Brooklyn Shows, Obama Protest

Kimmiebyrom

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

High Fidelity 2000

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

When the OP starts his own band and gets good enough and big enough to play the Barclays Center, then I'll go see him and then he can say whatever the hell he wants to from the stage. Till then... enjoy the show and be part of the audience. No one bought a ticket to hear your opinions.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

And by the way, just because someone is speaking against Obama does NOT mean that he or she is speaking in support of Romney or the Republicans, so I hope that stupid assumption stops.

Good overall post, and especially agree with that last part.

And, nothing wrong with speaking your mind about anything - as long as it's carried out respectfully (which is the sense I got from the original post).

PJ_Soul

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

When the OP starts his own band and gets good enough and big enough to play the Barclays Center, then I'll go see him and then he can say whatever the hell he wants to from the stage. Till then... enjoy the show and be part of the audience. No one bought a ticket to hear your opinions.

Was the OP suggesting that he was going to yell and scream and march around?? I though he only said something about a message on a sign and seeing if others would do the same. I would personally rather see political statement signs than a fucking sign making a song request! Way more interesting and relevant!

SVRDhand13

I'm just going to enjoy the shows instead. I spent $85 to hear my favorite band- not join a political protest.

PJ_Soul

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

Agree with everything you said. I definitely have a problem with folks who disrupt entertainment events with their protests. But the OP is a 10C member... I seriously doubt he or any other 10C member would disrupt a show so that the enjoyment of it was ruined for others.

Kimmiebyrom

PJ_Soul wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

Agree with everything you said. I definitely have a problem with folks who disrupt entertainment events with their protests. But the OP is a 10C member... I seriously doubt he or any other 10C member would disrupt a show so that the enjoyment of it was ruined for others.

I have no doubt in my mind that O22 would keep things respectable and reasonable. But there will be non-10c (or even worse, current 10c) there that could take it to a level (either with or against him) that was never intended and therein lies the problem with intrusion on others.

josevolution

Why don't you just do it why do you need anyone else to be by your side go at it alone and see if any one will join you at the shows , i'll enjoy the music thanks ...

PJ_Soul

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

Agree with everything you said. I definitely have a problem with folks who disrupt entertainment events with their protests. But the OP is a 10C member... I seriously doubt he or any other 10C member would disrupt a show so that the enjoyment of it was ruined for others.

I have no doubt in my mind that O22 would keep things respectable and reasonable. But there will be non-10c (or even worse, current 10c) there that could take it to a level (either with or against him) that was never intended and therein lies the problem with intrusion on others.

I suppose..... I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.

Kimmiebyrom

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.

Either way, y'all are in for a hell of a show up there that's for sure.

PJ_Soul

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.

Either way, y'all are in for a hell of a show up there that's for sure.

True! I wish I could go!! (I'd hold a sign with you October22, if I could )

october22

PJ_Soul wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.

Either way, y'all are in for a hell of a show up there that's for sure.

True! I wish I could go!! (I'd hold a sign with you October22, if I could )

Thanks, babe

PJCubs

october22 wrote:

First, let me clearly state that this is not a political debate thread. I understand that many will disagree with my politics but in this thread only, I politely ask you to keep your opinions to yourself or post them elsewhere. Thanks in advance.

On the eve of yet another war, I find myself increasingly frustrated with Barack Obama. My purpose here is to see how many of you, if any, would like to take part in communicating with the band during the Brooklyn shows our disapproval with this president; a man I'm sure many of you, including myself, voted for.

I am thinking signs with a short one or two word message we can all hold up at the same time only once or twice during the show so as not to obstruct anyone's view too much, or be too annoying.

The reasons to be disappointed or even angry with Obama are great and as easy as it would be to list them all I won't. My aim here is not to convince anyone of anything. If you disagree with me, that's alright; please enjoy your day. If however, you too think that we need to speak up, I ask you to join me in sending a message and show a band who has so often chosen to engage us in political dialogue that we can give it as much as take it.

Pearl Jam has made known their love for Obama in numerous ways over the years and I believe it's high time they woke the fuck up. Anyone with me?

