Why do (most, not all) men feel that whatever they do with a stripper isn't considered cheating? Who made the rule that when the naked female holds the title of "stripper," it's fine to do whatever you want? I think thats a bunch of bullshit. I don't have much against the girls that do it, although yes, I am pretty sure it's got to be degrading, but I think it's pretty pathetic that guys with wives/girlfriends/SO's pay for this shit. Why is this aspect considered a ritual when it comes to bachelor parties? You're getting married, so you have to screw around first? But it's ok. She's not a real girl, she's a stripper!
Things have changed in the past decade or so. It's not just "stripping" anymore. Now you can pretty much get whatever you want, as long as there's cash involved. I'm dealing with a situation with private strippers, 4 of them, in a room with no bouncers. Is it out of line to be concerned/unhappy about this kind of thing? Don't get me wrong; I'm no bride-to-be or anything like that, but I feel like I'd be damn pissed off if I was. I'm thinking there's a pretty big difference in going to a club with your buddies, and having 4 of them accompany to your room with no supervision. Why is it ok if she's 'just a stripper?' What makes that ok?
Well I've never been to a strip club or ever met a stripper.....is that unusual these days?
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This is what I'm talking about. I don't find porn and rated R movies offensive. I also don't consider it cheating to go to a strip club and watch naked women. I consider it cheating when the touching comes in, and it seems to many men that it is not considered cheating to them, strictly because she's a "professional."
The comment about her not being a real person was sarcastic, a knock to how many men see these women.
ok,i think i got it...
so girl,question..whast the difference for you,its ok a man pays for a girl show him her tits,but its not ok to pay for touch her tits?the second is cheating..?
try to undertand the thoughts here..
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I personally feel that respect and love are inseparable. If the person I love is uncomfortable with me doing something to the point of it negatively affecting our relationship, it's my obligations to change my behavior out of respect for her. So it's not so much about trust, but if I willingly know that she feels that something I'm doing is harmful to our relationship and I keep doing it she should have every reason in the world to think I don't respect her.
Very well said.
It's up for the couple to decide what's ok/not ok within their relationship. If one partner isn't comfortable with certain behavior, then it's not ok for the relationship. The other partner may not agree and so they are then in the position of deciding whether they want to honor their partner's feelings or not. That is what sets the tone for the whole rest of the relationship and will get played out in a variety of ways around a variety of issues. There's no one formula that is going to work for every relationship, so I don't think we can tear it down and decide that looking is ok, touching is not, etc.
It's absolutely ok for you to not be comfortable with this. You don't have to justify it to anyone. It doesn't feel comfortable to you, so honor that feeling even if your partner doesn't.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
It's absolutely ok for you to not be comfortable with this. You don't have to justify it to anyone. It doesn't feel comfortable to you, so honor that feeling even if your partner doesn't.
Well my wife says "build an appetite outside, but eat at home"
I never really enjoyed strip clubs. When I was younger and single, I never really had a problem getting girls.. strip clubs just seemed like a waste of money to me.. now that I am married, I still see no need for them. My wife takes good care of me. If I had to go to one for a bachelor party, I highly doubt she would care. She trusts me and iwouldnt do anything to disrespect her. She would probably be more concerned with me washing up afterwards because those places are dirty.. I dont think the act of going and looking is cheating at all.. getting a tug in the backroom would be..
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I personally feel that respect and love are inseparable. If the person I love is uncomfortable with me doing something to the point of it negatively affecting our relationship, it's my obligations to change my behavior out of respect for her. So it's not so much about trust, but if I willingly know that she feels that something I'm doing is harmful to our relationship and I keep doing it she should have every reason in the world to think I don't respect her.
Very well said.
It's up for the couple to decide what's ok/not ok within their relationship. If one partner isn't comfortable with certain behavior, then it's not ok for the relationship. The other partner may not agree and so they are then in the position of deciding whether they want to honor their partner's feelings or not. That is what sets the tone for the whole rest of the relationship and will get played out in a variety of ways around a variety of issues. There's no one formula that is going to work for every relationship, so I don't think we can tear it down and decide that looking is ok, touching is not, etc.
It's absolutely ok for you to not be comfortable with this. You don't have to justify it to anyone. It doesn't feel comfortable to you, so honor that feeling even if your partner doesn't.
I agree completely with both of these responses. The whole mindset that "they're not even like humans so it's ok to do whatever you want with them" is what makes me mad about this. Or the attitude that it's just a joke to do whatever you want. I think viewing is one thing; it's the actual physical contact that makes it another.
It's up for the couple to decide what's ok/not ok within their relationship. If one partner isn't comfortable with certain behavior, then it's not ok for the relationship. The other partner may not agree and so they are then in the position of deciding whether they want to honor their partner's feelings or not. That is what sets the tone for the whole rest of the relationship and will get played out in a variety of ways around a variety of issues. There's no one formula that is going to work for every relationship, so I don't think we can tear it down and decide that looking is ok, touching is not, etc.
It's absolutely ok for you to not be comfortable with this. You don't have to justify it to anyone. It doesn't feel comfortable to you, so honor that feeling even if your partner doesn't.
Great response! I couldn't agree more. Everyone has their own feelings about this, so it is up to the couple to decide together. And your feelings are valid. You're not comfortable with it, and that's that. Don't feel bad for expressing your feelings.
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On a side note.. I have heard that you can get a really great steak at the joint near our house.. for a great price, too!
This is why the place has secretly become known as "Steak n' Shake"
get some steak, get some shake.. A few guys I know go to "Steak n' Shake" often for lunch..
I personally could NEVER eat at a strip club.. just seems horrible!
"Sir, what'll you have?"
"The pink tacos"
:fp:
I use to know some guys (trying to be like Tony Soprano probably) use to eat at strip clubs, that is really disgusting and far more offensive (&dirty) than any touching that could happen during a lap dance
if i ever get married i don't want my friends to take me to a strip joint. if it came down to that i would not even really want a bachelor party. i am SO over that stuff. for me, strip clubs were cool the first few times i went when i was 21, but nowadays i don't enjoy them. it is pretty pricey, and to me, paying strippers a lot of money for me to get scraped to death by my own zipper does not appeal to me.
i think this is something that the couple involved needs to discuss beforehand. me personally, i am a pretty faithful guy and when i am in a relationship i always try to keep myself out of situations that can get me into trouble with my significant other. i have seen too many partnerships fail when the guy does something stupid like drop $500 at a strip club behind his wife's back.
i have been to too many parties where a stripper had been procured and like someone said earlier, sometimes things other than just looking happens, and when the guy is married or about to be married it is never a good thing.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I personally feel that respect and love are inseparable. If the person I love is uncomfortable with me doing something to the point of it negatively affecting our relationship, it's my obligations to change my behavior out of respect for her. So it's not so much about trust, but if I willingly know that she feels that something I'm doing is harmful to our relationship and I keep doing it she should have every reason in the world to think I don't respect her.
Very well said.
It's up for the couple to decide what's ok/not ok within their relationship. If one partner isn't comfortable with certain behavior, then it's not ok for the relationship. The other partner may not agree and so they are then in the position of deciding whether they want to honor their partner's feelings or not. That is what sets the tone for the whole rest of the relationship and will get played out in a variety of ways around a variety of issues. There's no one formula that is going to work for every relationship, so I don't think we can tear it down and decide that looking is ok, touching is not, etc.
It's absolutely ok for you to not be comfortable with this. You don't have to justify it to anyone. It doesn't feel comfortable to you, so honor that feeling even if your partner doesn't.
I agree completely with both of these responses. The whole mindset that "they're not even like humans so it's ok to do whatever you want with them" is what makes me mad about this. Or the attitude that it's just a joke to do whatever you want. I think viewing is one thing; it's the actual physical contact that makes it another.
Yeah the idea of anyone being dehumanized is deeply troubling to me. I can understand why you would be mad about that.
And as for eating at a strip club :fp: Don't ask what they put in the secret sauce.
Just don't :nono:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
paying strippers a lot of money for me to get scraped to death by my own zipper does not appeal to me.
And on the sixth day, he created sweat pants..
what guy in their right mind is gonna rock a pair of sweats to the strip bar?? i wouldn't because i would not want everyone staring at my tent. i think it is courtesy to everyone else there to wear something with a zipper. you know, to hold that thing down...nobody wants to see somebody's junk
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
paying strippers a lot of money for me to get scraped to death by my own zipper does not appeal to me.
And on the sixth day, he created sweat pants..
what guy in their right mind is gonna rock a pair of sweats to the strip bar?? i wouldn't because i would not want everyone staring at my tent. i think it is courtesy to everyone else there to wear something with a zipper. you know, to hold that thing down...nobody wants to see somebody's junk
Oh boy sometimes I'm so happy I'm not a man!
