I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.
Either way, y'all are in for a hell of a show up there that's for sure.
True! I wish I could go!! (I'd hold a sign with you October22, if I could )
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.
Either way, y'all are in for a hell of a show up there that's for sure.
True! I wish I could go!! (I'd hold a sign with you October22, if I could )
First, let me clearly state that this is not a political debate thread. I understand that many will disagree with my politics but in this thread only, I politely ask you to keep your opinions to yourself or post them elsewhere. Thanks in advance.
On the eve of yet another war, I find myself increasingly frustrated with Barack Obama. My purpose here is to see how many of you, if any, would like to take part in communicating with the band during the Brooklyn shows our disapproval with this president; a man I'm sure many of you, including myself, voted for.
I am thinking signs with a short one or two word message we can all hold up at the same time only once or twice during the show so as not to obstruct anyone's view too much, or be too annoying.
The reasons to be disappointed or even angry with Obama are great and as easy as it would be to list them all I won't. My aim here is not to convince anyone of anything. If you disagree with me, that's alright; please enjoy your day. If however, you too think that we need to speak up, I ask you to join me in sending a message and show a band who has so often chosen to engage us in political dialogue that we can give it as much as take it.
Pearl Jam has made known their love for Obama in numerous ways over the years and I believe it's high time they woke the fuck up. Anyone with me?
At face value, I agree with you and really would prefer them to just rock out sometimes. But if thier views are what motivates Pearl Jam, then so be it. But just as we all hate when people take video and block our view, lets not do this.
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I actually fully support this idea. I think it would be a great idea to show the band how you feel about the stance that they are so vocal about. How else are you going to do that, but to address it in a public forum, and who knows, if he sees it, it might start a dialogue about the topic during the show.
if it's done in a respectful manner, for a short period as to minimize any potential disruptions to anyone around you, then this is exactly what Pearl Jam have always said they WANT their fans to do.
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I actually fully support this idea. I think it would be a great idea to show the band how you feel about the stance that they are so vocal about. How else are you going to do that, but to address it in a public forum, and who knows, if he sees it, it might start a dialogue about the topic during the show.
if it's done in a respectful manner, for a short period as to minimize any potential disruptions to anyone around you, then this is exactly what Pearl Jam have always said they WANT their fans to do.
Right on. :thumbup:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I like the fact that PJ takes a political stance on issues, and encourages their fans to do likewise. Why they would align themselves with a political candidate/party by raising funds for them kind of alludes me a bit though. Responding to political ideas and debate issue to issue is where their political power lies if they want to flex that muscle (IMHO). I encourage you to take a sign October 22 if you feel that strongly about the issue - but address the issue, keep the message short and don't block the punters who have come to enjoy the show (of whom you are one). Do a lot of reflecting on what you want to say, what your position is and why Obama may have taken that stance/action.
The first I learned about the Barclay Centre was through the doco "Battle For Brooklyn" which has admittedly coloured my view of that particular venue somewhat. Seems difficult for any public figure (and their fans) not to become a corporation pawn or supporter by proxy nowadays it seems. I highly recommend the "Battle For Brooklyn" doco if you can get a hold of it. See official trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq78l6SPUs
I'll preface this by saying I never feel the need to reply to this stuff...
Maybe you should hold a sign up in the mirror since you voted him into office. Protest are done with the hope of a positive action in your favor. What would be the point of holding up an anti-obama message in the face of a band who supported him, when you supported him as well. Not only are you a hypocrite, if you're that hell bent on voicing your opinion in hopes of making a change take your protest to washington, not a f*cking rock show.
btw did I mention that I love that you voted for him
how is someone a hypocrite for voting for someone based on their campaign promises and then being disappointed that those promises were not kept? :roll:
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Not only do I think the idea sucks, as it's not the time nor place, but holding signs up at a rock show generally ticks everyone behind the sign holder off; blocking view of the show.
You want a miserable audience and band? You want to cut a show short? Make a huge, division based political circus out of a show. The fuck is wrong with you people?!
Better yet, I've got a great idea. Pull this stunt off the day after the one Seattle show, since these people will already be angry that there was no Seattle 2.
First, let me clearly state that this is not a political debate thread. I understand that many will disagree with my politics but in this thread only, I politely ask you to keep your opinions to yourself or post them elsewhere. Thanks in advance.
I'm not sure I follow the idea of asking us to keep our opinions to ourselves on an AMT (or any other forum section, for that matter) thread. I really want to say, "OK, October22, I'll keep my opinions to myself..." and then my finger go to the key board. Augh! Edit, edit, edit. We all do it. I think you get my drift.
I'm also not sure why you say this is not a political thread when it is aimed at voicing your opinion (which we are not supposed to do here) by holding up signs at a concert.
On the eve of yet another war, I find myself increasingly frustrated with Barack Obama. My purpose here is to see how many of you, if any, would like to take part in communicating with the band during the Brooklyn shows our disapproval with this president; a man I'm sure many of you, including myself, voted for.
I am thinking signs with a short one or two word message we can all hold up at the same time only once or twice during the show so as not to obstruct anyone's view too much, or be too annoying.
To be honest, I would find it annoying. Please, and I mean sincerely please don't do it. In return, I promise not too hold up a sign that says, "B.A. , you're a bit weak on climate change issues." And again, to be honest and sincere, I do think signs get in the way of a show- any signs.
The reasons to be disappointed or even angry with Obama are great and as easy as it would be to list them all I won't. My aim here is not to convince anyone of anything. If you disagree with me, that's alright; please enjoy your day. If however, you too think that we need to speak up, I ask you to join me in sending a message and show a band who has so often chosen to engage us in political dialogue that we can give it as much as take it.
Pearl Jam has made known their love for Obama in numerous ways over the years and I believe it's high time they woke the fuck up. Anyone with me?
I don't see the band as a whole throwing support toward Obama. Particular members of the band, yes. But not the band as a unit. I also think saying the band "loves" Obama is a bit of a reach.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I don't see the band as a whole throwing support toward Obama. Particular members of the band, yes. But not the band as a unit. I also think saying the band "loves" Obama is a bit of a reach.
They wrote and released a freaking song for him. Rock Around Barack. No, Ed was not on that song, but he has voiced his very vocal support of Obama.
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October, I can sense that you're trying to be respectful about it, but it would seem that most people wouldn't appreciate it. Now, if missiles from the US are raining down on Syria, I think PJ wouldn't be happy about it.
I really think if you're this passionate about it, consider writing the band/10c a letter. I think they might see some if the letters and something as important as this to the band might ge answered. Just a thought..
I'm not sure I follow the idea of asking us to keep our opinions to ourselves on an AMT (or any other forum section, for that matter) thread. I really want to say, "OK, October22, I'll keep my opinions to myself..." and then my finger go to the key board. Augh! Edit, edit, edit. We all do it. I think you get my drift.
I'm also not sure why you say this is not a political thread when it is aimed at voicing your opinion (which we are not supposed to do here) by holding up signs at a concert.
He originally posted this on the Porch, and Kat moved it to AMT. Also, he's not looking for a debate on whether he should do it or not. He was asking people if they wanted to join in. If they don't, fine, move on, but if they do, great. Kind of like those petition threads asking the band to play a song at a certain show. Generally people don't chime in if they don't want to hear the song, they either don't go to the thread at all,or they don't say anything.
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so protesting against a president at a concert by a band who most in the band supported is essentially protesting the band that you are paying $160 to see...
kind of like paying to go to a vote for change show and protesting on behalf of bush to spite the band and a majority of its fans.
it makes no sense.
but knock yourself out. go get 'em tiger
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don't see the band as a whole throwing support toward Obama. Particular members of the band, yes. But not the band as a unit. I also think saying the band "loves" Obama is a bit of a reach.
They wrote and released a freaking song for him. Rock Around Barack. No, Ed was not on that song, but he has voiced his very vocal support of Obama.
Nothing found on Google for this "song", so please supply your link here that doesn't come up with an empty page...
I don't see the band as a whole throwing support toward Obama. Particular members of the band, yes. But not the band as a unit. I also think saying the band "loves" Obama is a bit of a reach.
They wrote and released a freaking song for him. Rock Around Barack. No, Ed was not on that song, but he has voiced his very vocal support of Obama.
Nothing found on Google for this "song", so please supply your link here that doesn't come up with an empty page...
you need to learn how to internet. here's one of several links I found for it.
Anyone with a half a brain knows Presidents don't run jack shit
This country has been at war for about 95% of its existence. Government institutions live on while Presidents come and go every few years....