At face value, I agree with you and really would prefer them to just rock out sometimes. But if thier views are what motivates Pearl Jam, then so be it. But just as we all hate when people take video and block our view, lets not do this.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

I actually fully support this idea. I think it would be a great idea to show the band how you feel about the stance that they are so vocal about. How else are you going to do that, but to address it in a public forum, and who knows, if he sees it, it might start a dialogue about the topic during the show.

if it's done in a respectful manner, for a short period as to minimize any potential disruptions to anyone around you, then this is exactly what Pearl Jam have always said they WANT their fans to do.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I actually fully support this idea. I think it would be a great idea to show the band how you feel about the stance that they are so vocal about. How else are you going to do that, but to address it in a public forum, and who knows, if he sees it, it might start a dialogue about the topic during the show.

if it's done in a respectful manner, for a short period as to minimize any potential disruptions to anyone around you, then this is exactly what Pearl Jam have always said they WANT their fans to do.

Right on. :thumbup:

moretonbayfig

I like the fact that PJ takes a political stance on issues, and encourages their fans to do likewise. Why they would align themselves with a political candidate/party by raising funds for them kind of alludes me a bit though. Responding to political ideas and debate issue to issue is where their political power lies if they want to flex that muscle (IMHO). I encourage you to take a sign October 22 if you feel that strongly about the issue - but address the issue, keep the message short and don't block the punters who have come to enjoy the show (of whom you are one). Do a lot of reflecting on what you want to say, what your position is and why Obama may have taken that stance/action.
The first I learned about the Barclay Centre was through the doco "Battle For Brooklyn" which has admittedly coloured my view of that particular venue somewhat. Seems difficult for any public figure (and their fans) not to become a corporation pawn or supporter by proxy nowadays it seems. I highly recommend the "Battle For Brooklyn" doco if you can get a hold of it. See official trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq78l6SPUs

Hugh Freaking Dillon

my suggestion for sign text:

Ed: tell Obama "No More" war!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

RD81760 wrote:

I'll preface this by saying I never feel the need to reply to this stuff...

Maybe you should hold a sign up in the mirror since you voted him into office. Protest are done with the hope of a positive action in your favor. What would be the point of holding up an anti-obama message in the face of a band who supported him, when you supported him as well. Not only are you a hypocrite, if you're that hell bent on voicing your opinion in hopes of making a change take your protest to washington, not a f*cking rock show.

btw did I mention that I love that you voted for him

how is someone a hypocrite for voting for someone based on their campaign promises and then being disappointed that those promises were not kept? :roll:

backseatLover12

Not only do I think the idea sucks, as it's not the time nor place, but holding signs up at a rock show generally ticks everyone behind the sign holder off; blocking view of the show.

You want a miserable audience and band? You want to cut a show short? Make a huge, division based political circus out of a show. The fuck is wrong with you people?!

Better yet, I've got a great idea. Pull this stunt off the day after the one Seattle show, since these people will already be angry that there was no Seattle 2.

brianlux

october22 wrote:

First, let me clearly state that this is not a political debate thread. I understand that many will disagree with my politics but in this thread only, I politely ask you to keep your opinions to yourself or post them elsewhere. Thanks in advance.

I'm not sure I follow the idea of asking us to keep our opinions to ourselves on an AMT (or any other forum section, for that matter) thread. I really want to say, "OK, October22, I'll keep my opinions to myself..." and then my finger go to the key board. Augh! Edit, edit, edit. We all do it. I think you get my drift.

I'm also not sure why you say this is not a political thread when it is aimed at voicing your opinion (which we are not supposed to do here) by holding up signs at a concert.

october22 wrote:

On the eve of yet another war, I find myself increasingly frustrated with Barack Obama. My purpose here is to see how many of you, if any, would like to take part in communicating with the band during the Brooklyn shows our disapproval with this president; a man I'm sure many of you, including myself, voted for.

I am thinking signs with a short one or two word message we can all hold up at the same time only once or twice during the show so as not to obstruct anyone's view too much, or be too annoying.

To be honest, I would find it annoying. Please, and I mean sincerely please don't do it. In return, I promise not too hold up a sign that says, "B.A. , you're a bit weak on climate change issues." And again, to be honest and sincere, I do think signs get in the way of a show- any signs.

october22 wrote:

The reasons to be disappointed or even angry with Obama are great and as easy as it would be to list them all I won't. My aim here is not to convince anyone of anything. If you disagree with me, that's alright; please enjoy your day. If however, you too think that we need to speak up, I ask you to join me in sending a message and show a band who has so often chosen to engage us in political dialogue that we can give it as much as take it.

Pearl Jam has made known their love for Obama in numerous ways over the years and I believe it's high time they woke the fuck up. Anyone with me?

I don't see the band as a whole throwing support toward Obama. Particular members of the band, yes. But not the band as a unit. I also think saying the band "loves" Obama is a bit of a reach.