Global warming...
otter
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Why is the ocean exactly where I left it ever year? I have been at the same beach for over 20 years and it has not moved. The sun, surf, and sand is right where I left it last summer.
How are fossils fuels 6000 feet in the ground? Why are there fossil fuels on moons of Jupiter? Why doesn't anyone know where oil, coal, and natural gas originate?
If our Earth got warmer and there was more CO2 in the air wouldn't plants thrive?
Here is the question I would really love an answer to:
If environmentalists worry about our Earth...why don't they seek out and rejoice scientific proof that everything is fine?
How are fossils fuels 6000 feet in the ground? Why are there fossil fuels on moons of Jupiter? Why doesn't anyone know where oil, coal, and natural gas originate?
If our Earth got warmer and there was more CO2 in the air wouldn't plants thrive?
Here is the question I would really love an answer to:
If environmentalists worry about our Earth...why don't they seek out and rejoice scientific proof that everything is fine?
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Yikes...... On so many levels
Good questions, otter, and I commend you for asking them. Will also look forward to hearing about your findings and along with them, please consider submitting references and annotations. Good luck sir or ma'am.
do you feel my pain yet!?? ...
I came here and thought "uh oh".
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Because there is no credible evidence that everything is fine. Really OP?
Where are you going? Some coasts are prone to more erosion than others due to natural conditions. I'm guessing you aren't visiting the Jersey beaches that are still damaged from Hurricane Sandy? Or the Louisiana coast?
From https://sites.google.com/site/coastaler ... /the-facts
There is a great deal of information on coastal erosion and it has been extensively studied because it is affecting a good number of people. It mainly affects those whose homes are near the shore and in the most danger of being destroyed by the advancing shoreline. However, other people are also affected such as those that rely on the economic prosperity that comes with a high number of tourists.
Coastal erosion does not occur naturally at every location but only at places that have conditions favorable for erosion. For example, areas of the coast that are made of mostly silts and clays are easily eroded. These conditions deal with rising sea levels, increased frequency of waves, increased size of waves, etc. When erosion is naturally occurring it is usually episodic meaning that erosion happens in short time periods such as storms. Also the erosion is not constant. During a storm or other event, different parts will erode at different rates.
However coastal erosion can also occur where humans have had an impact on the surrounding area. One of the major proponents of coastal erosion is the development of large buildings along the coast. The buildings block the wind from the ocean and prevent the replenishment of beaches and sand dunes by wind. Examples of this include removing sand, mining for coral, building seawalls and groynes, building causeways, and removing vegetation. Also when canals are dredged for navigation or to transport natural resources such as oil or natural gas, the rate of erosion in that area is greatly increased. Basically the erosion occurs if the wave or tidal sequence is greatly changed or there is a change in the amount of sediment or sand in the area.
Also, from http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/ho ... 07503.aspx
How fast is the coast changing?
The tremendous diversity of our coast means that erosion rates vary significantly from area to area. Some parts of the coast are eroding faster than others.
To put things into context, across England and Wales, about 28 per cent of our coastline is subject to erosion of more than 10 centimetres per year, but rates vary according to location, sometimes reaching an average of as much as 1.8 metres per year. In reality, coastal erosion is not always gradual, and can occur through events such as landslips where many metres of land may be lost once every five or ten years. Rates of erosion are expected to increase by the end of this century because of increasing storms and rising sea levels, brought about by climate change.
Predicting these rates as accurately as possible is, of course, extremely important - not only for the people living in our coastal communities, but also for us in our work managing the coast.
And from http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 946AAdXEDq, another answer:
Why do some coastlines erode at a quicker rate than others?
Erosion occurs at a faster rate on the coast because of weathering. Firstly, the sea is constantly crashing its waves against the land, and within the waves there will be rocks and stones which increase the erosion as these chip away at the soil on the coastline. The waves are causes by high winds and this also contributes to the wearing of soil.
During the summer heat and when the tide is low, the coastline with dry out and make the soil brittle; so when the tide cone in those part that have dried up will crumble as the sea waves come in.
During winter, water within the soil can freeze causing the land to expand, and the this frozen trapped water melt, it leave loose soil which is washes aways by the sea waves, exposing the land, and thus you have more erosion.
All rivers meander and end at the sea, and these rivers can be fast flowing or slow, but the wear down the soils as they transport the water out to sea I.e. erode. Also, the soil in delta will be very soft due to the silt being deposited, and again you can have this washed away at high tidal waves.
The coastline generally permeable soil and will have sand or loose pebbles which migrate with tidal changes and during high winds and storm, and with the movement of the sands, the coastline becomes exposed to the elements ; and when the waves crash again the coastlines it creates concave top heavy coast line, and eventually the waves will eat into the coastline that the top half will crumble, this process continues causing massive erosion.
