Any Other Happy Heathens?

Gern Blansten

I guess I tend to refer to myself as agnostic but yeah....I don't believe any of that crap.

It doesn't take much research to see where christianity came from. As soon as I discovered that and took a few astronomy/anthropology/philosophy courses in college the transformation was complete for me. I was brought up Methodist but always listened in church to things that didn't seem any where near rational or possible.

chadwick

little science classes & labs do not & can not undergo the proper studies of spiritual belief. rational thought does not exist in someone's spiritual journey; possibility is endless in this realm

it is best to let it be & be concerned about yourself & how you can be a better person & to stop worrying about what whoever may or may not believe. help feed others who can not feed themselves. that is all i have to say

Gern Blansten

Disagree....we are made of star dust not god farts

ratmando

chadwick...the idea that someone who doesn't have a spiritual side as you may doesn't exclude them from wanting and doing things to help other people. If that's all you have to say, you're kind of missing the point... morals have nothing to do with spirituality, and everything to do with humanity. To say that I'm not someone who is out feeding people on the streets, (I actually got arrested for doing so in San Francisco where some mayor thought it would be wise to arrest anyone feeding the homeless), or to say I wouldn't help someone who lost their home build a new one and house them while doing so, or saying that my state of being is any different simply not a state of ACTION because of spirituality? You really aren't clear that I don't need, nor do many of us who feel as I do, to think we need some external force to be kind, loving,and actively out in the world making a difference. In my personal experience, every single day I leave the house, with my service dog, and visit other disabled veterans... because the dog is able to bring calm to scared men and women who are about to go through medical procedures at the local hospital. I do that daily. It's not enough to talk about how to change the world, you have to live it. I think we can both agree there? But, I accept to you, and your free will, and your understanding, this is something that's grounded in your spirit. To me, it's grounded in my human-ness.

Last-12-Exit

As Chadwick has stated in another thread, I don't like to be labeled, atheist or agnostic. I do not believe in god or a god or traveling souls in the afterlife.

hedonist

ratmando wrote:

chadwick...the idea that someone who doesn't have a spiritual side as you may doesn't exclude them from wanting and doing things to help other people. If that's all you have to say, you're kind of missing the point... morals have nothing to do with spirituality, and everything to do with humanity. To say that I'm not someone who is out feeding people on the streets, (I actually got arrested for doing so in San Francisco where some mayor thought it would be wise to arrest anyone feeding the homeless), or to say I wouldn't help someone who lost their home build a new one and house them while doing so, or saying that my state of being is any different simply not a state of ACTION because of spirituality? You really aren't clear that I don't need, nor do many of us who feel as I do, to think we need some external force to be kind, loving,and actively out in the world making a difference. In my personal experience, every single day I leave the house, with my service dog, and visit other disabled veterans... because the dog is able to bring calm to scared men and women who are about to go through medical procedures at the local hospital. I do that daily. It's not enough to talk about how to change the world, you have to live it. I think we can both agree there? But, I accept to you, and your free will, and your understanding, this is something that's grounded in your spirit. To me, it's grounded in my human-ness.

I won't (can't) speak for chadwick, but I will say that his spirit and soul are huge and loving - and intolerant of all forms of bullshit

He's what I'd consider a fine, solid human being.

Are human-ness and spirit all that different? I'm not so sure, when the roots are kindness, caring, giving.

Walking the walk.

Again, digging this thread; these varying (but not so different) viewpoints are good food.

josevolution

This is so strange someone here at work just asked me this and i said i don't believe in any God they precceded to tell me that i'm a satan lover , I said no I'm of this Earth actually i believe i came from the Sea ....

hedonist

josevolution wrote:

This is so strange someone here at work just asked me this and i said i don't believe in any God they precceded to tell me that i'm a satan lover , I said no I'm of this Earth actually i believe i came from the Sea ....

The oceans made me, but who came up with _______?

Speaking of that song, I think it kind of fits within the realm of this thread.

