Question for the non-religous

chadwick

BinFrog wrote:

chadwick wrote:

if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe

You'd be incorrect.

I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.

& you are right, sir. it is very basic stuff to be a decent soul

the nose diving plane is a skit in some comedians stand up act.

MotoDC

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

exactly. human morality was around long before we invented god and heaven.

If by "god and heaven" you mean any form of spirituality w/ implied or explicit consequences for actions...then that was one immensely bold, unqualified statement that would require insight from historians, religious scholars, and some of the brightest philosophical minds to make meaningfully. What are you basing that on?

chadwick

i still believe non-believers believe in something

BinFrog

chadwick wrote:

i still believe non-believers believe in something

I do. That doesn't mean i believe in the afterlife.

MotoDC

hedonist wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Interesting, Hedonist -- are you intentionally differentiating between religious and "spiritual"? If not, how does one discuss a belief in the existence of an unearthly afterlife w/o a supportive believe in spirits, non-scientific existence, etc, of some sort?

I guess I see religion as more...organized. Concise with their guidelines/rules. Faith in a higher power, with repercussions (or not) based on the life lived. I differentiate because while I can't say god does or doesn't exist, I do believe in the good and negative energies people give off and pass on.

I *think* some energy remains after death - whether actual or perceived or maybe both, I don't know. But I've sensed/smelled my late dad's presence a couple of times. I believe it was real, but I can't say for sure.

(I actually can't say anything for sure on this topic )

It just feels better to me, to live as good (all-encompassing word there!) a life as possible with no purpose other than it's just the right thing to do, for me.

Ah ok I gotcha. That's kinda what I mean by differentiating between religion and spirituality.

polaris_x

chadwick wrote:

i still believe non-believers believe in something

they are called agnostic ... those who don't are called atheists ... as it relates to a higher power ...

Gern Blansten

THE LOOK wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

So you're asking what non-religious people (who generally don't believe in the afterlife) think about the souls of evil people? For real?

I guess I shouldn't have used the word "souls". I am just curious what people think about those who have caused great harm. Is there karma, spiritual judgment, etc. It is just hard for me to think that someone could murder and just cease to exist. I am just looking for people to share their thoughts, not clown me for my question.

I used to sit and church and think about stuff like this.

Say you've got a husband and wife. Wife dies and husband imagines meeting up with her in heaven. Only (unbeknownst to husband) she was thinking about leaving husband for guy down the street. So when the husband dies....does he hook up with this backstabbing bitch? Or is he left to jerk off while he watches his wife get it on with the guy down the street in heaven (once he dies).

Or the honest case where wife dies and husband remarries...wife dies again...then husband dies. Is there this big jealousy triangle in heaven?

Of course I don't believe that stuff....we're worm food bro

chadwick

worms eat meat, worms can't eat souls

we do have souls/spirits, yes/no?

catefrances

THE LOOK wrote:

What happens to the souls of people, that have caused great harm, ( Hitler, etc. ) here on earth?

Just curious....

as it my conscience that I deem my soul, id say it dies with them.

Gern Blansten

No souls....ask a doctor

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

worms eat meat, worms can't eat souls

we do have souls/spirits, yes/no?

worms eat us(meat/wormfood) when we die helping to return us to the earth....

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

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if they are in a jet, 35,000 ft up & they are doing a nose dive, i would imagine they are screaming to god & wondering about what is going to happen as their life flashes before them

id be hoping the pilot could pull us out of the nosedive... I surely wouldn't be screaming to a God I do not believe exists.. tho yeah theres a very good chance id be thinking of the life id lead so far and how not in control of our death we are. but mostly I think id be coming to terms with the fact that im just about to die.

catefrances

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

chadwick wrote:

if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe

You'd be incorrect.

I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.

exactly. human morality was around long before we invented god and heaven.

im not so sure about that hugh... goddesses/gods have been around for a very very long time... sincepaleolithic times according to some sources. or are you speaking of the Christian capital G god?

Last-12-Exit

nothing....

"its over johnny, over"

Kathi

BinFrog wrote:

chadwick wrote:

if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe

You'd be incorrect.

I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.

this. I've had a very heated discussion about this with one of my friends lately, who just wouldn't understand that morality does not have to be connected to religion.
I know what is right and what is wrong and act accordingly, don't need any invisible friends to tell me what to do.

chadwick

^^^^^^ but invisible friends are the best :crazy:

Pingfah

chadwick wrote:

if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe

If belief in god is the reason why you are not out there "fucking some shit up", then you are not a good person at all, just a fearful one. Your assertion that others must believe in god regardless of what they say, is merely a reflection of your own limited perspective.

catefrances

Pingfah wrote:

chadwick wrote:

if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe

If belief in god is the reason why you are not out there "fucking some shit up", then you are not a good person at all, just a fearful one. Your assertion that others must believe in god regardless of what they say, is merely a reflection of your own limited perspective.

not to mention offensive.

jumbojet

THE LOOK wrote:

What happens to the souls of people, that have caused great harm, ( Hitler, etc. ) here on earth?

Just curious....

Really? Is this the way to prove existence of God, now? Since Hitler has existed, it means there should be a God somewhere.

I think religion supporters should turn back to classical models of God proof. Like, there should be a wise intelligence who designed all of this. This cannot happen by itself. At least, there will be an argument going on.

catefrances

jumbojet wrote:

THE LOOK wrote:

What happens to the souls of people, that have caused great harm, ( Hitler, etc. ) here on earth?

Just curious....

Really? Is this the way to prove existence of God, now? Since Hitler has existed, it means there should be a God somewhere.

I think religion supporters should turn back to classical models of God proof. Like, there should be a wise intelligence who designed all of this. This cannot happen by itself. At least, there will be an argument going on.

wise intelligence??? you say this (whatever that is) can not happen by itself. why not? and what is the this you speak of?