Probably, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
These questions can be answered by googling them and reading only the credible, scientific websites for answers...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
This makes absolutely no sense. Change starts with you, not everyone else. Waiting for someone to make others change to get you on board? That's just absurd. :roll:
I don't litter, I don't leave light on, I drive fuel efficient cars, have energy efficient appliances and on and on, I do my part. The government can't even get people to use trash trash containers, so why are so many people willing to trust the government to come up with solutions? In the all politicians eyes climate change is another cash grab ... No thanks.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Our knuckle headed provincial government is bringing us bill 91 waste reduction act, ie cash grab act ... We are paying an arm and leg subsidizing those fucking wind mills ... When I hear politicians talk about global warming, I just know this will cost us somehow.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Why are you wrapped up in what gov't is doing? Put that aside and take care of the earth any way you can, leaving politics out of it. There's your solution.
I don't see the government as being the ones to come up with solutions. Solutions are more likely to come from science and common sense. The job of government should be to insure those solutions are put in place, and the focus of that job is needed more for keeping industry in line than it is ordinary citizens-- not that their aren't many individuals who need to be educated on the subject and, if need be, reprimanded or fined for environmental violations. Ultimately it starts with the individual- each one of us doing our part to reduce our impact, and at the other end, government enforcing laws to prevent industry from degrading the environment.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Mix shit together and light matches.
Why ... You need to really ask, because the government is/will use climate change to get more tax $$$.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Climate change/global warming will permanently and harmfully change the world and make lives much more difficult long before any major changes with the workings of governments are enacted. Why let political ideology trump conservation efforts in the eleventh hour?
Yet you want the government to regulate the solutions ... Haven't we got enough regulations? And any regulations the government introduces will just cost people more.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't "want" the government to regulate them so much as I see it as a necessity because many people and especially many corporations don't seem to be very anxious to regulate their own behavior. Doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation. Again, why let political ideology trump conservation efforts in the eleventh hour?
enlighten us. I think we can handle it.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Al Gore scared me too. But I learned that the science he taught was based on inconsistencies and flat out lies. I realized that Al Gore is full of shit and I rejoiced in the truth that we are not doomed.
It's okay to not be afraid.
Not to sound like a crotchety old fart, otter, but I'm wondering how old you are? I'm... ah, well, old enough to have witnessed weather changes up and down the west coast. I know a number of even older codgers who will attest to that.
Al Gore was once one of the best things that happened to the environmental movement (yuck- it should not be thought of as a "movement"- that's what bowels do) with his early work as well as one of the worst- with his unsustainable life style and that gigantic litter-fest rock thing he did. Not to totally disparage the man, but there are many people who much better represent environmentalism. Huge on that list (to name a few)- (and I would encourage you to check these names out for your own verification):
Wendell Berry
Jacques-Yves Cousteau
Dave Foreman
James Hansen
Aldo Leopold
James Lovelock
David Suzuki
Bill McKibben
Terry Tempest Williams
Absolutely! Fear just gets in the way and stymies positive action.
I've looked up in the sky hundreds, even thousands of times in my life and never once saw that ozone hole. :P
So are you denying that erosion happens?
The point is climate changes and it has nothing to do with humans transferring one form of carbon to another.
The Earth itself creates so called "fossil fuels" from deep within the planet due to plate tectonics and geothermal energy. It happens on moons in our solar system. Old oil wells are slowly refilling. Natural gas is so incredibly deep because it too is simply a transfer of carbon just like coal and oil.
Everything is super in this country but some think we somehow are a problem to the planet? Get real.
You're just living in denial, man. I feel bad for people who think that we are not responsible, nor need to do anything to help preserve the beautiful planet we've got, while we're on it. Go ask the polar bears how their habitat is doing. Oh, that's right, the Arctic is fine. :?
If you dont think pollution, excessive greenhouse gases, ozone holes, deforestation, ocean dumping, radiation spills, oil spills, etc, etc, are a problem, there's nothing left to say here... :?
Wow dude.
You don't know how I live. I am a good steward of the planet. But not because I believe in non-sense.
Do you drive a car or ride a bus or catch a car ride with friends? Yeah, you do. What do you do to help preserve the beautiful planet? Besides belittle those who don't go along with your beliefs and sitting around feeling depressed about phony global warming? Nothing right, that's is?
You go talk to polar bears see what that gets you...you won't understand their language then they'll eat you sport.
but I would ask this, regardless if man is the cause, what is the problem with exploring cleaner ways to live our lives? What is the problem with trying to lower gas emissions that are harmful? what is the problem with exploring cheaper forms of energy? Man may not be the only cause but we are definitely adding to the problem.
I am not sure why people don't want to live a cleaner lifestyle. If all of us did a little it would add up to a lot pretty quickly and maybe we could avoid having to make drastic changes when the shit hits the fan
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan