I think a lot of people could make a pretty strong argument for Pearl Jam. Not necessarily my opnion, but I'd have a hard time arguing against it. Don't get me wrong, they're incredible live and I do enjoy every album they release, but if I try to look at their latest releases from a critical, non biased stand point....well let's just say it's not too pretty.
I hear you, but my thought on the PJ topic is that the majority of people out there aren't real music fans...not like everyone who is reading this right now. They aren't in any fan clubs, they don't spend time on fan forums, they don't go to many concerts, they don't buy much music, and they only listen to what the radio gods say is worth listening to. There are unfortunatley a lot more sheeple on this planet than people.
Granted...PJ could've done a better job promoting themselves post Vs., but it is what it is.
That being said...you all get a big :thumbdown: for mentioning PJ being anywhere near 'Crapper' status!!! :crazy:
Wow. That's one of the most pompous things I've ever read.
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Live. Mental Jewelry and Throwing Copper were awesome. It was a slow decline after that.
I liked those, and Secret Samadhi, but didn't like them after that.
after that it seemed to become the vehicle of Eddie K and his spiritual views.......the front cover of Songs From Black Mountain made it look like he saw himself as some kind of prophet.
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I think a lot of people could make a pretty strong argument for Pearl Jam. Not necessarily my opnion, but I'd have a hard time arguing against it. Don't get me wrong, they're incredible live and I do enjoy every album they release, but if I try to look at their latest releases from a critical, non biased stand point....well let's just say it's not too pretty.
I hear you, but my thought on the PJ topic is that the majority of people out there aren't real music fans...not like everyone who is reading this right now. They aren't in any fan clubs, they don't spend time on fan forums, they don't go to many concerts, they don't buy much music, and they only listen to what the radio gods say is worth listening to. There are unfortunatley a lot more sheeple on this planet than people.
Granted...PJ could've done a better job promoting themselves post Vs., but it is what it is.
That being said...you all get a big :thumbdown: for mentioning PJ being anywhere near 'Crapper' status!!! :crazy:
I dunno. I think Backspacer is pretty close to "crapper" territory. Can't tell you how many times I've read "it's a bad album by PJ standards, but great compared to everybody else" on this board. That just reeks of fans justifying a crummy album. I think a lot of the albums mentioned, so far, as examples of bands entering the craposphere are miles better.
Do I think PJ is anywhere near crapper territory as a whole? Hell no!!! Not by a long shot, or I wouldn't be here.
I think a lot of people could make a pretty strong argument for Pearl Jam. Not necessarily my opnion, but I'd have a hard time arguing against it. Don't get me wrong, they're incredible live and I do enjoy every album they release, but if I try to look at their latest releases from a critical, non biased stand point....well let's just say it's not too pretty.
I hear you, but my thought on the PJ topic is that the majority of people out there aren't real music fans...not like everyone who is reading this right now. They aren't in any fan clubs, they don't spend time on fan forums, they don't go to many concerts, they don't buy much music, and they only listen to what the radio gods say is worth listening to. There are unfortunatley a lot more sheeple on this planet than people.
Granted...PJ could've done a better job promoting themselves post Vs., but it is what it is.
That being said...you all get a big :thumbdown: for mentioning PJ being anywhere near 'Crapper' status!!! :crazy:
Wow. That's one of the most pompous things I've ever read.
I don't think it's pompous, it just doesn't make sense as an argument. Some of the stuff he says is true, but I don't see the bearing it has on this discussion. Reminds of that scene that people often reference, from Billy Madison.
I don't think it's pompous, it just doesn't make sense as an argument. Some of the stuff he says is true, but I don't see the bearing it has on this discussion. Reminds of that scene that people often reference, from Billy Madison.
Belonging to a message board or fan club does not make one more enlightened when it comes to music. Those that don't aren't "sheeple" who have to be told what to listen to.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
I don't think it's pompous, it just doesn't make sense as an argument. Some of the stuff he says is true, but I don't see the bearing it has on this discussion. Reminds of that scene that people often reference, from Billy Madison.