"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

Humility in our tininess...amongst the waves.

We really KNOW nothing - and that's fine - maybe we don't have to.

josevolution

hedonist wrote:

josevolution wrote:

This is so strange someone here at work just asked me this and i said i don't believe in any God they precceded to tell me that i'm a satan lover , I said no I'm of this Earth actually i believe i came from the Sea ....

The oceans made me, but who came up with _______?

Speaking of that song, I think it kind of fits within the realm of this thread.

"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

Humility in our tininess...amongst the waves.

We really KNOW nothing - and that's fine - maybe we don't have to.

I'm fine with not knowing

chadwick

hedonist wrote:

josevolution wrote:

This is so strange someone here at work just asked me this and i said i don't believe in any God they precceded to tell me that i'm a satan lover , I said no I'm of this Earth actually i believe i came from the Sea ....

The oceans made me, but who came up with _______?

Speaking of that song, I think it kind of fits within the realm of this thread.

"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

Humility in our tininess...amongst the waves.

We really KNOW nothing - and that's fine - maybe we don't have to.

DriftingByTheStorm

chadwick wrote:

higher powers that be, that's where i am. in fact, i have a large variety of beliefs so unusual i think a lot of folks would declare me mentally insane.

everything is alive
water
rocks
trees
grass, each blade part of a whole
our air is alive

how can this be?
for starters this planet is a god rolling around the galaxy just having a hoot of a time
also, we each are a god of sorts as is every life that ever existed or will exist

CHADWICK,
are you aware that this is all straight out of occult\esoteric tradition, or did you just come to this on your own? The planet being a "god", specifically. But the other stuff too. Alice Bailey, speaking for the Mystery Tradition, claims there are actually 7 Kingdoms of nature, there being two below the lowest we recognize. Things considered inanimate by modern man are considered to be "alive" in a real sense by the Mystery Schools (this includes minerals and atomic "life", and going even further, *light* itself is supposedly the very fabric\breath\spirit of god -- and if you look in to the implications of Quantum Physics' "Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser" experiment, this actually doesn't sound so goofy any more). Planets and the Sun (the sun specifically and in a big way) are all considered to be advanced forms of intelligent life that have lived enough times and mastered their own selves to such a high degree that they are now the larger visible parts of god's body ... and, in the case of the sun, they are in charge of organizing an entire solar system (and providing it with life sustaining light).

RATMANDO,
i think i made a preemptive answer to you question about how i arrived at a "belief" in "god". Check my other posts in this thread. I too have spent a fair share of my time as either agnostic, atheistic, or simply not caring. But now I'm back to a notion of "god".

I see that you have vacillated between "Christianity" and "new age" traditions in your life, and that you seem to think of them as opposites. Have you eve looked at the bible in light of what the esoteric\occult\mystery schools teach? Have you never seen similarities? Particularly, the writings of John are largely occult. The notion of god within in you when you have "accepted" "christ", and of "christ" actually being "the logos" -- he is talking about accepting and believing in the spark of god within you, your soul nature, which when both recognized and then actualized, impels you closer and closer to god. Much of the new testament reads as a metaphorical externalization of the initiatory process, and other parts fairly clearly reference directly occult traditions (for instance, "the seven spirits before the throne", seem pretty clearly to be "the seven rays" of occult "science").

Just wondering.

chadwick

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

chadwick wrote:

higher powers that be, that's where i am. in fact, i have a large variety of beliefs so unusual i think a lot of folks would declare me mentally insane.

everything is alive
water
rocks
trees
grass, each blade part of a whole
our air is alive

how can this be?
for starters this planet is a god rolling around the galaxy just having a hoot of a time
also, we each are a god of sorts as is every life that ever existed or will exist

