Brooklyn Shows, Obama Protest

october22

First, let me clearly state that this is not a political debate thread. I understand that many will disagree with my politics but in this thread only, I politely ask you to keep your opinions to yourself or post them elsewhere. Thanks in advance.

On the eve of yet another war, I find myself increasingly frustrated with Barack Obama. My purpose here is to see how many of you, if any, would like to take part in communicating with the band during the Brooklyn shows our disapproval with this president; a man I'm sure many of you, including myself, voted for.

I am thinking signs with a short one or two word message we can all hold up at the same time only once or twice during the show so as not to obstruct anyone's view too much, or be too annoying.

The reasons to be disappointed or even angry with Obama are great and as easy as it would be to list them all I won't. My aim here is not to convince anyone of anything. If you disagree with me, that's alright; please enjoy your day. If however, you too think that we need to speak up, I ask you to join me in sending a message and show a band who has so often chosen to engage us in political dialogue that we can give it as much as take it.

Pearl Jam has made known their love for Obama in numerous ways over the years and I believe it's high time they woke the fuck up. Anyone with me?

High Fidelity 2000

Keep the protest signs outside the venue. To protest in the middle of a song or whatever... I just don't see the point. Wait for the next time Obama comes to NY for United Nations business and go protest. Keep it on target. If we are really starting another war... don't worry, Ed will have something to say about it at each and every show without your little signs egging him on.

backseatLover12

Screw that!

Kat

I'm sorry but it's about a politician and his decisions and your opinion of them and is more appropriate for A Moving Train. Moving it now.

NAUjackfan

october22 wrote:

First, let me clearly state that this is not a political debate thread.
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Pearl Jam has made known their love for Obama in numerous ways over the years and I believe it's high time they woke the fuck up. Anyone with me?

:fp:

RD81760

I'll preface this by saying I never feel the need to reply to this stuff...

Maybe you should hold a sign up in the mirror since you voted him into office. Protest are done with the hope of a positive action in your favor. What would be the point of holding up an anti-obama message in the face of a band who supported him, when you supported him as well. Not only are you a hypocrite, if you're that hell bent on voicing your opinion in hopes of making a change take your protest to washington, not a f*cking rock show.

btw did I mention that I love that you voted for him

Rossum20

Good god this is a stupid idea.


With that being said, does anyone expect me to believe that the alternative, Romney, would be LESS likely to get us involved in a conflict? That's laughable.

High Fidelity 2000

Rossum20 wrote:

Good god this is a stupid idea.


With that being said, does anyone expect me to believe that the alternative, Romney, would be LESS likely to get us involved in a conflict? That's laughable.

Yeah really. "Let's just leave them alone, we've got healthcare to get to poor people!"

Anyway though, I think that's the point the original OP is making. Obama, Mr. Nobel Peace Liberal, should not be starting another war. We'd expect it from Romney.

ajedigecko

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

Rossum20 wrote:

Good god this is a stupid idea.


With that being said, does anyone expect me to believe that the alternative, Romney, would be LESS likely to get us involved in a conflict? That's laughable.

Yeah really. "Let's just leave them alone, we've got healthcare to get to poor people!"

Anyway though, I think that's the point the original OP is making. Obama, Mr. Nobel Peace Liberal, should not be starting another war. We'd expect it from Romney.

last statement is accurate.

october22

Wow, guys. Some interesting responses there. Appreciate the feedback.

klusterfuk

BS

bmulvany

No No No No No No

I hate when bands start getting political

I want to see the band play music and thats it

PJ_Soul

I think the point that the OP is making (and why it started out on the Porch, is that Pearl Jam seems to be really hypocritical in their support of Obama considering how far they took their spoken opposition against Bush and the Republicans. I think he's saying that even though he voted for Obama, he is now realizing that Obama isn't keeping any of the things that PJ has previously VERY loudly opposed in the past from continuing to happen (and in some cases making them worse), but PJ continues to support him. For anyone who actually sees PJ as a political band, which they ARE, whether some of you like it or not, this can actually be pretty frustrating.