Belonging to a message board or fan club does not make one more enlightened when it comes to music. Those that don't aren't "sheeple" who have to be told what to listen to.
Did I say that if you aren't a fan club member or peruse music forums, you are a sheeple? No...I simply meant to say that there are exponentionally more casual music listeners in the world than those who might consider themselves authorities on music as a whole, or any genre of music.
To clarify...I am FAR from an authority on music 'as a whole'...but I know 'grunge' about as good as anyone on the planet not hailing from Seattle in the early to mid 90's.
Have a nice day.
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Here's an interesting question, if pearl jams first 3 albums didn't exist, would they have the luxury of releasing whatever they want, with a lot of fanfare?? and would the fans still attend their concerts without the hits from the first 3 albums?? I think yes pj have hit the crapper, but we can always listen to ten,vs, vitalogy and for me even yield and all we be forgotten.
I hear you, but my thought on the PJ topic is that the majority of people out there aren't real music fans...not like everyone who is reading this right now. They aren't in any fan clubs, they don't spend time on fan forums, they don't go to many concerts, they don't buy much music, and they only listen to what the radio gods say is worth listening to. There are unfortunatley a lot more sheeple on this planet than people.
Granted...PJ could've done a better job promoting themselves post Vs., but it is what it is.
That being said...you all get a big :thumbdown: for mentioning PJ being anywhere near 'Crapper' status!!! :crazy:
Says the guy that has Radiohead going downhill after the 90s.
This thread hit the crapper on post #1
That said, my contribution to this post (at least one not mentioned, although I agree with others, including PJ..at least post RA): Muse
Maybe not all "crapper" status but a steady decline for
Foo Fighters
RHCP
Live
Interpol
Radiohead
I totally agree with the OP. Radioheads first three albums were great and the bends will always be a fave but after that? Fuck me, what a crock of shite
If we want to be technical about it, most bands that have been together for a significant amount of time (8-10 years+) tend to hit the crapper at some point. I think you are more hard pressed to find alot of bands that have a record of a stellar-bordering on flawless catalog.
Gotta love seeing Ten Club members posting opinions about Pearl Jam hitting the crapper after this or that record. If you hold that belief then why the shit are you even here?
I have to disagree with the idea of Radiohead hitting the crapper. I don't think their last album was that good but it wasn't craptastic....just sounded like, well, the Radiohead of recent years. Anyway, it's hard to take anyone seriously when they reduce a great record such as Kid A to "blips and bloops."
Weezer is the first band that comes to mind when reading the thread title. Just holy shit, they're so bad. And it's so sad that they released two super great records, basically masterpieces, and then so blatantly just gave up and started writing such junk.
Green Day...Jimmy Eat World...that's all I can think of at the moment.
I personally don't feel this way, but I know a lot of people think Metallica.
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Kid A and Amnesiac to me were trash. fuck the bleeps and bloops. give me actual instruments.
I thought the Pumpkins' Zeitgeist was one of their best ever. I know I'm in the minority on that, but I loved it, I listened to it today as a matter of fact. Oceania? ok, but kinda boring. Just one long song to me. But the live show to go along with it was good. A bit too pumped up though. It was billed as "visually stunning effects from the same guy who brought you Roger Waters The Wall Live". SP had a spinning globe with some images on it. It was bizarre that they pumped it up the way they did. Maybe Billy expected everyone to be on shrooms.
Chili Peppers are a great example of your original question. I find their music a complete bore now. I bought their last one for $5, listened to it, and gave it away. it's really too bad, because their output is 10x the quantity of PJ. Seriously, 18 b sides from one album? that's insane. good for RHCP fans.
Kid A and Amnesiac to me were trash. fuck the bleeps and bloops. give me actual instruments.
