By my humble opinion..There are 6 GREAT bands of all time

Last-12-Exit

DewieCox wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

What relevant band out today has said they were influenced by radiohead? Why should they deserve a mention in a list like this. I think that idea is absurd.

The fact that Radiohead is still relevant after 20 years is enough to get them on this list. I don't think they've been really that influential on any relevant bands, but the same could be said for PJ and I haven't noticed anybody's beef with their inclusion.

I would hope not since we are posting in a PJ fan club message board. But, I would argue that pearl jam was relevant from '92 to 99ish. Where radiohead may have had a 2-3 year stretch where people drooled over them.

My list would have REM in the top 15 and radio in the 30's.

ckravitz

brianlux wrote:

jimc3 wrote:

(bands only)

I think the big 4 of the Beatles, Stones, Led Zep and the Who are all lock must-haves 1st tier, Mt Rushmore immortals.

I think the 2nd grouping (had the magic of the big 4 but not for long enough) is Floyd, Doors, Radiohead, Hendrix/Experience

third tier (ie at one point lit the WORLD on FIRE, but are just short of immortal) would be Beach Boys, U2, Ramones, Springsteen/E St, Prince/Revolution, Police, Clash, Aerosmith, Sabbath, Nirvana

4th tier (super-special, super-talented but just missing that thunder-god gene) would be REM, Niel Young/CH, Queen, G Dead, Ramones, Velvet U, Petty/Heartbreakers

All that being said, I think it's fair to slot Pearl Jam somewhere in the higher end of the 3rd tier.

additional thoughts:

I would love to see the Pixies, Husker Du, Dinosaur Jr, Buzzcocks, Mission of Burma, Minutemen more into these conversations, but obviously they never had the wide commercial appeal.

I also love S'garden, AIC, Pumpkins, Peppers and even Green Daybut they just miss the GREAT level

personally don't think Metallica, ACDC, J Priest, Van Halen, GnR deserve to make this list. and I like "metal".

aside from that, I don't get how Spoon never gets mentioned AT ALL in these conversations. they're not young pups anymore. they have more than a handful of incredible albums, are studio wizards AND live gems, and are absolute critical darlings. I know they only took off on the radio a tiny bit once, but I feel like history will judge them well.

This post = great read!

Spoon- new to me- will check it out.

Seriously, that was an awesome post and feel smarter having read it!!

Regarding Spoon, you'll probably recognize the song called the "The Underdog" once you hear it.

DewieCox

Last-12-Exit wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

What relevant band out today has said they were influenced by radiohead? Why should they deserve a mention in a list like this. I think that idea is absurd.

The fact that Radiohead is still relevant after 20 years is enough to get them on this list. I don't think they've been really that influential on any relevant bands, but the same could be said for PJ and I haven't noticed anybody's beef with their inclusion.

I would hope not since we are posting in a PJ fan club message board. But, I would argue that pearl jam was relevant from '92 to 99ish. Where radiohead may have had a 2-3 year stretch where people drooled over them.

My list would have REM in the top 15 and radio in the 30's.

God forbid anyone be objective in this discussion.

I think that's a big stretch for PJ. I started to get into them in 98 and I don't think they were much more relevant then than now.

People still drool over Radiohead releases and have pretty consistently since Ok Computer.

Last-12-Exit

I will agree to disagree with you dewie. Mainly because I bought ok computer and threw it in the trash 2 weeks later. Can we be objective when talking about a purely subjective topic?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Rolling Stones
Beatles (who I have never listened to on my own)
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Pink Floyd

are all slam dunks. They are the greatest beyond debate given their impact and their body of work.

The Doors, Metallica, Nirvana, and U2 would likely compete for that 6th spot on a list of 6.

* But this is me being objective. I rarely listen to any of the above bands anymore. They aren't my favourite bands (anymore). If I was to balance my current tastes with respect from the past, my list would probably look like:

Led Zeppelin
The Stones
Rage Against the Machine
Tool
Pearl Jam
Pink Floyd

I'm sorry, but I need to say the following:

1. The Beastie Boys and a few other bands like the Pixies (?) have no place in this thread.
2. Radiohead might be the most overrated band of all time.

hrd2imgn

after seeing Bob Dylan this past summer I wold NEVER put him on a list of ALL-Time if we are factoring in Live performances/Captivating crowds.

So I guess criteria is everything here, Hell KISS does way more for putting on a amazing show and audience mind destruction than BD.


We can all agree that we think PJ belongs here that is all that really matters

And really isn't it the Beatles then everyone else?

DewieCox

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I will agree to disagree with you dewie. Mainly because I bought ok computer and threw it in the trash 2 weeks later. Can we be objective when talking about a purely subjective topic?

