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edited January 2008 in The Porch
agree or disagree?

i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,919
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.


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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,333
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.


    i agree about crazy mary, but disagree overall. please reference Porch at Soldier Field 1995, Atlanta 1994.
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  • alexross42alexross42 Posts: 374
    I disagree and actually wish they would jam more - as already mentioned, check out any number of Porch jams. I think Boom adds an interesting new element to the band's sound and love what he does during Crazy Mary - Wembley '07 in particular was awesome when he and Mike were jamming/trading off during this song!
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,333
    alexross42 wrote:
    I disagree and actually wish they would jam more - as already mentioned, check out any number of Porch jams. I think Boom adds an interesting new element to the band's sound and love what he does during Crazy Mary - Wembley '07 in particular was awesome when he and Mike were jamming/trading off during this song!


    i think that the organ sometimes makes it sound too "circus-y." its like i'm waiting for juggling clowns to come out.
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    The Jeagler wrote:
    you're nuts.


    agreed
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  • LineOneMightyFineLineOneMightyFine Posts: 347
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.

    That's crazy talk. Personally, the jam in RVM is one of my absolute favorite things they do. I'd hate for them to stop doing it. I'll agree a little on Crazy Mary, mainly because that song doesn't do much for me.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    they can definately jam (when Boom free). I wish they would do it more.


    Eddie's Improvisational lyric skills, on the other hand, fucking suck.
  • smarcheesmarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    ejny wrote:
    That's crazy talk. Personally, the jam in RVM is one of my absolute favorite things they do. I'd hate for them to stop doing it. I'll agree a little on Crazy Mary, mainly because that song doesn't do much for me.

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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,723
    2-feign-reluctance wrote:
    i think that the organ sometimes makes it sound too "circus-y." its like i'm waiting for juggling clowns to come out.
    i once went out with a girl who wanted to be in the circus......

    but thats another story for another day.......
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  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    nope. love the jam, love the organ.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • QuarterToTenQuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,642
    disagree 100%

    the rvm and red mosquito jam we got in columbus in 2003
    were nothing less than outstanding.

    seemed to go on forever.

    bring on the jam.
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,783
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.

    Hm...I disagree with this completely, especially on the Crazy Mary point. I do think they jam just enough, though; much more would be too much.
  • Yellow LedbellyYellow Ledbelly Posts: 3,749
    I also would agree on Crazy Mary...those jams get fairly annoying to me after a while. Overall, though, I would definitely disagree. It is true, I suppose, that RVM might not produce their best jams (not a big fan of the one on the Garden dvd), but 9 times out of 10 I love their jams
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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    While I can kinda understand where you're coming from, I disagree totally. A good rvm jam sends chills over me and builds up to such a fantastic climax to a show. To me, it's an indication of their communication as a band, and their connection with the audience. Can't be beat.


    plus... if you've ever heard the improv before Immortality from Nagoya, Japan in 2003 (and if you've sat through the credits of the Showbox DVD then you have) then you know how amazing a jam band they can be.
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  • whoYOUarewhoYOUare Posts: 274
    the Halifax RVM jam was AMAZING
    Crazy Mary in Montreal was SIIIIIIIIICK
    have you heard I've Got a Feeling from Boston in 94? another great jam

    with that being said, they are not like Phish, or the Dead, or any of Les Claypools 9,647 projects, or any other jam band for that reason. They do what they do in a more structured way and dont practice that nearly as much as the aformentioned bands.
    are hte great at jamming? no, not really, but they can do it, and it is good when they do.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,333
    plus... if you've ever heard the improv before Immortality from Nagoya, Japan in 2003 (and if you've sat through the credits of the Showbox DVD then you have) then you know how amazing a jam band they can be.[/quote]



    very good point. i love that Nagoya improv. picked that one up on iTunes awhile back. that audience is CRAZY quiet! almost like they weren't there.
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  • Niko80Niko80 Posts: 1,608
    They jam pretty good these days.

    They jammed very very very good in the 90's!
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    djerdap wrote:
    Fuck Me in the Brain and Ottawa Black prove you wrong.

    I don't mind the jams, but I could live without them (especially the RVM one). Porch is an example of an excellent jam, especially on the '94 tour.


    the new Wishlist, Porch and Daughter improvs prove me right. ;)
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,030
    I agree with the original poster and disagree with all the homers.
  • MikeLoveMikeLove Posts: 67
    I got into Pearl Jam because of the jamming. I never listened to them before the 2000 European Boots but the McCready Gossard Tandem are the best in the business right now (Except for Trucks and Haynes on a particularly hot night)
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,030
    MikeLove wrote:
    I got into Pearl Jam because of the jamming. I never listened to them before the 2000 European Boots but the McCready Gossard Tandem are the best in the business right now (Except for Trucks and Haynes on a particularly hot night)

    You have to be smoking some serious dope to say that. Serious dope. The "Who is better: Jimmy Page or Mike McCready" thread could be good for you.
  • eldermanelderman Posts: 180
    I enjoy P J's jams and wish they would do more..."Big wave" is crying out for an improv.
    I will admit though that the last minute of the jam on RVM bores me at this stage of my life.
  • Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.
    I'd stick with saving animals and let people with better ears comment on the music...
  • stevehomeairstevehomeair Posts: 318
    If they didn't jam ed's voice would be shat, the dude needs a couple minutes some times to let the throat chill.. no jam=no blood & no evolution anymore.
  • SENROCKSENROCK Posts: 10,736
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.

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  • jamminpearlsjamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.
    your out of your mind. Listen to porch from eastruth2 or crazy mary from san diego06 philly 05 or grand rapids06, then tell me u hate the jamming.
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    hobbes wrote:
    agree or disagree?

    i personally can't stand when they jam on rvm. plus i don't want to hear three or four minutes of noise during crazy mary either. while boom might add a certain dynamic to other songs (those with keys in the studio versions) his "solo" during crazy mary is abysmal.

    take away those five to ten minutes of worthless jamming and give me other songs. hell. i'll even go so far as to say i'd rather hear wishlist or sweet lew.

    What?!

    I love a long RVM!! :D
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  • zootownzootown Posts: 666
    to jam or not to jam...either way, it's what the band wants to do as artists, and that is why I still pay for the ticket man, because this band has maintained their integrity as musicians and artists. Of course, everyone has a right to their opinion, but do you really think Mike or stone or Jeff or Ed or Matt or even Boom care that much about what fans think about their improvisation? They do it because they want to, and it is NOT FOR YOU!
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  • prismprism Posts: 2,440
    justam wrote:
    What?!

    I love a long RVM!! :D



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