I thought the Pumpkins' Zeitgeist was one of their best ever. I know I'm in the minority on that, but I loved it, I listened to it today as a matter of fact. Oceania? ok, but kinda boring. Just one long song to me. But the live show to go along with it was good. A bit too pumped up though. It was billed as "visually stunning effects from the same guy who brought you Roger Waters The Wall Live". SP had a spinning globe with some images on it. It was bizarre that they pumped it up the way they did. Maybe Billy expected everyone to be on shrooms.
Chili Peppers are a great example of your original question. I find their music a complete bore now. I bought their last one for $5, listened to it, and gave it away. it's really too bad, because their output is 10x the quantity of PJ. Seriously, 18 b sides from one album? that's insane. good for RHCP fans.
I totally agree with SP's Zeitgeist. It was the first album I bought of theirs even though I had been a fan long before. I loved Z then worked my way backwards all the to their first. I bought Oceania you are exactly right it really bored me to no end. I was looking for one song with an edge, some heavy riffs nothing nada.
I hate to say it but my friend Michael Franti and Spearhead. Loved his music from 20+ years ago with his political stances. Today he's appears to be looking more for the hits with radio play. Nothing wrong with that but I'm just more in tune his stirring political views and earthly lyrics. The music just seems watered down of late including his new album ALL PEOPLE. He's coming here to Fort Lauderdale on Thursday, Club Revolution. We are supposed to have dinner him, the band and road crew. Then a costume party afterwards.....my costume the Gary Shider of Parliament Funkadelic with the diaper. it should be lots of fun...I wonder where can I find a huge Afro wig?
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Maybe not all "crapper" status but a steady decline for
Foo Fighters
RHCP
Live
Interpol
Radiohead
I totally agree with the OP. Radioheads first three albums were great and the bends will always be a fave but after that? Fuck me, what a crock of shite
Foo Fighters? No way, man. Their last two albums were great.
I'll contribute The Darkness to the thread though.
The strokes - classic first album but they were never really able to capture that magic again, not that everything they've put out since has been bad, but it hasn't been on the same level of the first one.
Same goes for interpol
My favorite band that had a severe decline would be oasis. Two masterpieces followed by a great album that I love, followed by a bunch of mediocrity. Some songs being almost unlistenable.
Can I get some clarification here? Are we saying that all of these bands hit the crapper never to return? Or have some of them redeemed themselves?
As for Kid A's bleeps and bloops? It may not have a hook or a catchy chorus or guitars plugged into distortion pedals, but I say this is a masterpiece.
Gotta love seeing Ten Club members posting opinions about Pearl Jam hitting the crapper after this or that record. If you hold that belief then why the shit are you even here?
They still can write the occasional tune, but it's not like 91-98 where every tune they wrote is great. But it's silly to think just because we don't view a band in a certain light we have to leave the band behind.
I'm more dubious of people who can't acknowledge anything negative about the band more than people who do.
My favorite band that had a severe decline would be oasis. Two masterpieces followed by a great album that I love, followed by a bunch of mediocrity. Some songs being almost unlistenable.
Yes. As soon as Noel stopped writing 100% of the songs, they started to suck.
Gotta love seeing Ten Club members posting opinions about Pearl Jam hitting the crapper after this or that record. If you hold that belief then why the shit are you even here?
They still can write the occasional tune, but it's not like 91-98 where every tune they wrote is great. But it's silly to think just because we don't view a band in a certain light we have to leave the band behind.
I'm more dubious of people who can't acknowledge anything negative about the band more than people who do.
Plus, we're using the word "crapper" very loosely here, in some cases we mean they went to absolute shit and in others we're just talking a drop off in quality. The Stones are my other favorite band, and I can't sit here and tell you with a straight face that their post-Tattoo You catalog is as good as their stuff from the 60's, 70's and first part of the 80's. I enjoy their later period, I like Bridges To Babylon and Voodoo Lounge for instance, but I'm not going to pretend they're as good as Exile On Main St. In the case of both PJ and The Stones, I still enjoy talking about the music. Especially the part of their career I enjoy the most. I haven't hated anything PJ has done, but I do wonder if I'd like some of it as much if another band put it out. I'm enjoying LB for instance, but it's not a revelation or anything. Like No Code and Yield were when I heard them. It's more like, "Hey, that's pretty damn good" as opposed to "Holy shit!". And I thought it was a huge improvement over the last album, so I was pleasantly surprised. But being a member here doesn't mean you have to constantly drink the PJ Kool Aid.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
Gotta love seeing Ten Club members posting opinions about Pearl Jam hitting the crapper after this or that record. If you hold that belief then why the shit are you even here?
