Flu Shots

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

OH please. "full of chemicals?"

Unless you are a fully organic vegan, you have ALL of those chemicals pretty much every day. In much higher quantities.

Why don't you tell us what the REAL problem is?

he thinks it's an elixir that will make him vote for one of the two major parties.

unsung

Elixir?

I'd have to remove half my brain to vote for a Republican or Democrat, unless it's a Paul or Amash.

brianlux

I knew this would get around to politics sooner or sooner.

You say, "Flu bugs-- we're gonna smoke 'em out!" and, "Give me flu shots or give me death!" and "Don't tread on my flu vaccines!"

I say, "Flu bugs have rights too" and, "Save the endangered flu bug!" and, "Be kind to the virus in your gut for a flu-bug may be somebody's mother."

Shall we go into why viruses are on the rise due to climate change?

But of course we all know that is true!

unsung

I merely responded.

Due to climate change? Perhaps. I also believe the use of anti-bacterial soaps contributes to stronger germs.

And what's with MSRA dominating hospitals? A work colleague went in for shoulder surgery and came out with a constant shaking from an infection that they had trouble fighting.

unsung

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

unsung wrote:

backseatLover12 wrote:

Instead of standing up for the "personal choice" mantra, why aren't people focusing on what's the best option for our HEALTH, other people's HEALTH, and just staying out of the hospital? Why must we be so focused on ourselves and our pride all the freaking, god damn time?!

So I should inject myself full of chemicals to make YOU happy?

OH please. "full of chemicals?"

Unless you are a fully organic vegan, you have ALL of those chemicals pretty much every day. In much higher quantities.

Why don't you tell us what the REAL problem is?

Why do you get so dramatic over the choices I make?

I prefer to be able to control things that I can. Of course there's things that we all can't, but when I have the choice that's generally the route I'm going. And yes, I eat a VERY clean diet. Is it perfect? I don't know. But I work very hard to avoid unhealthy items.

backseatLover12

unsung wrote:

backseatLover12 wrote:

Instead of standing up for the "personal choice" mantra, why aren't people focusing on what's the best option for our HEALTH, other people's HEALTH, and just staying out of the hospital? Why must we be so focused on ourselves and our pride all the freaking, god damn time?!

So I should inject myself full of chemicals to make YOU happy?

Defensive, aren't we.

It's the mindframe. Rather than think about the PURPOSE of a flu shot, you'd rather just jump to conclusions and get defensive about it. That's what's wrong with just about all of America. It's someone else's problem, govt is out to get me, and Fuck everyone else. You're the problem.

hedonist

backseatLover12 wrote:

Defensive, aren't we.

It's the mindframe. Rather than think about the PURPOSE of a flu shot, you'd rather just jump to conclusions and get defensive about it. That's what's wrong with just about all of America. It's someone else's problem, govt is out to get me, and Fuck everyone else. You're the problem.

Honestly, I haven't felt defensive about this issue at all - just been stating my opinion as have others; in fact, it seems there's been some finger-wagging, conclusion-jumping, and a bit of over-the-topness toward those who have chosen not to pursue the vaccine, for their own reasons.

I'm not of the "fuck everyone else" mindset, but will admit that when it comes to me...yes, I tend to look after myself first and before most others. I'll freely admit I can be selfish. Hell, who isn't as it suits them?

I don't think I'm the problem, but if others do? So be it.

backseatLover12

hedonist wrote:

backseatLover12 wrote:

Defensive, aren't we.

It's the mindframe. Rather than think about the PURPOSE of a flu shot, you'd rather just jump to conclusions and get defensive about it. That's what's wrong with just about all of America. It's someone else's problem, govt is out to get me, and Fuck everyone else. You're the problem.

Honestly, I haven't felt defensive about this issue at all - just been stating my opinion as have others; in fact, it seems there's been some finger-wagging, conclusion-jumping, and a bit of over-the-topness toward those who have chosen not to pursue the vaccine, for their own reasons.

I'm not of the "fuck everyone else" mindset, but will admit that when it comes to me...yes, I tend to look after myself first and before most others. I'll freely admit I can be selfish. Hell, who isn't as it suits them?

I don't think I'm the problem, but if others do? So be it.

My entire remark was towards unsung, hedonist. It's his tone.

My view is if you don't want the shot, that's fine, unless you are around those who are vulnerable (elderly, children, sickly, etc) on a regular basis. I don't care to hear any proud comments, or govt comments, it's a choice; but I think that we don't tend to think about health (ours and others) as much as we should. Those of us who are healthy take that for granted.

unsung

backseatLover12 wrote:

hedonist wrote:

backseatLover12 wrote:

Defensive, aren't we.

It's the mindframe. Rather than think about the PURPOSE of a flu shot, you'd rather just jump to conclusions and get defensive about it. That's what's wrong with just about all of America. It's someone else's problem, govt is out to get me, and Fuck everyone else. You're the problem.