Sigh. Ya know, in my short time actually contributing here and arguing that Obama is nothing but a scapegoat to the system in charge, it seems like very few people actually read and understand that. Thank you.
Anyone with a half a brain knows Presidents don't run jack shit
This country has been at war for about 95% of its existence. Government institutions live on while Presidents come and go every few years....
Sigh. Ya know, in my short time actually contributing here and arguing that Obama is nothing but a scapegoat to the system in charge, it seems like very few people actually read and understand that. Thank you.
everybody fucking knows that. it's no different with any other figurehead. but when you want to address the system, you address the figurehead. duh.
should people start holing up signs "don't vote US government"?
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Anyone with a half a brain knows Presidents don't run jack shit
This country has been at war for about 95% of its existence. Government institutions live on while Presidents come and go every few years....
Sigh. Ya know, in my short time actually contributing here and arguing that Obama is nothing but a scapegoat to the system in charge, it seems like very few people actually read and understand that. Thank you.
everybody fucking knows that. it's no different with any other figurehead. but when you want to address the system, you address the figurehead. duh.
should people start holing up signs "don't vote US government"?
Some interesting comments. I've tried to stay out of the conversation because I didn't want to fan the flames but I have to say I'm a little disappointed in some of you.
Clearly many of you feel extremely passionate about my suggestion. I'd like to clear a few things up without upsetting you further.
I tried to make it clear that I wasn't looking for a fight here. I meant no disrespect when I said I wasn't interested in dissenting points of view. I'm cool with differing opinions and confrontation. I was simply saying that my aim in this thread was specifically to see if anyone else was interested in exploring this idea. If no one was, the thread could die a quick death and I'd have my answer. I assumed a few people would have something negative to say but I'm pretty shocked at the venom behind some of your comments. Relax guys. I'm not gonna "ruin" your show. I was pretty clear about holding up a sign once, maybe twice and was explicit about being sensitive to the people around me. Maybe some of you didn't catch that. There are many other comments that I could counter very easily (all of them in fact) but again, I just don't see the point. I'm not interested in proving anyone wrong or pissing people off (in this thread at least )
I'm starting to realize more and more that Pearl Jam is different things to different people on a much greater scale than I'd previously imagined. In some ways I feel like we're fans of a completely different band. That's alright though. I'm happy we've all discovered them and become fans for different reasons (though music first and foremost of course). One of the things I've always loved about PJ was their encouragement of a two way political discourse between the band and the fans. If that's not your cup of tea, no problem. There are plenty of other threads to post in. No need to call me or my ideas stupid or waste your time shit talking each other. Don't get me wrong, I can happily handle it and I certainly don't take shit on here personally but christ fellas, relax.
And to those who support the idea or don't but at least had the courtesy and intellectual flexibility to understand where I'm coming from, I really appreciate it.
You bring your anti-Obama sign. I'll bring my sign protesting the rising cost of stamps. Someone else can bring a sign protesting how come A-Rod gets to keep playing this season even though he's a known cheater.
Sounds like a really fun night. :roll:
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
With that being said, does anyone expect me to believe that the alternative, Romney, would be LESS likely to get us involved in a conflict? That's laughable.
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At face value, I agree with you and really would prefer them to just rock out sometimes. But if thier views are what motivates Pearl Jam, then so be it. But just as we all hate when people take video and block our view, lets not do this.
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Philadelphia 2 - 10.22 / Portland - 11.29 / Spokane - 11.30
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Amsterdam - 6.16 & 6.17 / Milan - 6.20
if it's done in a respectful manner, for a short period as to minimize any potential disruptions to anyone around you, then this is exactly what Pearl Jam have always said they WANT their fans to do.
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The first I learned about the Barclay Centre was through the doco "Battle For Brooklyn" which has admittedly coloured my view of that particular venue somewhat. Seems difficult for any public figure (and their fans) not to become a corporation pawn or supporter by proxy nowadays it seems. I highly recommend the "Battle For Brooklyn" doco if you can get a hold of it. See official trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwq78l6SPUs
Ed: tell Obama "No More" war!
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how is someone a hypocrite for voting for someone based on their campaign promises and then being disappointed that those promises were not kept? :roll:
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You want a miserable audience and band? You want to cut a show short? Make a huge, division based political circus out of a show. The fuck is wrong with you people?!