CHADWICK,
are you aware that this is all straight out of occult\esoteric tradition, or did you just come to this on your own? The planet being a "god", specifically. But the other stuff too. Alice Bailey, speaking for the Mystery Tradition, claims there are actually 7 Kingdoms of nature, there being two below the lowest we recognize. Things considered inanimate by modern man are considered to be "alive" in a real sense by the Mystery Schools (this includes minerals and atomic "life", and going even further, *light* itself is supposedly the very fabric\breath\spirit of god -- and if you look in to the implications of Quantum Physics' "Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser" experiment, this actually doesn't sound so goofy any more). Planets and the Sun (the sun specifically and in a big way) are all considered to be advanced forms of intelligent life that have lived enough times and mastered their own selves to such a high degree that they are now the larger visible parts of god's body ... and, in the case of the sun, they are in charge of organizing an entire solar system (and providing it with life sustaining light).

i am very much unaware of alice bailey & i am unaware of the seven kingdoms; however, these are my beliefs as they make sense to me & from reading pagan, native american indian & some white witch craft books. yes the sun is a god of sorts & or advanced intelligence as is the moon & all planets.

i believe in nature, soil, water, green, animals & fresh air & so on. we are a minority & laughed out of town. which is good, fine w/ me. town sucks ass anyhow

all in all, the powers that be, big business & government will most likely destroy this planet, i will be surprised if they do not

icelanders believe spirits dwell in boulders. when they build roads they go around the boulders that are in the way, they are not removed. boulders in the cities/towns (structures built around them) have names.

neat...

DriftingByTheStorm

ratmondo:
you asked what led me to arrive at my current belief system?
i told you that i answered this previously but i will go one further:
lots of things.
quantum physics, astrophysics, the few extant writings of Tesla and his thoughts about "the ether", new age writing on "the ether", serendipitous life experiences, "coincidence", etc ...

here is one off the top:
Consciousness without brain activity (page i got this video from) ... there are too many things I have encountered in my life (not necessarily personally, in fact, but at least i have encountered in text, or in video, etc) that point to the same conclusion indicated here ... this video shows a UVA Professor & Neurobehavioral Doctor speaking before the United Nations essentially acknowledging outright that materialism fails to answer certain recorded incidents involving "the brain" and consciousness. Essentially he says, "in certain recorded cases it is acknowledged by the scientific community that one can "think" without ANY brain function." Why?

If you ask me, and we aren't limiting ourselves to scientific terms only, it seems pretty clear that "the brain" is only a TOOL used by a NON-physical organism that inhabits a physical body. Consciousness EXISTS, period. It is not the product of "the brain". The brain is a mere TOOL, USED by "consciousness", which exists independently. Once you arrive at THAT conclusion, surely you can see the next leap one is encouraged to take?
???

Last-12-Exit

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

ratmondo:
you asked what led me to arrive at my current belief system?
i told you that i answered this previously but i will go one further:
lots of things.
quantum physics, astrophysics, the few extant writings of Tesla and his thoughts about "the ether", new age writing on "the ether", serendipitous life experiences, "coincidence", etc ...

here is one off the top:
Consciousness without brain activity (page i got this video from) ... there are too many things I have encountered in my life (not necessarily personally, in fact, but at least i have encountered in text, or in video, etc) that point to the same conclusion indicated here ... this video shows a UVA Professor & Neurobehavioral Doctor speaking before the United Nations essentially acknowledging outright that materialism fails to answer certain recorded incidents involving "the brain" and consciousness. Essentially he says, "in certain recorded cases it is acknowledged by the scientific community that one can "think" without ANY brain function." Why?

If you ask me, and we aren't limiting ourselves to scientific terms only, it seems pretty clear that "the brain" is only a TOOL used by a NON-physical organism that inhabits a physical body. Consciousness EXISTS, period. It is not the product of "the brain". The brain is a mere TOOL, USED by "consciousness", which exists independently. Once you arrive at THAT conclusion, surely you can see the next leap one is encouraged to take?
???

The brain is a tool used by a non physical organism that inhabits a physical body?
I understand that so little that I wish I had never read it.

DriftingByTheStorm

another great video from that page (re: the breakdown\failure of materialism)

DriftingByTheStorm

Last-12-Exit wrote:

The brain is a tool used by a non physical organism that inhabits a physical body?
I understand that so little that I wish I had never read it.

