Strippers
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I feel like talking about strippers.
Why do (most, not all) men feel that whatever they do with a stripper isn't considered cheating? Who made the rule that when the naked female holds the title of "stripper," it's fine to do whatever you want? I think thats a bunch of bullshit. I don't have much against the girls that do it, although yes, I am pretty sure it's got to be degrading, but I think it's pretty pathetic that guys with wives/girlfriends/SO's pay for this shit. Why is this aspect considered a ritual when it comes to bachelor parties? You're getting married, so you have to screw around first? But it's ok. She's not a real girl, she's a stripper!
Things have changed in the past decade or so. It's not just "stripping" anymore. Now you can pretty much get whatever you want, as long as there's cash involved. I'm dealing with a situation with private strippers, 4 of them, in a room with no bouncers. Is it out of line to be concerned/unhappy about this kind of thing? Don't get me wrong; I'm no bride-to-be or anything like that, but I feel like I'd be damn pissed off if I was. I'm thinking there's a pretty big difference in going to a club with your buddies, and having 4 of them accompany to your room with no supervision. Why is it ok if she's 'just a stripper?' What makes that ok?
Why do (most, not all) men feel that whatever they do with a stripper isn't considered cheating? Who made the rule that when the naked female holds the title of "stripper," it's fine to do whatever you want? I think thats a bunch of bullshit. I don't have much against the girls that do it, although yes, I am pretty sure it's got to be degrading, but I think it's pretty pathetic that guys with wives/girlfriends/SO's pay for this shit. Why is this aspect considered a ritual when it comes to bachelor parties? You're getting married, so you have to screw around first? But it's ok. She's not a real girl, she's a stripper!
Things have changed in the past decade or so. It's not just "stripping" anymore. Now you can pretty much get whatever you want, as long as there's cash involved. I'm dealing with a situation with private strippers, 4 of them, in a room with no bouncers. Is it out of line to be concerned/unhappy about this kind of thing? Don't get me wrong; I'm no bride-to-be or anything like that, but I feel like I'd be damn pissed off if I was. I'm thinking there's a pretty big difference in going to a club with your buddies, and having 4 of them accompany to your room with no supervision. Why is it ok if she's 'just a stripper?' What makes that ok?
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i am not trying to be facetious but i think this boils down to the notion of social constructs and how they affect the way we live ...
i think social constructs such as the man paying the bill and women staying at home have all been blown out ... sexuality is something that also needs to be re-examined ...
what is so wrong with a man looking at a woman naked or vice versa? ... it happens in other social contexts ... movies, magazines, etc... obviously, i will preface this to say that everyone involved should be consenting ... i also believe that openness and honesty should be the foundation of a relationship ... so, a groom should be able to say to his bride to be that he is going to a strip joint and be clear with each other as to what will or will not happen ... that way - the people involved can determine if that is acceptable in the relationships they want ...
so, to me it's not the act of stripping that is a threat to a relationship but rather the trust and honesty ...
just sayin.
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Yep.
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I think the OP is talking more about having strippers in a private hotel room as opposed to a club. Clearly strippers in a hotel room there is a far greater chance of illicit activities. it does seem this have become a more common occurrence in the last decade or so. most of my bachelor party and strip club experience was before that though so can't say I have any experience with strippers in a hotel room. personally I think it's just a bad idea and can totally see how women wouldn't be ok with it. in fact in my experiences most of the grooms-to-be were more embarrassed to be at the strip clubs for the bachelor party and were mostly lead there by their friends .i've never been or really hung out with 'strip bar' kind of guys so maybe my thoughts are a bit skewed.
even the flirt with the girl u buy your coffee in the morning,seems cheating then,...
seems the lines are thin..
trust and be honest is the best way...but even that alot of times,,,things fucked up
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its their job and take money for that..they are proffecionals get paid for create this erotic situation
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As pjhawks mentioned, seems this is more about the private-room strippers vs those in a club. I'm sorry, but watching porn is NOT tantamount to being genitally-grinded, even if through clothes. That's a lot more intimate than sitting back and looking, whether what you're looking at is on film, computer, paper, etc. - even in person.
i was in a math class & a environmental science class with a stripper from tacoma. her rule for other women: "i do not speak with them if they are unattractive." i thought to myself, you are a sad & sorry fuckin broad as she held the attention of nearly all the men in class with her giant chest & terrible blonde & drunk hairdo
this chick & others like her crave attention something fierce. somehow some dudes enjoy giving their money away to nude women. it is quite bizarre. the entire strip club scene makes me want to hurl
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this seems to be pretty spot on to me. when i was young and in an unhappy (and unhealthy) relationship i was far more inclined to go to strip clubs without caring about the impact on my significant other. however, now that i'm in a happy relationship with a much better and open line of communication i haven't been to one in almost five years of being together. i've thought about it, but ultimately it is a respect issue for her and that's why i don't. if your girl doesn't like it because of a trust issue, maybe things aren't that solid to begin with and maybe that should be what is talked about. i know happily married couples that attend strip clubs regularly and i assume that's because they've talked about it and are both on board. communicating and being on the same page is ultimately what is most important whether you're talking about strippers or anything else
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it doesn't really make a difference ... it still boils down to trust ... if a relationship is going to last ... there has to be a trust and understanding ... if partners want to remain monogamous and the intent of what that means is understood ... it makes it pretty easy ...
some are very far from professionals, dimitris
a meth & coke snorting alcoholic is far from a professional yet there are thousands of them right this second rubbing themselves on some guy for cash
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how infuriating! :-x
women are human beings, not objects.
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it should not be a trust issue but an issue of not wanting the man you love to be a misogynist.
During the more wild parties from the 20s (many 10+ years ago) we did have some private dancers. I think it boils down to the guy. If he is likely to step out of line he is going to do it regardless -- if there is not a private dancer he will find some other way -- or worse, will do it after he gets married. (I suspect the guy who cheats right before he gets married will cheat after as well but that is a guess.)
My bachelor party was 6 years ago and I told the guys no strippers. I love the body of a woman and I certainly enjoy seeing naked women but the idea of celebrating my pending marriage by having my buddies pile $20 bills on top of me didn't seem like the right thing to do. My wife wasn't concerned at all about the likelihood of strippers being there (or not) and that was cool. I didn't care if she had them either as I trust her and if it is fun for her she could help herself. If I didn't trust her it would be a different story!
(Ironically, my brother's finance cheated on him while he was away attending my bachelor party. A blessing in disguise, he didn't make that mistake of marrying a cheater!)
Going to a bachelor party in Cabo next week. We are going fishing and drinking/partying. No stripper plans.
Another in Vegas in September and I dont know what that will be but I know the groom well enough to know he will not being getting any favors from the ladies if so.
i didnt get this you saying from her post
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
If you sit and watch the girl pick-up her dollar bills at the end of her set, it is rather degrading for them. They usually are covering with one hand and shoving dollar bills into their small purse while trying to get out of the way for the next 'act.'
This is what I'm talking about. I don't find porn and rated R movies offensive. I also don't consider it cheating to go to a strip club and watch naked women. I consider it cheating when the touching comes in, and it seems to many men that it is not considered cheating to them, strictly because she's a "professional."
The comment about her not being a real person was sarcastic, a knock to how many men see these women.