“She is an absolute contradiction to the culture of conservation this country prides itself on,” said Elan Burman of Cape Town, the author of the petition, which quickly gathered 3,000 signatures.
Ahhh, I think it was Elan Burman's country that took pride with issuing a permit to allow this. A petition to bar her from returning, even if successful, doesn't do Jack squat if I decided to jump on a plane tomorrow and go shoot a lion.
Is it only Everest or other challenging treks, like Kilimajaro?
My point was that much we do is propelled by ego. I get the related risks, but view mountain-climbing (perhaps we should put hikers and mountain-scalers in the same ego-driven boat? plus many other activities) as vastly different than hunting an animal for the sport of it.
definitely not kiliminjaro ... i said everest specifically ... because of what i mentioned earlier ... one can challenge themselves in a plethora of ways that does not put other lives at risk, their own, the sanctity of a place considered spriritual by the people that live nearby, nor result in them walking by as others die ... don't get me started on the garbage ... factor in that one pretty much has to be relatively rich to even try ...
climbing hills or mountains is not equal at all to murdering lions
Not understanding either, how people can relate goals like reaching the summit of the tallest mountain is comparable to trophy hunting. Because they aren't. Sure, to a millionaire, both can stoke egos, but to MANY mountaineers, it's about attaining goals. To those who have physical setbacks and to have made Everest, K2 or any mountain summit a goal is clearly something else. It's about overcoming ourselves and about human spirit. To those who have climbed Everest in the name of their mother's hereditary disease that she died from already and they will eventually as well, it's about honor (this last one is about 2 guys from my home town, honoring their mother whom I had known growing up; one didn't make it to the summit and perished. :( ).
climbing hills or mountains is not equal at all to murdering lions
Not understanding either, how people can relate goals like reaching the summit of the tallest mountain is comparable to trophy hunting. Because they aren't. Sure, to a millionaire, both can stoke egos, but to MANY mountaineers, it's about attaining goals. To those who have physical setbacks and to have made Everest, K2 or any mountain summit a goal is clearly something else. It's about overcoming ourselves and about human spirit. To those who have climbed Everest in the name of their mother's hereditary disease that she died from already and they will eventually as well, it's about honor (this last one is about 2 guys from my home town, honoring their mother whom I had known growing up; one didn't make it to the summit and perished. :( ).
I think all that was meant by it is that it has become more of a bragging rights type of thing, and they don't give a shit who they have to step on or what amount of garbage they leave behind, or the kind sherpas that risk their lives for the people who just want to have that picture of them on top of the mountain on their mantlepiece next to the head of a bear.
sure there are those that do it for charity and for other reasons that aren't ego-driven, but I think the point being made is that people do things for themselves at huge cost to the environment around them for purely selfish reasons.
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Humans think they are superior in every way ... which is sad when you think about. Sometimes I wish I could look at the world through the eyes of my dog, maybe l'd be less cynical ...
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Humans think they are superior in every way ... which is sad when you think about. Sometimes I wish I could look at the world through the eyes of my dog, maybe l'd be less cynical ...
Then, do it! Look at life as a dog would, it would probably change your perspective for the better. Cynical energy is toxic.
personally I think they should sell permits to hunt the trophy hunters. yeah you can go try to shoot whatever animals you want, but to make it interesting there's a dude out there trying to hunt you too. after all, it's only death right?
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
Every time I come across this thread... :(
It's a delicate subject for us Leos.
I've been furious about this for days :x
I just hope she doesn't get MORE popular because of this
The sad fact is she is getting more attention and people like her thrive on attention. But when you feel the way most of us do about this, how do you not speak out in anger about her actions? Very frustrating.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
She seems to be a horrible person and I can't understand, who would support this kind of behavior? Maybe rich people from the 1800 century or so..I think trophy hunting was a fashion back then..now we know better
scumbags are still trophy hunting in huge numbers across all lands far & wide.
years ago i worked for a couple brothers who went to arkansas & texas to trophy hunting ranches where you pick out the beast you want hanging on your wall. they brought home everything from exotic deer of some kind (that is thousands of miles from africa, the deers natural environment) to bison to who knows what else.
& these canned hunts are on private property & you can have your murder recorded on video camera if you wish & they did this & i watched a couple senseless murders of beautiful animals for the critters' future hanging on a wall collecting cobwebs & fireplace smoke.
to many a bullshit jerk off hunter (if we can call them hunters) murdering a exotic animal or mega odd big buck white tail deer w/ deformed antlers is a very special & manly activity & to place that buck deer w/ his unique deformed antlers on the wall means this guy is a man's man, a ultimate johnson carrier, a hairy burly chested hero & strappin champion
in reality these clowns are minute brained & even smaller in the groin & yet tinier in the chest where they house a cold dark very small heart of goodness but a heart of negative horseshit
i know these guys & they are absolutely useless but put on a big show to get the attention from men who look up to them for whatever odd reason that would be. and even some women believe these guys to be the men of men
to me these types are clowns, cruel & despicable little guys who have probably been brought up wrong & i would even go as far as to say that many a trophy hunter are abusive towards their wives & kids.
this gal here could have been on a canned shoot thing. the lion placed in her crosshairs... maybe even declawed & released from a cage in the back of a safari going truck.... who frickin knows with these freaks
yes you can go to texas & shoot a declawed panther just released from a holding pen.
Every time I come across this thread... :(
It's a delicate subject for us Leos.
I've been furious about this for days :x
I just hope she doesn't get MORE popular because of this
The sad fact is she is getting more attention and people like her thrive on attention. But when you feel the way most of us do about this, how do you not speak out in anger about her actions? Very frustrating.
In a way, it's a good thing that she disabled her Facebook and Twitter accounts... But on the other hand, the minute she enables them again, it'll be time to be ready to speak out.
yes you can go to texas & shoot a declawed panther just released from a holding pen.
This just makes my heart fall.
My anger sways me toward goingtoverona's mindset - hunt the motherfucking hunters.
That said, LET this sorry excuse for a human(e) being have her say. Contrary to popular belief, not all PR is good PR. I'd rather she expose herself - soak in the spotlight! - and be seen for what she is.
I'll never get it...looking at these little fellas, I'm caught between respect of who they are/who they'll become, and just wanting to nuzzle those noses, ears and bellies.
yes you can go to texas & shoot a declawed panther just released from a holding pen.
This just makes my heart fall.
My anger sways me toward goingtoverona's mindset - hunt the motherfucking hunters.
That said, LET this sorry excuse for a human(e) being have her say. Contrary to popular belief, not all PR is good PR. I'd rather she expose herself - soak in the spotlight! - and be seen for what she is.
I'll never get it...looking at these little fellas, I'm caught between respect of who they are/who they'll become, and just wanting to nuzzle those noses, ears and bellies.
To kill them? For show? It's just...shameful.
Very true hedonist. Natures beauty is a fucked up thing to waste. This pile of shit is waste we can do without. Fuck her and her gun shooting ways!
I disagree with this woman's lion kill as well but the personal attacks/name calling by the AMT is toooooo funny !
Godfather.
it's not at all toooooo funny. she deserves the personal attacks/name calling
i hope she reads a great deal of the internet posts of outrage over her cold hearted bullshit. ya know, godfather, only a dumb fucking asshole goes on safari & murders innocent creatures. this dumb broad isn't deer hunting in missouri to put some meat on her family's table.
i truly wish someone would force feed her this lion's rotten ass carcass then go gather up ted nugent & do the same thing to him, rotten kitty carcass meat for dipshit ted nugent
these types of people are on my shitlist somewhere between child predators & shark fin soup fuckers. ZERO respect... none, not a centimeter. we should revel in their misery, yes/no?
I disagree with this woman's lion kill as well but the personal attacks/name calling by the AMT is toooooo funny !
Godfather.