They still can write the occasional tune, but it's not like 91-98 where every tune they wrote is great. But it's silly to think just because we don't view a band in a certain light we have to leave the band behind.
I'm more dubious of people who can't acknowledge anything negative about the band more than people who do.
Plus, we're using the word "crapper" very loosely here, in some cases we mean they went to absolute shit and in others we're just talking a drop off in quality. The Stones are my other favorite band, and I can't sit here and tell you with a straight face that their post-Tattoo You catalog is as good as their stuff from the 60's, 70's and first part of the 80's. I enjoy their later period, I like Bridges To Babylon and Voodoo Lounge for instance, but I'm not going to pretend they're as good as Exile On Main St. In the case of both PJ and The Stones, I still enjoy talking about the music. Especially the part of their career I enjoy the most. I haven't hated anything PJ has done, but I do wonder if I'd like some of it as much if another band put it out. I'm enjoying LB for instance, but it's not a revelation or anything. Like No Code and Yield were when I heard them. It's more like, "Hey, that's pretty damn good" as opposed to "Holy shit!". And I thought it was a huge improvement over the last album, so I was pleasantly surprised. But being a member here doesn't mean you have to constantly drink the PJ Kool Aid.
True, true. Good points, dudes. "The Crapper" just seemed an unfair place for a fan to put PJ, haha, but if we're talkin' about different levels of "crap," if you will, then okay.
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I have to disagree with the idea of Radiohead hitting the crapper. I don't think their last album was that good but it wasn't craptastic....just sounded like, well, the Radiohead of recent years. Anyway, it's hard to take anyone seriously when they reduce a great record such as Kid A to "blips and bloops."
it's an opinion, dude. I like them better when they leave the effects and keyboards in the other room. simple as that. I didn't like Kid A or Amnesiac, loved In Rainbows, didn't like King of Limbs. I've loved those songs when Thom has played them live acoustically, like at Bridge School.
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Wow. That's one of the most pompous things I've ever read.
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I liked those, and Secret Samadhi, but didn't like them after that.
after that it seemed to become the vehicle of Eddie K and his spiritual views.......the front cover of Songs From Black Mountain made it look like he saw himself as some kind of prophet.
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I dunno. I think Backspacer is pretty close to "crapper" territory. Can't tell you how many times I've read "it's a bad album by PJ standards, but great compared to everybody else" on this board. That just reeks of fans justifying a crummy album. I think a lot of the albums mentioned, so far, as examples of bands entering the craposphere are miles better.
Do I think PJ is anywhere near crapper territory as a whole? Hell no!!! Not by a long shot, or I wouldn't be here.
I don't think it's pompous, it just doesn't make sense as an argument. Some of the stuff he says is true, but I don't see the bearing it has on this discussion. Reminds of that scene that people often reference, from Billy Madison.
Belonging to a message board or fan club does not make one more enlightened when it comes to music. Those that don't aren't "sheeple" who have to be told what to listen to.
Did I say that if you aren't a fan club member or peruse music forums, you are a sheeple? No...I simply meant to say that there are exponentionally more casual music listeners in the world than those who might consider themselves authorities on music as a whole, or any genre of music.
To clarify...I am FAR from an authority on music 'as a whole'...but I know 'grunge' about as good as anyone on the planet not hailing from Seattle in the early to mid 90's.
Have a nice day.
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This thread hit the crapper on post #1
That said, my contribution to this post (at least one not mentioned, although I agree with others, including PJ..at least post RA): Muse
Foo Fighters
RHCP
Live
Interpol
Radiohead
I totally agree with the OP. Radioheads first three albums were great and the bends will always be a fave but after that? Fuck me, what a crock of shite
The Bends - very good album.