Better yet, I've got a great idea. Pull this stunt off the day after the one Seattle show, since these people will already be angry that there was no Seattle 2.
I'm also not sure why you say this is not a political thread when it is aimed at voicing your opinion (which we are not supposed to do here) by holding up signs at a concert.
To be honest, I would find it annoying. Please, and I mean sincerely please don't do it. In return, I promise not too hold up a sign that says, "B.A. , you're a bit weak on climate change issues." And again, to be honest and sincere, I do think signs get in the way of a show- any signs.
I don't see the band as a whole throwing support toward Obama. Particular members of the band, yes. But not the band as a unit. I also think saying the band "loves" Obama is a bit of a reach.
They wrote and released a freaking song for him. Rock Around Barack. No, Ed was not on that song, but he has voiced his very vocal support of Obama.
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I really think if you're this passionate about it, consider writing the band/10c a letter. I think they might see some if the letters and something as important as this to the band might ge answered. Just a thought..
He originally posted this on the Porch, and Kat moved it to AMT. Also, he's not looking for a debate on whether he should do it or not. He was asking people if they wanted to join in. If they don't, fine, move on, but if they do, great. Kind of like those petition threads asking the band to play a song at a certain show. Generally people don't chime in if they don't want to hear the song, they either don't go to the thread at all,or they don't say anything.
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kind of like paying to go to a vote for change show and protesting on behalf of bush to spite the band and a majority of its fans.
it makes no sense.
but knock yourself out. go get 'em tiger
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Nothing found on Google for this "song", so please supply your link here that doesn't come up with an empty page...
Anyone with a half a brain knows Presidents don't run jack shit
This country has been at war for about 95% of its existence. Government institutions live on while Presidents come and go every few years....
you need to learn how to internet. here's one of several links I found for it.
http://www.pearljamonline.it/SongOfTheM ... ageeng.htm
in case you still have trouble, here's the direct link to listen to it:
http://www.pearljamonline.it/SongOfTheM ... 008%29.mp3
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Sigh. Ya know, in my short time actually contributing here and arguing that Obama is nothing but a scapegoat to the system in charge, it seems like very few people actually read and understand that. Thank you.
everybody fucking knows that. it's no different with any other figurehead. but when you want to address the system, you address the figurehead. duh.
should people start holing up signs "don't vote US government"?
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Well no wonder I hadn't heard it. It's awful.
Um, YEA Smartass!
yes, it is awful. but I still heard it. how did you ears manage to close before knowing it sucked?
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Clearly many of you feel extremely passionate about my suggestion. I'd like to clear a few things up without upsetting you further.
I tried to make it clear that I wasn't looking for a fight here. I meant no disrespect when I said I wasn't interested in dissenting points of view. I'm cool with differing opinions and confrontation. I was simply saying that my aim in this thread was specifically to see if anyone else was interested in exploring this idea. If no one was, the thread could die a quick death and I'd have my answer. I assumed a few people would have something negative to say but I'm pretty shocked at the venom behind some of your comments. Relax guys. I'm not gonna "ruin" your show. I was pretty clear about holding up a sign once, maybe twice and was explicit about being sensitive to the people around me. Maybe some of you didn't catch that. There are many other comments that I could counter very easily (all of them in fact) but again, I just don't see the point. I'm not interested in proving anyone wrong or pissing people off (in this thread at least
I'm starting to realize more and more that Pearl Jam is different things to different people on a much greater scale than I'd previously imagined. In some ways I feel like we're fans of a completely different band. That's alright though. I'm happy we've all discovered them and become fans for different reasons (though music first and foremost of course). One of the things I've always loved about PJ was their encouragement of a two way political discourse between the band and the fans. If that's not your cup of tea, no problem. There are plenty of other threads to post in. No need to call me or my ideas stupid or waste your time shit talking each other. Don't get me wrong, I can happily handle it and I certainly don't take shit on here personally but christ fellas, relax.
And to those who support the idea or don't but at least had the courtesy and intellectual flexibility to understand where I'm coming from, I really appreciate it.
Sounds like a really fun night. :roll:
for the least they could possibly do
I'd say that comment is rude, inappropriate and uncalled for.
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People should protest when they feel like their government is doing wrong, whether or not they voted for them.
I don't think that was brought up.
...and it's entirely beside the point.
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The Republicans put Obama in office by not producing a candidate worth voting for.