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THE LOOKTHE LOOK Posts: 324
edited October 2013 in A Moving Train
What happens to the souls of people, that have caused great harm, ( Hitler, etc. ) here on earth?

Just curious....
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    So you're asking what non-religious people (who generally don't believe in the afterlife) think about the souls of evil people? For real?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    If there is no heaven and there is no hell...then nothing. They cease to exist when the body dies.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I'm not religious, but my girlfriend and her family are. I see through the tax exempt stays and the messages they create from that. I see religion as a giant money making scheme for certain elite.

    That being said I might convert to Catholic just to appease her. It's a decision I'm not taking lightly. I feel comfortable enough knowing that I'll play the game and not be brainwashed, and I'm only doing it for one reason. I have no problems with others doing it as long as it isn't pushed on me. I sit and roll my eyes at the bs spouted when they talk about a person and say he was a good guy because he had Jesus in his life. They make it sound that he'd have been a terrible person without.
  • KK171821KK171821 Posts: 65
    THE LOOK wrote:
    What happens to the souls of people, that have caused great harm, ( Hitler, etc. ) here on earth?

    Just curious....

    same thing that happens to yours
  • THE LOOKTHE LOOK Posts: 324
    BinFrog wrote:
    So you're asking what non-religious people (who generally don't believe in the afterlife) think about the souls of evil people? For real?


    I guess I shouldn't have used the word "souls". I am just curious what people think about those who have caused great harm. Is there karma, spiritual judgment, etc. It is just hard for me to think that someone could murder and just cease to exist. I am just looking for people to share their thoughts, not clown me for my question.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    THE LOOK wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    So you're asking what non-religious people (who generally don't believe in the afterlife) think about the souls of evil people? For real?


    I guess I shouldn't have used the word "souls". I am just curious what people think about those who have caused great harm. Is there karma, spiritual judgment, etc. It is just hard for me to think that someone could murder and just cease to exist. I am just looking for people to share their thoughts, not clown me for my question.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    One needn't be religious to believe there may be something after this life. Not heaven or hell - I don't believe they exist - but I think maybe, maybe something else.

    As to the question, I don't see any differentiation in what could happen after death based on one's actions while living...if that makes sense.
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    My take:

    Your "soul" lives on by the deeds you did in real life which echo after you die in the minds of those that remain.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    BinFrog wrote:
    My take:

    Your "soul" lives on by the deeds you did in real life which echo after you die in the minds of those that remain.

    Memories. Yes.
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    edited October 2013
    Dust or souls, divine judgement or no, if nothing else they serve a purpose in terms of helping us define true evil. They help us, as the creators and shapers of the future, understand what NOT to do. Therein lies one of the many powers of the historian -- (re)defining who was good and evil such that future generations will carry on that belief in their own decisions and actions. An intensely cliched, but reliably apt, example of this is the "Hitler" effect. That is, if you can find any parallel between a Hilterian thought process and that of whoever you're trying to "prove wrong", it's almost ipso facto understood that that person is in the wrong. However the phenomenon backfires a bit in that context b/c the Hitler comparison is such an easy "card to pull" and has been so overdone:

    Brynzie: "Palestine should have its own state and the Israel should be smaller"
    Person B: "Hilter would agree with that"
    Byrnzie: ...
    Person B: "OMG you're Hitler and I win"
    Byrnzie: ...

    :lol: :twisted:

    I dunno just thinking out loud here (other than that last part, which was ofc said in jest).
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  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    MotoDC wrote:
    Dust or souls, divine judgement or no, if nothing else they serve a purpose in terms of helping us define true evil. They help us, as the creators and shapers of the future, understand what NOT to do. Therein lies one of the many powers of the historian -- (re)defining who was good and evil such that future generations will carry on that belief in their own decisions and actions. An intensely cliched, but reliably apt, example of this is the "Hitler" effect. That is, if you can find any parallel between a Hilterian thought process and that of whoever you're trying to "prove wrong", it's almost ipso facto understood that that person is in the wrong. However the phenomenon backfires a bit in that context b/c the Hitler comparison is such an easy "card to pull" and has been so overdone.

    I dunno just thinking out loud here.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    BinFrog wrote:
    MotoDC wrote:
    Dust or souls, divine judgement or no, if nothing else they serve a purpose in terms of helping us define true evil. They help us, as the creators and shapers of the future, understand what NOT to do. Therein lies one of the many powers of the historian -- (re)defining who was good and evil such that future generations will carry on that belief in their own decisions and actions. An intensely cliched, but reliably apt, example of this is the "Hitler" effect. That is, if you can find any parallel between a Hilterian thought process and that of whoever you're trying to "prove wrong", it's almost ipso facto understood that that person is in the wrong. However the phenomenon backfires a bit in that context b/c the Hitler comparison is such an easy "card to pull" and has been so overdone.

    I dunno just thinking out loud here.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
    :lol: Perfect.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i kinda believe in karma ... or rather i hope there is karma ... but what happens after we die - i don't know nor do i particularly care ... if there is a heaven/hell ... great ... i'll deal with it then ... :lol:
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    unsung wrote:
    I'm not religious, but my girlfriend and her family are. I see through the tax exempt stays and the messages they create from that. I see religion as a giant money making scheme for certain elite.