We may say some outrageous things, GF, but what is most outrageous is the murderous act of this woman and a passionate and righteously angry response seems pretty normal to me. Would we literally feed her to the lions or throw her off a cliff? No. But the feeling is real.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
well....we all have our faults are we the judge of who's faults are worse than others ?
just saying, and who gave the permit and how much $$$ is made each season/year to hunt exotic animals .
the government of these countries that sell permits are as much to blame as anybody and maybe more so infact.
and what about sport fishing ? or drag net fishing ? anybody had fish n chips lately ? in my "OPINION" most of contribute to the death of some animal at one time or another just because this gal killed a male lion dosen't make her any worse than the guy who raises cattle for butcher or chickens to lay eggs and butcher when they stop laying. I think most of you are angry because this animal is so beautiful but in some countries they are a danger to the communities killing children and adults, but anyway it something to think about before we get on our high horse and start calling people names.
and what about sport fishing ? or drag net fishing ? anybody had fish n chips lately ? in my "OPINION" most of contribute to the death of some animal at one time or another just because this gal killed a male lion dosen't make her any worse than the guy who raises cattle for butcher or chickens to lay eggs and butcher when they stop laying. I think most of you are angry because this animal is so beautiful but in some countries they are a danger to the communities killing children and adults, but anyway it something to think about before we get on our high horse and start calling people names.
Godfather.
you're kind of right in that one needs to look at the larger picture ... although comparing her to a farmer shows also that you don't quite understand where the anger is coming from ...
and what about sport fishing ? or drag net fishing ? anybody had fish n chips lately ? in my "OPINION" most of contribute to the death of some animal at one time or another just because this gal killed a male lion dosen't make her any worse than the guy who raises cattle for butcher or chickens to lay eggs and butcher when they stop laying. I think most of you are angry because this animal is so beautiful but in some countries they are a danger to the communities killing children and adults, but anyway it something to think about before we get on our high horse and start calling people names.
Godfather.
No name calling here for me....why because I don't eat meat.
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this is our prevailing attitude towards nature ... conquer vs. nurture ... i kind of put people who seek to climb everest in a similar position ... anything to satisfy their ego and appetite to dominate ...
I don't know...climbing a mountain is (aside from the sherpas, who I assume are there of their own free will) about yourself only. Strength, endurance, mental will - call it ego-stroking but at least it doesn't take anyone else out with you, if you fail.
It's not something I'd attempt, but I can understand the desire to make that climb - surpassing your own expectations. Triumphing over our own (perceived) weaknesses.
Totally different from shooting an animal for the hell of it.
Plus, I see us - humans - trying to conquer nature on a daily basis (or maybe it's trying to live within it, to understand we are part of it).
Climbing THAT mountain means that an awful lot of trash that otherwise wouldnt be there is left by those that are about "yourself only" in a climb.
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Ahhh, I think it was Elan Burman's country that took pride with issuing a permit to allow this. A petition to bar her from returning, even if successful, doesn't do Jack squat if I decided to jump on a plane tomorrow and go shoot a lion.
definitely not kiliminjaro ... i said everest specifically ... because of what i mentioned earlier ... one can challenge themselves in a plethora of ways that does not put other lives at risk, their own, the sanctity of a place considered spriritual by the people that live nearby, nor result in them walking by as others die ... don't get me started on the garbage ... factor in that one pretty much has to be relatively rich to even try ...
Not understanding either, how people can relate goals like reaching the summit of the tallest mountain is comparable to trophy hunting. Because they aren't. Sure, to a millionaire, both can stoke egos, but to MANY mountaineers, it's about attaining goals. To those who have physical setbacks and to have made Everest, K2 or any mountain summit a goal is clearly something else. It's about overcoming ourselves and about human spirit. To those who have climbed Everest in the name of their mother's hereditary disease that she died from already and they will eventually as well, it's about honor (this last one is about 2 guys from my home town, honoring their mother whom I had known growing up; one didn't make it to the summit and perished. :( ).
that's what she said.
