Bring back f5! I tried for 3 shows, Seattle and LA 1&2... I got Seattle and LA 1... It's a lottery, keep it random, let everyone that wants to try try... some people tried for 20 shows, some people tried for one... i'm rambling, but I got 66% of the tix I tried for, I'd have prefered to get 2 LA 10C sets or 2 Seattle 10C sets and decide if I wanted to travel to the other city.
Actually you got 100% of tickets you entered for. Once you won Seattle, then LA 1, you were removed for LA2. So you got both choices that you could ( seeing as your only allowed one night per two night stand )
I hate F5, that gives people a chance to cheat and abuse the system.
With the lottery everyone has an equal chance at each show. It's no ones fault but your own if you only put in for one show.
I have had really good luck with the lottery, and think most people have.
too many rules... bring back f5 and keep it simple.
Yeah, F5 is awesome and simple for those who know how to cheat and get every ticket they want.
The lottery is fair and puts everyone on equal footing. Sucks for those who don't like fairness.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
For whatever reason I can not go to a show on 10-15...
So I do not try for tickets..
THEN Pearl Jam announces a show for 10-16...A show that I CAN attend...
But because I didn't attempt to get 10club tickets for a show I couldn't attend...
I now cant get tickets for as show that I am able to attend?
And you need to ask my opinion of this?
Really?
Its wrong.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
For whatever reason I can not go to a show on 10-15...
So I do not try for tickets..
THEN Pearl Jam announces a show for 10-16...A show that I CAN attend...
But because I didn't attempt to get 10club tickets for a show I couldn't attend...
I now cant get tickets for as show that I am able to attend?
And you need to ask my opinion of this?
Really?
Its wrong.
Thank you, my feelings exactly!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I'm on the fence & can see it from both sides. It is what it is. I try not getting caught up in fairness because there's too many unfair things in life. At the end of the day it doesn't change anything. The new system adressed issues but not all. I try to focus on the one thing I know: PJ is still making music, traveling, & dealing with all the bullshit it takes to put out music for their fans. Fans do their part putting up with all the bullshit it takes to participate in the music. We need each other...
my take is, it is what it is. quit bitchin. you wanna go to a show get tickets. i personally think the best process they had for getting 10club tix was back when they mailed you an application and you filled it out with the shows you wanted to attend. that year, was it 2003?, i filled it out for 4 shows, everyone that was in my area. state college was the best. the last show on the first leg of the tour. i told my wife we have to go to this show, its going to be epic and it was.
Columbia MD 9/24/96 Camden 8/29/98 Camden 9/1/00 Columbia MD 9/4/00 State College 5/3/03 Bristow, VA 7/1/03 Camden 7/5/03 Hershey 7/12/03 Reading PA 10/1/04 Philly 10/1/05 Camden 5/27/06 D.C. 5/30/06 Camden 6/19/08 Spectrum 10/30/09 Philly 10//21/13 Baltimore 10/27/13 NY MSG 5/1/16 Boston Fenway 9/2/18 Camden 9/14/22 Baltimore 9/12/24
Yes, it is what it is. I have accepted it, and have zero issues finding tix another way. But I still have an opinion about it. Having an opinion does not = bitching.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
For whatever reason I can not go to a show on 10-15...
So I do not try for tickets..
THEN Pearl Jam announces a show for 10-16...A show that I CAN attend...
But because I didn't attempt to get 10club tickets for a show I couldn't attend...
I now cant get tickets for as show that I am able to attend?
And you need to ask my opinion of this?
Really?
Its wrong.
Let me add this to ^^
I disagree that it's wrong, partially. Hear me out.
If the lottery was this way - people who entered for the first show had first shot at the lottery, then every other member, it would be fine.
I totally agree people who wanted a Boston show and put in for one, should have first priority over someone who did not.
But if there are any remaining tickets, they should go to the fan club first before being offered to ticketmaster.
So I'm torn. I feel people who were shut out should have first dibs. But I don't think the amount of 10c tickets that were distributed for the first show, will be taken by people only by those who were shut out the first time. Those numbers can't equal up.
We shall see what happens after Monday. If the remaining tix go to ten club members, it's the correct way. (No not all tickets only the remaining 10c tix) if they don't, that's not correct.
I was shut out of Seattle 1 tickets (girlfriend was not) so I would be greatfull to enter for Seattle 2, since she will likely not be eligible for the next lottery if there is one. But that doesn't skew my opinion, it would be the same either way.
Yeah, F5 is awesome and simple for those who know how to cheat and get every ticket they want.
The lottery is fair and puts everyone on equal footing. Sucks for those who don't like fairness.
Cheat? What the HELL are you talking about? Please, elaborate on how one cheats by sitting in front of a computer for hours hitting f5 until they get something, by chance... I haven't want to call someone that word that rhymes with boob this bad in a long time.
Yeah, F5 is awesome and simple for those who know how to cheat and get every ticket they want.
The lottery is fair and puts everyone on equal footing. Sucks for those who don't like fairness.
Cheat? What the HELL are you talking about? Please, elaborate on how one cheats by sitting in front of a computer for hours hitting f5 until they get something, by chance... I haven't want to call someone that word that rhymes with boob this bad in a long time.
there was so many ways to cheat with theprevious sustem that im so fuckin lazy and tired to post them
the good part is 10c get it and stop it for good
now all the same,,no power..
epic..epic i say!!