You don't understand it, or you don't agree with it?
I posted some videos (look up above) of actual professors and medical doctors who (if they don't go this far) at LEAST acknowledge that materialism itself fails to account for what we now know of how "consciousness" functions.
If the brain is not the cause of consciousness, but simply a tool used by consciousness, then what IS the cause of it?

The quote you take from me and essentially mock and call garbage (be honest with yourself, you are trashing me and my POV, "i understand so little, i wish i had never read it"? pretty much a "fuck you", but whatever) is an attempt to put this in to perspective. If the brain is simply a tool used by consciousness, then from whence does consciousness spring? Would you ascribe it to another organ? No. I'm telling you, modern medical science is beginning to acknowledge that ***the basis of consciousness is NON PHYSICAL***.
what does that imply to you?

The Mystery Schools (and the bible, if you can look through the language) tell you:
a. it comes from god
b. it is non-physical
c. it is universal (meaning it exists not just in your body but elsewhere in the universe)
d. it is permanent (the passing of a physical life does not mean the end of consciousness, refer up to points a,b and c)

a quote from the man in the second video i posted (who is a very real Medical Doctor engaged in research and founding new treatments for OCD based on non-mechanical non-materialist notions):

"When we see an elite, and it is an elite, an elite that controls essentially all the research money in science saying there is no such thing as moral truth, that science will not be related to religion.

If you believe in God, and you believe that there's an intrinsic order in the universe, and you believe that it's the role of science to try to pursue and understand better that order, you will be ostracized."

i'm comfortable with that notion.

ajedigecko

Read Ravi Zaccarius





Once in a lifetime

Last-12-Exit

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

The brain is a tool used by a non physical organism that inhabits a physical body?
I understand that so little that I wish I had never read it.

You don't understand it, or you don't agree with it?
I posted some videos (look up above) of actual professors and medical doctors who (if they don't go this far) at LEAST acknowledge that materialism itself fails to account for what we now know of how "consciousness" functions.
If the brain is not the cause of consciousness, but simply a tool used by consciousness, then what IS the cause of it?

The quote you take from me and essentially mock and call garbage (be honest with yourself, you are trashing me and my POV, "i understand so little, i wish i had never read it"? pretty much a "fuck you", but whatever) is an attempt to put this in to perspective. If the brain is simply a tool used by consciousness, then from whence does consciousness spring? Would you ascribe it to another organ? No. I'm telling you, modern medical science is beginning to acknowledge that ***the basis of consciousness is NON PHYSICAL***.
what does that imply to you?

The Mystery Schools (and the bible, if you can look through the language) tell you:
a. it comes from god
b. it is non-physical
c. it is universal (meaning it exists not just in your body but elsewhere in the universe)
d. it is permanent (the passing of a physical life does not mean the end of consciousness, refer up to points a,b and c)

I admit that I did not look at the video until after I posted that. I read that one line 6 times and couldn't wrap my brain around it. But, I was not mocking you or trashing your view. I honestly didn't understnd it.

DriftingByTheStorm

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I admit that I did not look at the video until after I posted that. I read that one line 6 times and couldn't wrap my brain around it. But, I was not mocking you or trashing your view. I honestly didn't understnd it.

No worries.
Ours is a crazy world.

ratmando

hedonist wrote:

I won't (can't) speak for chadwick, but I will say that his spirit and soul are huge and loving - and intolerant of all forms of bullshit

He's what I'd consider a fine, solid human being.

aw crap, I don't want to sound like I don't like ya Chadwick... I've been digging your posts for awhile, and admire you for all you do..so not really saying that you're anything other than a cool person who does things in a great way and is a kind heart person.. not saying I don't dig you or where you are coming from..just that I come from a place where I don't say science answers all, as I don't think we'll ever figure out all the science we ever need to figure all, or any of that. Just ... I'll shut up now :oops: