting on this has been.
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Hello, sir... any luck on providing the link to that story? I would really like to see it for myself.
I searched the internet and could not find it.
Thanx.
Hail, Hail!!!
sorry Cosmo. it was on youtube...it was a newscast and I can't remember the title or link but I'm sure if you surf youtube you should find it.
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Blast em