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what guy in their right mind is gonna rock a pair of sweats to the strip bar?? i wouldn't because i would not want everyone staring at my tent. i think it is courtesy to everyone else there to wear something with a zipper. you know, to hold that thing down...nobody wants to see somebody's junk
Oh boy sometimes I'm so happy I'm not a man!
like in school - just carry your books in front of it!
the first, last, and only time I ever went to one was my bachelor "party", 1993. It was my best man and my ..... :shock: Dad :shock: It had to be one of the most awkward experiences I've ever had ever.
the first, last, and only time I ever went to one was my bachelor "party", 1993. It was my best man and my ..... :shock: Dad :shock: It had to be one of the most awkward experiences I've ever had ever.
OMG that sounds AWFUL!!!!
I went to the Crazy Horse in Vegas last October. Lemme tell ya...money will buy you ANYTHING there :shock:
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Well I've never been to a strip club or ever met a stripper.....is that unusual these days?
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so girl,question..whast the difference for you,its ok a man pays for a girl show him her tits,but its not ok to pay for touch her tits?the second is cheating..?
try to undertand the thoughts here..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It's up for the couple to decide what's ok/not ok within their relationship. If one partner isn't comfortable with certain behavior, then it's not ok for the relationship. The other partner may not agree and so they are then in the position of deciding whether they want to honor their partner's feelings or not. That is what sets the tone for the whole rest of the relationship and will get played out in a variety of ways around a variety of issues. There's no one formula that is going to work for every relationship, so I don't think we can tear it down and decide that looking is ok, touching is not, etc.
It's absolutely ok for you to not be comfortable with this. You don't have to justify it to anyone. It doesn't feel comfortable to you, so honor that feeling even if your partner doesn't.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
yep, i got what you were saying. the men who see women in that way are infuriating (to me, anyway).
agreed.
I never really enjoyed strip clubs. When I was younger and single, I never really had a problem getting girls.. strip clubs just seemed like a waste of money to me.. now that I am married, I still see no need for them. My wife takes good care of me. If I had to go to one for a bachelor party, I highly doubt she would care. She trusts me and iwouldnt do anything to disrespect her. She would probably be more concerned with me washing up afterwards because those places are dirty.. I dont think the act of going and looking is cheating at all.. getting a tug in the backroom would be..
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
I agree completely with both of these responses. The whole mindset that "they're not even like humans so it's ok to do whatever you want with them" is what makes me mad about this. Or the attitude that it's just a joke to do whatever you want. I think viewing is one thing; it's the actual physical contact that makes it another.
Great response! I couldn't agree more. Everyone has their own feelings about this, so it is up to the couple to decide together. And your feelings are valid. You're not comfortable with it, and that's that. Don't feel bad for expressing your feelings.
This is why the place has secretly become known as "Steak n' Shake"
get some steak, get some shake.. A few guys I know go to "Steak n' Shake" often for lunch..
I personally could NEVER eat at a strip club.. just seems horrible!
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
"Sir, what'll you have?"
"The pink tacos"
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
I use to know some guys (trying to be like Tony Soprano probably) use to eat at strip clubs, that is really disgusting and far more offensive (&dirty) than any touching that could happen during a lap dance
i think this is something that the couple involved needs to discuss beforehand. me personally, i am a pretty faithful guy and when i am in a relationship i always try to keep myself out of situations that can get me into trouble with my significant other. i have seen too many partnerships fail when the guy does something stupid like drop $500 at a strip club behind his wife's back.
i have been to too many parties where a stripper had been procured and like someone said earlier, sometimes things other than just looking happens, and when the guy is married or about to be married it is never a good thing.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And as for eating at a strip club
Just don't :nono:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
And on the sixth day, he created sweat pants..
Abrn Hlls '98 - Clarkston 2 '03 - Grd Rpds '06 - Abrn Hlls '06 - Clvd '10 - PJ20 - Berlin 1+2 '12 - Wrigley '13 - Pitt '13- buff '13- Philly 1+2 '13 - Seattle '13
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Oh boy sometimes I'm so happy I'm not a man!
like in school - just carry your books in front of it!
i would be saying "don't act like you're not impressed..."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
well...
it happens...
:fp: :fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you know...
so you could look at your boobs...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
yeah, the last time i was at a strip club (20+ years ago), well let's just say i was thankful for the big pillows on the couches :oops:
OMG that sounds AWFUL!!!!
I went to the Crazy Horse in Vegas last October. Lemme tell ya...money will buy you ANYTHING there :shock:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I saw crazy horse earlier this year and let me tell you.. there was no stripping.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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