That's cool. It took awhile to grow on me years after the fact, but a very critically acclaimed album and adored by plenty of music lovers.

I think when you start talking about influence and critical and commercial success it becomes more objective, otherwise we'd all just be listing our favorite bands. I love a lot of the bands that get mentioned in threads like this, but I can still agree when somebody mentions a band I don't necessarily care for.

Indifference

hrd2imgn wrote:

after seeing Bob Dylan this past summer I wold NEVER put him on a list of ALL-Time if we are factoring in Live performances/Captivating crowds.

So I guess criteria is everything here, Hell KISS does way more for putting on a amazing show and audience mind destruction than BD.


We can all agree that we think PJ belongs here that is all that really matters

And really isn't it the Beatles then everyone else?

Curious of what you were expecting from a 70+ year old BD....

EdsonNascimento

jimc3 wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Love that post, too even though I don't like all the folks he talks about (Radiohead? really? I think Talking Heads are more properly put in that tier than Radiohead. There is no Radiohead without the Heads.) One thing these lists are all missing is Eric Clapton. There isn't a guitarist alive that would not point to him as one of the immortals. Not sure where he fits on your list, but he would be the Theodore Roosevelt on the Mount Rushmore of guitarists with Jimi, Jimmy and BB.

first, I prefaced it was bands only. if we were including solo, Clapton is of course on Mt Rushmore guitar gods-wise. but I don't think his band, Derek and the Dominos, were crazy great for long enough to get on this list.

as for Radiohead/Talking Heads/influential: so I don't consider "influential" an ultra-primary criterion for all-time greatness like many people do. it's an element of it, along with talent, execution, broad appeal and critical acclaim, plus throw in a little bit of that mystic/mythic quality that only the greats have. I don't think Beatles, Stones, Zep and Who are tops because of their influence, I think they are because they wrote the best songs/albums, played the best and had the most impact on musicians and the masses. Talking Heads are great, creative and definitely influential. I toyed with putting them 4th tier, I don't have a problem with anyone saying they are top 15. but Radiohead took what they did (plus some other things) and blew them out of the water. OK Computer is widely regarded as one of the top 10 albums ever by tons of people. Talking Heads have a lot critical acclaim, but the average Joe knows nothing of Remain in Light, whereas everyone knows OK Computer. I love PJ way more than them, but I think Radiohead has twice as big a fanbase right now and WAY more critical acclaim (although they have sunk a bit recently. I'm prediciting a bit of a comeback for them sooner than later).

I agree with your criteria - Talking Heads 10 x's > than Radiohead. Put on '77 and tell me Radiohead has anything even remotely approaching that. OK Computer is only considered Top 10 by the Rolling Stone (the magazine) crowd. And, that's a crowd I prefer to stay away from. And who cares about fanbase? Justin Bieber, The Disney Channel and the Twerker have 10 times the fan base of anyone we've been talking about.

And, you are right on the EC stuff. Realized that after I sent. But, I think what I was thinking was - you could put any of Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and pretty much any other band he's ever been a part of in that same tier and not lose a beat. So, in theory, maybe we should be putting EC and his bands in the top tier and just be done with it.

nickburrows14

To be fair, the OP did title this "By my humble opinion...." so don't slate his choices. I could list my 100 favourite artists and it wouldn't include the Beatles, Tool or Phish. OPINION!

brianlux

EdsonNascimento wrote:

jimc3 wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Love that post, too even though I don't like all the folks he talks about (Radiohead? really? I think Talking Heads are more properly put in that tier than Radiohead. There is no Radiohead without the Heads.) One thing these lists are all missing is Eric Clapton. There isn't a guitarist alive that would not point to him as one of the immortals. Not sure where he fits on your list, but he would be the Theodore Roosevelt on the Mount Rushmore of guitarists with Jimi, Jimmy and BB.

first, I prefaced it was bands only. if we were including solo, Clapton is of course on Mt Rushmore guitar gods-wise. but I don't think his band, Derek and the Dominos, were crazy great for long enough to get on this list.

as for Radiohead/Talking Heads/influential: so I don't consider "influential" an ultra-primary criterion for all-time greatness like many people do. it's an element of it, along with talent, execution, broad appeal and critical acclaim, plus throw in a little bit of that mystic/mythic quality that only the greats have. I don't think Beatles, Stones, Zep and Who are tops because of their influence, I think they are because they wrote the best songs/albums, played the best and had the most impact on musicians and the masses. Talking Heads are great, creative and definitely influential. I toyed with putting them 4th tier, I don't have a problem with anyone saying they are top 15. but Radiohead took what they did (plus some other things) and blew them out of the water. OK Computer is widely regarded as one of the top 10 albums ever by tons of people. Talking Heads have a lot critical acclaim, but the average Joe knows nothing of Remain in Light, whereas everyone knows OK Computer. I love PJ way more than them, but I think Radiohead has twice as big a fanbase right now and WAY more critical acclaim (although they have sunk a bit recently. I'm prediciting a bit of a comeback for them sooner than later).