I also don't understand why PJ and EV aren't speaking out against some of what the Dems are doing under Obama given their strong history as a politically outspoken band, and it is disappointing. I'm sure it's a relief for some of you who don't want your band to be political, or for you Republicans, or for you who love Obama, but some of us DO want our band to be political, since that's what they've always been and still are, at least up until the day after the last US presidential election. Because of that, some of us have expectations for EV and the band to speak out against what they have declared to be wrong for 23 years rather than suddenly stand in SUPPORT of it just because they decided to be chummy with Obama. They SHOULD be pissed off that the man they stood up for is doing things that they DON'T stand for. Instead they are silent. I completely understand where October22 is coming from. I also believe in free speech and the importance of making our voices heard, and think it's really shitty to tell someone that they shouldn't make a statement that matters to them in front of the band that matters to them. I see nothing wrong with trying to tell a political band like PJ that they are not walking their talk. They get political with us fans, so I see no reason whatsoever why the fans shouldn't be able to get political with them if that's what they decide they want to do. I hope I don't see a bunch more people telling a 10C member to basically sit down and shut up. That's bullshit.

And by the way, just because someone is speaking against Obama does NOT mean that he or she is speaking in support of Romney or the Republicans, so I hope that stupid assumption stops.

RD81760

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think the point that the OP is making (and why it started out on the Porch, is that Pearl Jam seems to be really hypocritical in their support of Obama considering how far they took their spoken opposition against Bush and the Republicans. I think he's saying that even though he voted for Obama, he is now realizing that Obama isn't keeping any of the things that PJ has previously VERY loudly opposed in the past from continuing to happen (and in some cases making them worse), but PJ continues to support him. For anyone who actually sees PJ as a political band, which they ARE, whether some of you like it or not, this can actually be pretty frustrating.

I also don't understand why PJ and EV aren't speaking out against some of what the Dems are doing under Obama given their strong history as a politically outspoken band, and it is disappointing. I'm sure it's a relief for some of you who don't want your band to be political, or for you Republicans, or for you who love Obama, but some of us DO want our band to be political, since that's what they've always been and still are, at least up until the day after the last US presidential election. Because of that, some of us have expectations for EV and the band to speak out against what they have declared to be wrong for 23 years rather than suddenly stand in SUPPORT of it just because they decided to be chummy with Obama. They SHOULD be pissed off that the man they stood up for is doing things that they DON'T stand for. Instead they are silent. I completely understand where October22 is coming from. I also believe in free speech and the importance of making our voices heard, and think it's really shitty to tell someone that they shouldn't make a statement that matters to them in front of the band that matters to them. I see nothing wrong with trying to tell a political band like PJ that they are not walking their talk. They get political with us fans, so I see no reason whatsoever why the fans shouldn't be able to get political with them if that's what they decide they want to do. I hope I don't see a bunch more people telling a 10C member to basically sit down and shut up. That's bullshit.

And by the way, just because someone is speaking against Obama does NOT mean that he or she is speaking in support of Romney or the Republicans, so I hope that stupid assumption stops.

1) The guy who wants to Protest actually voted for Obama, please explain how protesting at a rock concert with signs against a president that HE voted for makes any sense.

2) I'm glad the and has a political viewpoint but 99.9% of the people at the show are there to see a show, gimme a break with your free speech BS, it has nothing to do with free speech, why go to a show if you are going to throw up a stupid sign.

PJ_Soul

RD81760 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think the point that the OP is making (and why it started out on the Porch, is that Pearl Jam seems to be really hypocritical in their support of Obama considering how far they took their spoken opposition against Bush and the Republicans. I think he's saying that even though he voted for Obama, he is now realizing that Obama isn't keeping any of the things that PJ has previously VERY loudly opposed in the past from continuing to happen (and in some cases making them worse), but PJ continues to support him. For anyone who actually sees PJ as a political band, which they ARE, whether some of you like it or not, this can actually be pretty frustrating.

I also don't understand why PJ and EV aren't speaking out against some of what the Dems are doing under Obama given their strong history as a politically outspoken band, and it is disappointing. I'm sure it's a relief for some of you who don't want your band to be political, or for you Republicans, or for you who love Obama, but some of us DO want our band to be political, since that's what they've always been and still are, at least up until the day after the last US presidential election. Because of that, some of us have expectations for EV and the band to speak out against what they have declared to be wrong for 23 years rather than suddenly stand in SUPPORT of it just because they decided to be chummy with Obama. They SHOULD be pissed off that the man they stood up for is doing things that they DON'T stand for. Instead they are silent. I completely understand where October22 is coming from. I also believe in free speech and the importance of making our voices heard, and think it's really shitty to tell someone that they shouldn't make a statement that matters to them in front of the band that matters to them. I see nothing wrong with trying to tell a political band like PJ that they are not walking their talk. They get political with us fans, so I see no reason whatsoever why the fans shouldn't be able to get political with them if that's what they decide they want to do. I hope I don't see a bunch more people telling a 10C member to basically sit down and shut up. That's bullshit.

And by the way, just because someone is speaking against Obama does NOT mean that he or she is speaking in support of Romney or the Republicans, so I hope that stupid assumption stops.

1) The guy who wants to Protest actually voted for Obama, please explain how protesting at a rock concert with signs against a president that HE voted for makes any sense.

2) I'm glad the and has a political viewpoint but 99.9% of the people at the show are there to see a show, gimme a break with your free speech BS, it has nothing to do with free speech, why go to a show if you are going to throw up a stupid sign.

1) I think he's talking about sending a message to PJ, not about protesting against Obama directly.
2) 99.9% is a massive exaggeration, and yes it is about free speech... to answer your question, why the fuck not, if that's something he and others want to do? What, you can't hold a sign and see the show at the same time?? I see people holding signs at every PJ show. You certainly don't have to do it yourself, but I think it's wrong to suggest to others that they shouldn't because... why? Because you're not into it? Well, good for you too. Also, people holding signs does not keep others from seeing the show, so what exactly is the problem? I doubt he'd hold the sign in front of your face, if that's what you're worried about.

PJ_Soul

Kat wrote:

I'm sorry but it's about a politician and his decisions and your opinion of them and is more appropriate for A Moving Train. Moving it now.

I thought it was about the band myself....

RD81760

PJ_Soul wrote:

RD81760 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think the point that the OP is making (and why it started out on the Porch, is that Pearl Jam seems to be really hypocritical in their support of Obama considering how far they took their spoken opposition against Bush and the Republicans. I think he's saying that even though he voted for Obama, he is now realizing that Obama isn't keeping any of the things that PJ has previously VERY loudly opposed in the past from continuing to happen (and in some cases making them worse), but PJ continues to support him. For anyone who actually sees PJ as a political band, which they ARE, whether some of you like it or not, this can actually be pretty frustrating.

I also don't understand why PJ and EV aren't speaking out against some of what the Dems are doing under Obama given their strong history as a politically outspoken band, and it is disappointing. I'm sure it's a relief for some of you who don't want your band to be political, or for you Republicans, or for you who love Obama, but some of us DO want our band to be political, since that's what they've always been and still are, at least up until the day after the last US presidential election. Because of that, some of us have expectations for EV and the band to speak out against what they have declared to be wrong for 23 years rather than suddenly stand in SUPPORT of it just because they decided to be chummy with Obama. They SHOULD be pissed off that the man they stood up for is doing things that they DON'T stand for. Instead they are silent. I completely understand where October22 is coming from. I also believe in free speech and the importance of making our voices heard, and think it's really shitty to tell someone that they shouldn't make a statement that matters to them in front of the band that matters to them. I see nothing wrong with trying to tell a political band like PJ that they are not walking their talk. They get political with us fans, so I see no reason whatsoever why the fans shouldn't be able to get political with them if that's what they decide they want to do. I hope I don't see a bunch more people telling a 10C member to basically sit down and shut up. That's bullshit.

And by the way, just because someone is speaking against Obama does NOT mean that he or she is speaking in support of Romney or the Republicans, so I hope that stupid assumption stops.

1) The guy who wants to Protest actually voted for Obama, please explain how protesting at a rock concert with signs against a president that HE voted for makes any sense.

2) I'm glad the and has a political viewpoint but 99.9% of the people at the show are there to see a show, gimme a break with your free speech BS, it has nothing to do with free speech, why go to a show if you are going to throw up a stupid sign.

1) I think he's talking about sending a message to PJ, not about protesting against Obama directly.
2) 99.9% is a massive exaggeration, and yes it is about free speech... to answer your question, why the fuck not, if that's something he and others want to do? What, you can't hold a sign and see the show at the same time?? I see people holding signs at every PJ show. You certainly don't have to do it yourself, but I think it's wrong to suggest to others that they shouldn't because... why? Because you're not into it? Well, good for you too. Also, people holding signs does not keep others from seeing the show, so what exactly is the problem? I doubt he'd hold the sign in front of your face, if that's what you're worried about.

He wrote in the thread OBAMA PROTEST and the point of the sign is "...shows our disapproval with this president"

And yeah people buy tickets to a concert to hear the music not to hear political BS, so 99.9% is accurate. I doubt people log in to Ticketmaster and buy tickets saying I hope Ed rants about the state of US politics. It's such a waste of energy for you to justify that holding up an Obama sign at a rock show makes sense. Maybe we can have a Uniondale part 2 at BRKLYN

High Fidelity 2000

bmulvany wrote:

No No No No No No

I hate when bands start getting political

I want to see the band play music and thats it

Wrong band.

I just don't think the middle of a show is the time to try to argue with Eddie from the crowd, which is what it sounds like the OP wants to do. We are there for a concert not to listen to you talk about how Obama sucks... now if EDDIE wants to talk about how Obama sucks, then that's a different story. But it's not YOUR concert to decide what gets discussed. I mean, I just don't get it. And you think Ed's going to make it through a whole tour without talking about the war (if we are in a war or it has already happened by that time)? You're joking. YOU don't need to tell HIM to talk about it. He's gonna do it.

You people must not have seen any shows on the Riot Act tour.

And people showed their disapproval with Bush during that time... by wearing anti bush shirts etc... so wear an anti-war or anti-Obama t-shirt. But don't try to coordinate an effort to get a bunch of people holding up signs against Obama. Jesus Christ. Put that effort into getting a super rare song played instead. Breath MSG '98.

PJ_Soul

RD81760 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

RD81760 wrote:

1) The guy who wants to Protest actually voted for Obama, please explain how protesting at a rock concert with signs against a president that HE voted for makes any sense.

2) I'm glad the and has a political viewpoint but 99.9% of the people at the show are there to see a show, gimme a break with your free speech BS, it has nothing to do with free speech, why go to a show if you are going to throw up a stupid sign.

1) I think he's talking about sending a message to PJ, not about protesting against Obama directly.
2) 99.9% is a massive exaggeration, and yes it is about free speech... to answer your question, why the fuck not, if that's something he and others want to do? What, you can't hold a sign and see the show at the same time?? I see people holding signs at every PJ show. You certainly don't have to do it yourself, but I think it's wrong to suggest to others that they shouldn't because... why? Because you're not into it? Well, good for you too. Also, people holding signs does not keep others from seeing the show, so what exactly is the problem? I doubt he'd hold the sign in front of your face, if that's what you're worried about.

He wrote in the thread OBAMA PROTEST and the point of the sign is "...shows our disapproval with this president"

And yeah people buy tickets to a concert to hear the music not to hear political BS, so 99.9% is accurate. I doubt people log in to Ticketmaster and buy tickets saying I hope Ed rants about the state of US politics. It's such a waste of energy for you to justify that holding up an Obama sign at a rock show makes sense. Maybe we can have a Uniondale part 2 at BRKLYN

Yeah, true, but isn't the point to send the message to PJ that they are supporting a president and party that still represents what they claim to be against?
Well I like to hear EV's rants. I like it when bands speak out politically on stage. I couldn't be the only one...

Anyway, October22, I think you should do what you want to do. Who gives a fuck what the people who don't agree with you think??

october22

Thanks PJ_Soul... I appreciate the support and your ability to express my ideas better than I actually can.
Thanks

I expected some people to disagree but I have to admit that I'm shocked at some of the comments I've read. I'm not going to get into it with anyone though.

High Fidelity 2000

PJ_Soul wrote:

Well I like to hear EV's rants. I like it when bands speak out politically on stage. I couldn't be the only one...

I love it. You should have been at the EV concert on election night last year. It was full of that towards the end. Eddie said he would donate $1,000,000 to punch Bill Orielly in the face... then changed it to half a million for the face, half a million for the balls.

Kimmiebyrom

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

High Fidelity 2000

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

When the OP starts his own band and gets good enough and big enough to play the Barclays Center, then I'll go see him and then he can say whatever the hell he wants to from the stage. Till then... enjoy the show and be part of the audience. No one bought a ticket to hear your opinions.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

And by the way, just because someone is speaking against Obama does NOT mean that he or she is speaking in support of Romney or the Republicans, so I hope that stupid assumption stops.

Good overall post, and especially agree with that last part.

And, nothing wrong with speaking your mind about anything - as long as it's carried out respectfully (which is the sense I got from the original post).

PJ_Soul

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

When the OP starts his own band and gets good enough and big enough to play the Barclays Center, then I'll go see him and then he can say whatever the hell he wants to from the stage. Till then... enjoy the show and be part of the audience. No one bought a ticket to hear your opinions.

Was the OP suggesting that he was going to yell and scream and march around?? I though he only said something about a message on a sign and seeing if others would do the same. I would personally rather see political statement signs than a fucking sign making a song request! Way more interesting and relevant!

SVRDhand13

I'm just going to enjoy the shows instead. I spent $85 to hear my favorite band- not join a political protest.

PJ_Soul

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

Agree with everything you said. I definitely have a problem with folks who disrupt entertainment events with their protests. But the OP is a 10C member... I seriously doubt he or any other 10C member would disrupt a show so that the enjoyment of it was ruined for others.

Kimmiebyrom

PJ_Soul wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

Agree with everything you said. I definitely have a problem with folks who disrupt entertainment events with their protests. But the OP is a 10C member... I seriously doubt he or any other 10C member would disrupt a show so that the enjoyment of it was ruined for others.

I have no doubt in my mind that O22 would keep things respectable and reasonable. But there will be non-10c (or even worse, current 10c) there that could take it to a level (either with or against him) that was never intended and therein lies the problem with intrusion on others.

josevolution

Why don't you just do it why do you need anyone else to be by your side go at it alone and see if any one will join you at the shows , i'll enjoy the music thanks ...

PJ_Soul

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Kimmiebyrom wrote:

Great thing about the First Amendnent, it applies to everyone. If one feels strongly enough about the situation to fly a sign in protest at a concert where the lead singer has never had qualms about voicing his own opinion, then by all means one should feel free to do so. There will always be dissenters either against what the protest is about, or simply about the protest itself. However, where does one draw the line between a personal protest and distracting from/intruding on the enjoyment of others at the show? Any ideas on how that is that balanced? I certainly don't have the answers, but it may come down to personal liberty to fly the sign vs. personal liberty to enjoy the show. :corn:

Agree with everything you said. I definitely have a problem with folks who disrupt entertainment events with their protests. But the OP is a 10C member... I seriously doubt he or any other 10C member would disrupt a show so that the enjoyment of it was ruined for others.

I have no doubt in my mind that O22 would keep things respectable and reasonable. But there will be non-10c (or even worse, current 10c) there that could take it to a level (either with or against him) that was never intended and therein lies the problem with intrusion on others.

I suppose..... I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.

Kimmiebyrom

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'm not sure I'd view some kind of spontaneous political debate among the fans and/or the band at a PJ show as a negative. I think that would be kind of awesome. I don't mind conflict, and think that too many people are too scared of it.

Either way, y'all are in for a hell of a show up there that's for sure.