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I think all that was meant by it is that it has become more of a bragging rights type of thing, and they don't give a shit who they have to step on or what amount of garbage they leave behind, or the kind sherpas that risk their lives for the people who just want to have that picture of them on top of the mountain on their mantlepiece next to the head of a bear.
sure there are those that do it for charity and for other reasons that aren't ego-driven, but I think the point being made is that people do things for themselves at huge cost to the environment around them for purely selfish reasons.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
It's a delicate subject for us Leos.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Then, do it! Look at life as a dog would, it would probably change your perspective for the better. Cynical energy is toxic.
I've been furious about this for days :x
I just hope she doesn't get MORE popular because of this
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The sad fact is she is getting more attention and people like her thrive on attention. But when you feel the way most of us do about this, how do you not speak out in anger about her actions? Very frustrating.
years ago i worked for a couple brothers who went to arkansas & texas to trophy hunting ranches where you pick out the beast you want hanging on your wall. they brought home everything from exotic deer of some kind (that is thousands of miles from africa, the deers natural environment) to bison to who knows what else.
& these canned hunts are on private property & you can have your murder recorded on video camera if you wish & they did this & i watched a couple senseless murders of beautiful animals for the critters' future hanging on a wall collecting cobwebs & fireplace smoke.
to many a bullshit jerk off hunter (if we can call them hunters) murdering a exotic animal or mega odd big buck white tail deer w/ deformed antlers is a very special & manly activity & to place that buck deer w/ his unique deformed antlers on the wall means this guy is a man's man, a ultimate johnson carrier, a hairy burly chested hero & strappin champion
in reality these clowns are minute brained & even smaller in the groin & yet tinier in the chest where they house a cold dark very small heart of goodness but a heart of negative horseshit
i know these guys & they are absolutely useless but put on a big show to get the attention from men who look up to them for whatever odd reason that would be. and even some women believe these guys to be the men of men
to me these types are clowns, cruel & despicable little guys who have probably been brought up wrong & i would even go as far as to say that many a trophy hunter are abusive towards their wives & kids.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
a great game to play...try it.
yes you can go to texas & shoot a declawed panther just released from a holding pen.
wonderful people these assholes
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
2 of 3 yes....if you can play banjo, 3 of 3.
all joking aside....it is a peaceful game.
In a way, it's a good thing that she disabled her Facebook and Twitter accounts... But on the other hand, the minute she enables them again, it'll be time to be ready to speak out.
My anger sways me toward goingtoverona's mindset - hunt the motherfucking hunters.
That said, LET this sorry excuse for a human(e) being have her say. Contrary to popular belief, not all PR is good PR. I'd rather she expose herself - soak in the spotlight! - and be seen for what she is.
I'll never get it...looking at these little fellas, I'm caught between respect of who they are/who they'll become, and just wanting to nuzzle those noses, ears and bellies.
To kill them? For show? It's just...shameful.
Very true hedonist. Natures beauty is a fucked up thing to waste. This pile of shit is waste we can do without. Fuck her and her gun shooting ways!
Godfather.
i hope she reads a great deal of the internet posts of outrage over her cold hearted bullshit. ya know, godfather, only a dumb fucking asshole goes on safari & murders innocent creatures. this dumb broad isn't deer hunting in missouri to put some meat on her family's table.
i truly wish someone would force feed her this lion's rotten ass carcass then go gather up ted nugent & do the same thing to him, rotten kitty carcass meat for dipshit ted nugent
these types of people are on my shitlist somewhere between child predators & shark fin soup fuckers. ZERO respect... none, not a centimeter. we should revel in their misery, yes/no?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
We may say some outrageous things, GF, but what is most outrageous is the murderous act of this woman and a passionate and righteously angry response seems pretty normal to me. Would we literally feed her to the lions or throw her off a cliff? No. But the feeling is real.
just saying, and who gave the permit and how much $$$ is made each season/year to hunt exotic animals .
the government of these countries that sell permits are as much to blame as anybody and maybe more so infact.
Godfather.
Godfather.
you're kind of right in that one needs to look at the larger picture ... although comparing her to a farmer shows also that you don't quite understand where the anger is coming from ...
No name calling here for me....why because I don't eat meat.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Leo here myself. 5 tats too of 12 are various images of lion heads..
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14