I agree with your criteria - Talking Heads 10 x's > than Radiohead. Put on '77 and tell me Radiohead has anything even remotely approaching that. OK Computer is only considered Top 10 by the Rolling Stone (the magazine) crowd. And, that's a crowd I prefer to stay away from. And who cares about fanbase? Justin Bieber, The Disney Channel and the Twerker have 10 times the fan base of anyone we've been talking about.

And, you are right on the EC stuff. Realized that after I sent. But, I think what I was thinking was - you could put any of Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and pretty much any other band he's ever been a part of in that same tier and not lose a beat. So, in theory, maybe we should be putting EC and his bands in the top tier and just be done with it.

I agree with this Edson- Talking Heads over Radiohead based, if for no other reason, on major influence and historical recognition.

And since we're talking about EC then it might be worth looking back and listing (staying with the number "six" theme- no easy task!) major blues artists that made rock and roll possible in the first place. My blues greatest six pix:

Charlie Patton
Robert Johnson
Elmore James
Muddy Waters
Howlin' Wolf
John Lee Hooker

It slays me to leave Bessie Smith, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Leadbelly, Buddy Guy, T-Bone Walker, Little Walter, Lightnin' Hopkins, Sonny Boy Williamson II, and BB King off this list (who am I missing?). Only six? :fp:

Thirty Bills Unpaid

nickburrows14 wrote:

To be fair, the OP did title this "By my humble opinion...." so don't slate his choices. I could list my 100 favourite artists and it wouldn't include the Beatles, Tool or Phish. OPINION!

The OP didn't post it so that we should read it and not offer our opinions. I'm pretty sure the intent was to initiate some form of discussion.

nickburrows14

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

nickburrows14 wrote:

To be fair, the OP did title this "By my humble opinion...." so don't slate his choices. I could list my 100 favourite artists and it wouldn't include the Beatles, Tool or Phish. OPINION!

The OP didn't post it so that we should read it and not offer our opinions. I'm pretty sure the intent was to initiate some form of discussion.

Sure I get that but some people come across like you're an idiot for having a different opinion. This is my opinion by the way

HollisBrown

hrd2imgn wrote:

after seeing Bob Dylan this past summer I wold NEVER put him on a list of ALL-Time if we are factoring in Live performances/Captivating crowds.

Well, like he is 72.

brianlux

HollisBrown wrote:

hrd2imgn wrote:

after seeing Bob Dylan this past summer I wold NEVER put him on a list of ALL-Time if we are factoring in Live performances/Captivating crowds.

Well, like he is 72.

Yeah, timing is everything. In the mid 80's I saw Bob Dylan with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers and it was one of the most exhilarating shows I've ever seen- on of my top three or four out of hundreds.

YLed2

I can't believe that Van Morrison isn't getting any more love on here in the solo/individual category. Talk about an artist who is naturally and specially talented, one of the greatest song writers of our time, and his body of work is second to none.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HollisBrown wrote:

hrd2imgn wrote:

after seeing Bob Dylan this past summer I wold NEVER put him on a list of ALL-Time if we are factoring in Live performances/Captivating crowds.

Well, like he is 72.

Roger Waters and Mick Jagger are in their 70s as well. Elton John is 66. All these guys are still rocking it and acknowledging their fans.

I'm not saying all 70 year olds should perform as they would in their prime, but I'm saying that it is not impossible to be remotely decent. Bob's new music is horrible. Bob's on stage demeanour is brutal. Don't ever go see Bob- he sucks.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

nickburrows14 wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

nickburrows14 wrote:

To be fair, the OP did title this "By my humble opinion...." so don't slate his choices. I could list my 100 favourite artists and it wouldn't include the Beatles, Tool or Phish. OPINION!

The OP didn't post it so that we should read it and not offer our opinions. I'm pretty sure the intent was to initiate some form of discussion.

Sure I get that but some people come across like you're an idiot for having a different opinion. This is my opinion by the way

Just wait until Musicismylife gets on here!

Alfonz

I might have missed it, but I haven't seen any mention of some British bands who are/were absolutely supreme:

Joy Division
The Cure
The Smiths
Stone Roses

When considering true greatness of a band, you have to also think about their legacy and how they shaped the musical world during and after their time. On this level, a band like Joy Division is far more influential and "greater" than most bands (including PJ).

YLed2

And I really hate to say this, but if we are adding a list of solo/individuals of all time, you have to add Michael Jackson to that list. You just have to.