Ok Computer - good album.
Everything since - pretentious bore.
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I have to disagree with the idea of Radiohead hitting the crapper. I don't think their last album was that good but it wasn't craptastic....just sounded like, well, the Radiohead of recent years. Anyway, it's hard to take anyone seriously when they reduce a great record such as Kid A to "blips and bloops."
Weezer is the first band that comes to mind when reading the thread title. Just holy shit, they're so bad. And it's so sad that they released two super great records, basically masterpieces, and then so blatantly just gave up and started writing such junk.
Green Day...Jimmy Eat World...that's all I can think of at the moment.
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I totally agree with SP's Zeitgeist. It was the first album I bought of theirs even though I had been a fan long before. I loved Z then worked my way backwards all the to their first. I bought Oceania you are exactly right it really bored me to no end. I was looking for one song with an edge, some heavy riffs nothing nada.
I hate to say it but my friend Michael Franti and Spearhead. Loved his music from 20+ years ago with his political stances. Today he's appears to be looking more for the hits with radio play. Nothing wrong with that but I'm just more in tune his stirring political views and earthly lyrics. The music just seems watered down of late including his new album ALL PEOPLE. He's coming here to Fort Lauderdale on Thursday, Club Revolution. We are supposed to have dinner him, the band and road crew. Then a costume party afterwards.....my costume the Gary Shider of Parliament Funkadelic with the diaper.
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Foo Fighters? No way, man. Their last two albums were great.
I'll contribute The Darkness to the thread though.
The strokes - classic first album but they were never really able to capture that magic again, not that everything they've put out since has been bad, but it hasn't been on the same level of the first one.
Same goes for interpol
My favorite band that had a severe decline would be oasis. Two masterpieces followed by a great album that I love, followed by a bunch of mediocrity. Some songs being almost unlistenable.
As for Kid A's bleeps and bloops? It may not have a hook or a catchy chorus or guitars plugged into distortion pedals, but I say this is a masterpiece.
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Stadium Arcadium is poor - but the last album is horrific.
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They still can write the occasional tune, but it's not like 91-98 where every tune they wrote is great. But it's silly to think just because we don't view a band in a certain light we have to leave the band behind.
I'm more dubious of people who can't acknowledge anything negative about the band more than people who do.
Yes. As soon as Noel stopped writing 100% of the songs, they started to suck.
Plus, we're using the word "crapper" very loosely here, in some cases we mean they went to absolute shit and in others we're just talking a drop off in quality. The Stones are my other favorite band, and I can't sit here and tell you with a straight face that their post-Tattoo You catalog is as good as their stuff from the 60's, 70's and first part of the 80's. I enjoy their later period, I like Bridges To Babylon and Voodoo Lounge for instance, but I'm not going to pretend they're as good as Exile On Main St. In the case of both PJ and The Stones, I still enjoy talking about the music. Especially the part of their career I enjoy the most. I haven't hated anything PJ has done, but I do wonder if I'd like some of it as much if another band put it out. I'm enjoying LB for instance, but it's not a revelation or anything. Like No Code and Yield were when I heard them. It's more like, "Hey, that's pretty damn good" as opposed to "Holy shit!". And I thought it was a huge improvement over the last album, so I was pleasantly surprised. But being a member here doesn't mean you have to constantly drink the PJ Kool Aid.
True, true. Good points, dudes. "The Crapper" just seemed an unfair place for a fan to put PJ, haha, but if we're talkin' about different levels of "crap," if you will, then okay.
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Beach Boys (especially after Carl died, though their recent reunion album was pretty good, thanks to Brian)
it's an opinion, dude. I like them better when they leave the effects and keyboards in the other room. simple as that. I didn't like Kid A or Amnesiac, loved In Rainbows, didn't like King of Limbs. I've loved those songs when Thom has played them live acoustically, like at Bridge School.
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