Honestly, I haven't felt defensive about this issue at all - just been stating my opinion as have others; in fact, it seems there's been some finger-wagging, conclusion-jumping, and a bit of over-the-topness toward those who have chosen not to pursue the vaccine, for their own reasons.

I'm not of the "fuck everyone else" mindset, but will admit that when it comes to me...yes, I tend to look after myself first and before most others. I'll freely admit I can be selfish. Hell, who isn't as it suits them?

I don't think I'm the problem, but if others do? So be it.

My entire remark was towards unsung, hedonist. It's his tone.

My view is if you don't want the shot, that's fine, unless you are around those who are vulnerable (elderly, children, sickly, etc) on a regular basis. I don't care to hear any proud comments, or govt comments, it's a choice; but I think that we don't tend to think about health (ours and others) as much as we should. Those of us who are healthy take that for granted.

You can tell someone's tone based on typing? That's pretty amazing. Bottom line it is about choice, I choose not to. Move on.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

unsung wrote:

You can tell someone's tone based on typing? That's pretty amazing.

well if you can't then I guess any book you read would be pretty damn boring.

gimmesometruth27

i work in healthcare at a hospital with some senior citizens in our patient population. i always get a flu shot because i owe it to my patients that when they come to see the doctor i work with, they do not leave with me giving them the flu.

that is pretty much it.

if you work in healthcare, you should be doing it for altruistic reasons, and you should get a flu shot.

just my spare change on the matter....

brianlux

unsung wrote:

I merely responded.

Due to climate change? Perhaps. I also believe the use of anti-bacterial soaps contributes to stronger germs.

And what's with MSRA dominating hospitals? A work colleague went in for shoulder surgery and came out with a constant shaking from an infection that they had trouble fighting.

Sorry my sense of humor fell flat here. I'm more concerned about climate change causing the spread of diseases like malaria. And not just disease in humans but in plants and other animals as well.

Yeah-I've heard a lot about misgivings of over use of anti-baterial soaps. That stuff is everywhere now. A researcher I knew when I spent time volunteering at our local health library was very concerned over that issue. Good point. That and over-use of antibiotics!

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i work in healthcare at a hospital with some senior citizens in our patient population. i always get a flu shot because i owe it to my patients that when they come to see the doctor i work with, they do not leave with me giving them the flu.

that is pretty much it.

if you work in healthcare, you should be doing it for altruistic reasons, and you should get a flu shot.

just my spare change on the matter....

I did as well when I volunteered at our local health library- more for the patron's peace of mind than my own health.

unsung

brianlux wrote:

unsung wrote:

I merely responded.

Due to climate change? Perhaps. I also believe the use of anti-bacterial soaps contributes to stronger germs.

And what's with MSRA dominating hospitals? A work colleague went in for shoulder surgery and came out with a constant shaking from an infection that they had trouble fighting.

Sorry my sense of humor fell flat here. I'm more concerned about climate change causing the spread of diseases like malaria. And not just disease in humans but in plants and other animals as well.

Yeah-I've heard a lot about misgivings of over use of anti-baterial soaps. That stuff is everywhere now. A researcher I knew when I spent time volunteering at our local health library was very concerned over that issue. Good point. That and over-use of antibiotics!

Oh yeah that's another. Someone gets a bad cold and they go to the dr to get anti-biotics.

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

brianlux wrote:

f anti-baterial soaps. That stuff is everywhere now. A researcher I knew when I spent time volunteering at our local health library was very concerned over that issue. Good point. That and over-use of antibiotics!

Oh yeah that's another. Someone gets a bad cold and they go to the dr to get anti-biotics.

If your doctor is giving you antibiotics for a cold or a flu, get a new doctor. Colds and flus are caused by viruses and antibiotics fight bacteria. It would be like trying to neutralize an acid by pouring vinegar on it.

mickeyrat

Had a flu shot in boot camp for the navy back in 1988. I was laid up for the day having gotten something after receiving the shot. Another guy was laid for a week and wa sin danger of being hed back and not graduating with us due to this shot.

I've not had one since. Nor will I. Over the years I've felt bad for a day or two then on about the third or fourth day my lower half joints fronm the hips down ache something fierce. Day of rest then its gone.

backseatLover12

Got my flu shot today. I feel fine.

unsung

Interesting read, I wonder how much truth there is to it.


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Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

Interesting read, I wonder how much truth there is to it.

http://livefreelivenatural.com/merck-va ... d-monkeys/

considering how few legitimate news sources have mentioned it?

No much.

unsung

When you say legitimate do you mean the ones owned by people like Rupert Murdock who would probably stand to lose financially if this information ever made it to mainstream media? I'm sure he has invested in drug companies, I'd bet on it.