Flu Shots

hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Not sure how you made that conclusion or where the driving thing fits in.

Well you seem to be suggesting that because some people have bad reactions, that nobody should take it.

Well, some people have died by MANY things... including driving in a car... and yet it's the suggestion that people should take the flu vaccine if they can is somehow bad.

Maybe I'm not reading what you're writing properly.

And you seem to be assuming. I said I was curious (based on your saying that various groups of people would be exposed if I chose not to get the vaccine) and so referenced a reputable source indicating that those groups of people aren't among the "shouldn'ts".

Never did I say that what I choose for myself should go for everyone else. Never.

Prince Of Dorkness

I'm almost convinced we're really dealing with a bunch of wussies who are afraid of needles.

lukin2006

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I'm almost convinced we're really dealing with a bunch of wussies who are afraid of needles.

Nope ... Not afraid of needles, like I said personal choice.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I'm a wussie who is terrified of needles. 6 feet, 250 bills. scream like a little girl at the sight of em. but I get the flu shot for my daughters. but I don't ever want to live in a society where someone tells me I should/have to.

personal choice.

brianlux

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I'm almost convinced we're really dealing with a bunch of wussies who are afraid of needles.

Getting allergy injections for a number of years will cure that.

When we watch movies with scenes involving needles it's always me going, "OK, dear, they're done with that scene now, you can look."

hedonist

lukin2006 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I'm almost convinced we're really dealing with a bunch of wussies who are afraid of needles.

Nope ... Not afraid of needles, like I said personal choice.

Exactly (except I DO have a problem with needles...and, I may or may not be "against water" :P )

JimmyV

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I'm almost convinced we're really dealing with a bunch of wussies who are afraid of needles.

Nope.

Prince Of Dorkness

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I'm a wussie who is terrified of needles. 6 feet, 250 bills. scream like a little girl at the sight of em. but I get the flu shot for my daughters. but I don't ever want to live in a society where someone tells me I should/have to.

personal choice.

nobody says you "have to."

But you should because it's not only healthier for you but you'll keep from helping spread an epidemic across the country where many people aren't able/can't afford the shot.

And really... your "personal choice" is to be very sick and lose work for three days, or have a shot that takes a few seconds.

Honestly... it seems like a rather odd trade off to me.

And if you've seen my arms, you know that needles aren't things that scare me at all.

Prince Of Dorkness

Two years ago, because of my work schedule, I had put off getting the flu shot too long and I caught it.

I have never felt so sick in my life. My whole body was riddled with painful muscle spasms, I was unable to sleep or even get comfortable but I was so weak I was barely able to walk the 14 feet from my bed to the toilet.

I was unable to eat, wasn't able to focus on things and couldn't read or work from my bed. The humiliation of being a 42 year-old man having to have his husband drive him to the doctor and practically carry me up to his office was... not something I want to experience again.

It was horrible. Nothing like getting the flu as a kid where you just felt very sick and barfed a bit.

There is no law that says you have to get a flu shot. But I always do now because I never want to feel like that again. I was genuinely scared I was going to die. And if I was maybe 20 years older than I am now... that would have been a very real possibility.

There is nothing in the flu shot that you don't inject regularly anyway (unless, like me, you're vegan and don't eat eggs or gelatin) and you can't get sick from it unless you are a rare case that has severe allergies to the shot. Even then there are good alternatives for people like us.

The belligerent, cut off your nose to spite your face attitude of "I don't want the government telling me I have to do something" reminds me of the people who race their motorcycles at 80 MPH with no helmet wearing t-shirts and cut off shorts because they think that somehow putting themselves in great danger of death makes them more "free."

People confuse me.

aerial

Never had the shot and had the flu once 17 years ago......I don't think EVERY body needs this shot

aerial

unsung wrote:

I only intend on having Formaldehyde in my system once, and I'm not ready for that.

BinFrog

You realize of course that the amount of formaldehyde found in flu shots is less than the total amount of formaldehyde that is naturally found in the human body, right? It's a completely negligible amount.

Presence <> toxicity

BinFrog

brianlux wrote:

The irony for me is that I'm almost paranoid about dying from the flu. I've had it a couple of times where it's been so bad it felt like dying wouldn't be such a bad option. But at the very least I'll still wait until they stop putting chemicals like formaldehyde and anti freeze in it. If they did that, I'd reconsider.

They don't "put" these chemicals in the vaccinations. They are leftovers of the production process. They have to list them in the ingredient list even though they only show up in negligible trace amounts.

BinFrog

brianlux wrote:

Getting allergy injections for a number of years will cure that.

13 years here. I second that.

Prince Of Dorkness

aerial wrote:

unsung wrote:

I only intend on having Formaldehyde in my system once, and I'm not ready for that.

you naturally have more in your system right now than is in the shot. Which, if you ever bothered to read up on it, you'd know. You also have about 100X as much every time you eat a hamburger. And not a fast food hamburger... any hamburger. Unless you grind the meat yourself from a cow you raise yourself. And even then... cows have it naturally in their systems, too.

It's like saying "I refuse to breathe because air has Xenon in it and that's in flash cubes which are poisonous if you eat them." While everything in that statement is true... there is Xenon just naturally in the air you breathe and always has been. you're just showing your lack of understanding.

unsung

Another thing, many times the current anti-flu shot has undergone no clinical testing. So it's a crapshoot all around. Some people choose to chance it, some don't. I'll pass on it.

backseatLover12

Instead of standing up for the "personal choice" mantra, why aren't people focusing on what's the best option for our HEALTH, other people's HEALTH, and just staying out of the hospital? Why must we be so focused on ourselves and our pride all the freaking, god damn time?!

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

Another thing, many times the current anti-flu shot has undergone no clinical testing. So it's a crapshoot all around. Some people choose to chance it, some don't. I'll pass on it.

sorry, what are you talking about?

Hasn't undergone clinical testing?

Crapshoot how?

unsung

backseatLover12 wrote:

Instead of standing up for the "personal choice" mantra, why aren't people focusing on what's the best option for our HEALTH, other people's HEALTH, and just staying out of the hospital? Why must we be so focused on ourselves and our pride all the freaking, god damn time?!

So I should inject myself full of chemicals to make YOU happy?

Prince Of Dorkness

unsung wrote:

backseatLover12 wrote:

Instead of standing up for the "personal choice" mantra, why aren't people focusing on what's the best option for our HEALTH, other people's HEALTH, and just staying out of the hospital? Why must we be so focused on ourselves and our pride all the freaking, god damn time?!

So I should inject myself full of chemicals to make YOU happy?

OH please. "full of chemicals?"

Unless you are a fully organic vegan, you have ALL of those chemicals pretty much every day. In much higher quantities.

Why don't you tell us what the REAL problem is?