    That being said I might convert to Catholic just to appease her. It's a decision I'm not taking lightly. I feel comfortable enough knowing that I'll play the game and not be brainwashed, and I'm only doing it for one reason. I have no problems with others doing it as long as it isn't pushed on me. I sit and roll my eyes at the bs spouted when they talk about a person and say he was a good guy because he had Jesus in his life. They make it sound that he'd have been a terrible person without.

    what the cuss? ... what if she asked you to vote democrat!? ... sell out! ... :lol::lol::lol::lol::)
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i would rather be dying & die being as wonderful as i could have been in this life vs' have been a complete monster like some folks.

    if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe


    if they are in a jet, 35,000 ft up & they are doing a nose dive, i would imagine they are screaming to god & wondering about what is going to happen as their life flashes before them
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    hedonist wrote:
    One needn't be religious to believe there may be something after this life. Not heaven or hell - I don't believe they exist - but I think maybe, maybe something else.
    Interesting, Hedonist -- are you intentionally differentiating between religious and "spiritual"? If not, how does one discuss a belief in the existence of an unearthly afterlife w/o a supportive believe in spirits, non-scientific existence, etc, of some sort?
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    chadwick wrote:
    if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe


    You'd be incorrect.

    I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

    Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    BinFrog wrote:
    You'd be incorrect.

    I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

    Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.

    especially when so many people who are fucking shit up espouse a religion and/or god ...
  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    BinFrog wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe


    You'd be incorrect.

    I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

    Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.

    exactly. human morality was around long before we invented god and heaven.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    MotoDC wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    One needn't be religious to believe there may be something after this life. Not heaven or hell - I don't believe they exist - but I think maybe, maybe something else.
    Interesting, Hedonist -- are you intentionally differentiating between religious and "spiritual"? If not, how does one discuss a belief in the existence of an unearthly afterlife w/o a supportive believe in spirits, non-scientific existence, etc, of some sort?
    I guess I see religion as more...organized. Concise with their guidelines/rules. Faith in a higher power, with repercussions (or not) based on the life lived. I differentiate because while I can't say god does or doesn't exist, I do believe in the good and negative energies people give off and pass on.

    I *think* some energy remains after death - whether actual or perceived or maybe both, I don't know. But I've sensed/smelled my late dad's presence a couple of times. I believe it was real, but I can't say for sure.

    (I actually can't say anything for sure on this topic ;) )

    It just feels better to me, to live as good (all-encompassing word there!) a life as possible with no purpose other than it's just the right thing to do, for me.
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    BinFrog wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    if those that believe there is no god & there is no afterlife, why aren't they fucking some shit up right now? the truth is most non-believers actually believe in some form of afterlife & they believe in some kind of god,... this is what i believe they believe


    You'd be incorrect.

    I don't believe in god or the afterlife. But morality is not lost on me as the result of my views. Why am I not "fucking shit up"? Easy: I know that being a good person is the right thing to do. It doesn't take faith to see that basic decency is a good thing.

    Golden rule? Ten commandments? Seems pretty basic to me.
    & you are right, sir. it is very basic stuff to be a decent soul

    the nose diving plane is a skit in some comedians stand up act.
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    exactly. human morality was around long before we invented god and heaven.
    If by "god and heaven" you mean any form of spirituality w/ implied or explicit consequences for actions...then that was one immensely bold, unqualified statement that would require insight from historians, religious scholars, and some of the brightest philosophical minds to make meaningfully. What are you basing that on?
  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    i still believe non-believers believe in something
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    chadwick wrote:
    i still believe non-believers believe in something

    I do. That doesn't mean i believe in the afterlife.
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    hedonist wrote:
    MotoDC wrote:
    Interesting, Hedonist -- are you intentionally differentiating between religious and "spiritual"? If not, how does one discuss a belief in the existence of an unearthly afterlife w/o a supportive believe in spirits, non-scientific existence, etc, of some sort?
    I guess I see religion as more...organized. Concise with their guidelines/rules. Faith in a higher power, with repercussions (or not) based on the life lived. I differentiate because while I can't say god does or doesn't exist, I do believe in the good and negative energies people give off and pass on.

    I *think* some energy remains after death - whether actual or perceived or maybe both, I don't know. But I've sensed/smelled my late dad's presence a couple of times. I believe it was real, but I can't say for sure.

    (I actually can't say anything for sure on this topic ;) )

    It just feels better to me, to live as good (all-encompassing word there!) a life as possible with no purpose other than it's just the right thing to do, for me.
    Ah ok I gotcha. That's kinda what I mean by differentiating between religion and spirituality.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    i still believe non-believers believe in something

    they are called agnostic ... those who don't are called atheists ... as it relates to a higher power ...
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,297
    THE LOOK wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    So you're asking what non-religious people (who generally don't believe in the afterlife) think about the souls of evil people? For real?


    I guess I shouldn't have used the word "souls". I am just curious what people think about those who have caused great harm. Is there karma, spiritual judgment, etc. It is just hard for me to think that someone could murder and just cease to exist. I am just looking for people to share their thoughts, not clown me for my question.

    I used to sit and church and think about stuff like this.

    Say you've got a husband and wife. Wife dies and husband imagines meeting up with her in heaven. Only (unbeknownst to husband) she was thinking about leaving husband for guy down the street. So when the husband dies....does he hook up with this backstabbing bitch? Or is he left to jerk off while he watches his wife get it on with the guy down the street in heaven (once he dies).

    Or the honest case where wife dies and husband remarries...wife dies again...then husband dies. Is there this big jealousy triangle in heaven?

    Of course I don't believe that stuff....we're worm food bro
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  • chadwickchadwick Posts: 21,157
    worms eat meat, worms can't eat souls

    we do have souls/spirits, yes/no?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    THE LOOK wrote:
    What happens to the souls of people, that have caused great harm, ( Hitler, etc. ) here on earth?

    Just curious....


    as it my conscience that I deem my soul, id say it dies with them.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,297
    No souls....ask a doctor
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