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Yeah, F5 is awesome and simple for those who know how to cheat and get every ticket they want.
The lottery is fair and puts everyone on equal footing. Sucks for those who don't like fairness.
Cheat? What the HELL are you talking about? Please, elaborate on how one cheats by sitting in front of a computer for hours hitting f5 until they get something, by chance... I haven't want to call someone that word that rhymes with boob this bad in a long time.
I didn't mean to say that YOU cheat, honestly, so am sorry if it came off that way, but yeah, there are ways to cheat with F5 and apparently plenty of people know how to do it. I am just going off info I have acquired, and that is all I'm saying about it (I'm not one of the people who knows how). i understand how dubious that kind ofncomment is, but i am sticking by it, and understand if people don't believe it. This whole "newb" thing is confusing me. haven't seen so many people accusing others of being one before this past week or so. Anyway, it's all just supply and demand, and the lottery puts tix in the hands of more people I think. I know some seem to disagree.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
By newb, I was thinking you didn't spend 5+ hours trying to get a ticket to the Vic, only to get shut out... wish I knew how to cheat, that day was hell.
Yeah, F5 is awesome and simple for those who know how to cheat and get every ticket they want.
The lottery is fair and puts everyone on equal footing. Sucks for those who don't like fairness.
Cheat? What the HELL are you talking about? Please, elaborate on how one cheats by sitting in front of a computer for hours hitting f5 until they get something, by chance... I haven't want to call someone that word that rhymes with boob this bad in a long time.
I didn't mean to say that YOU cheat, honestly, so am sorry if it came off that way, but yeah, there are ways to cheat with F5 and apparently plenty of people know how to do it. I am just going off info I have acquired, and that is all I'm saying about it (I'm not one of the people who knows how). i understand how dubious that kind ofncomment is, but i am sticking by it, and understand if people don't believe it. This whole "newb" thing is confusing me. haven't seen so many people accusing others of being one before this past week or so. Anyway, it's all just supply and demand, and the lottery puts tix in the hands of more people I think. I know some seem to disagree.
Cheat? What the HELL are you talking about? Please, elaborate on how one cheats by sitting in front of a computer for hours hitting f5 until they get something, by chance... I haven't want to call someone that word that rhymes with boob this bad in a long time.
I didn't mean to say that YOU cheat, honestly, so am sorry if it came off that way, but yeah, there are ways to cheat with F5 and apparently plenty of people know how to do it. I am just going off info I have acquired, and that is all I'm saying about it (I'm not one of the people who knows how). i understand how dubious that kind ofncomment is, but i am sticking by it, and understand if people don't believe it. This whole "newb" thing is confusing me. haven't seen so many people accusing others of being one before this past week or so. Anyway, it's all just supply and demand, and the lottery puts tix in the hands of more people I think. I know some seem to disagree.
P.S. Nobody knows how to cheat f5. NOBODY!
That's not what I've heard... in any case, doesn't matter now I guess. lottery it is.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I didnt intend this to come across as "bitching" as someone ignorantly ranted. I was just pointing out (and others pointed out) circumstances where this policy could be a bit too restrictive. I feel it is a valid discussion of the current system.
I also didnt intend on it turning into an f5 argument
This particular wrinkle in the lottery system seems good in practice, but still can be improved.
trust me, if someone did, I would know, and I wouldn't lie and say there wasn't... mondo, hell yeah there are bots... obey, yep, there are ways... I prefer to type fast and be persistent, a mondo bot would be cool, but I only buy about 1 in 50 of their posters!
I understand why they do it. of course the people who for whatevet reason did not enter for show 1 won't like it, but I think it's fair to give a better chance to those who wanted to go but missed out the first time.
I think they should give all the tickets to people selling them on stubhub. If I were a ticket scalper, i'd have signed up for as many new accounts as I could due to this rule... taking tix away from long time members, awesome. :fp:
I think they should give all the tickets to people selling them on stubhub. If I were a ticket scalper, i'd have signed up for as many new accounts as I could due to this rule... taking tix away from long time members, awesome. :fp:
Of course that is impossible though, since you can't get tickets to the SECOND show if your weren't a member at the time of the on sale of the FIRST show.
I would like everyone to have a shot at the 2nd chance lottery.
because then I would get a chance to get Portland and Seattle (1 &2?)
I got the shows I put in for- SD, LA1, LA2 ( i got 1 my sister got 2)
Now my situation has changed and I could travel to Portland and Seattle ( I'm not going to have that baby I was supposed to have in February don't feel bad- fetus got to go to Wrigley in utero.)
so I would please like to go now.
Life isn't fair- but the lottery is?
Lolla Alpine Valley 8/29/92 ,Key Arena 11/5/00 , Key Arena 11/6/00, NOLAJazzfest 5/1/10, Wrigley 7/19(20)/13, SD 11/21/13, LA 11/23/13, LA 11/24/13, Bridge School 2014, Wrigley 8/20/16, Wrigley 8/22/16, Seattle 2018 both nights! Chicago 9/5/23 and 9/7/23
EV Long Beach 7/6/11 , LA Wiltern (miracled in) 7/8/11, EV Benaroya Hall 10/24/23
I understand why they do it. of course the people who for whatevet reason did not enter for show 1 won't like it, but I think it's fair to give a better chance to those who wanted to go but missed out the first time.
Voice of reason. Also limit lottery to one show per tour, not each leg.
trust me,i know alot of the ways and alot members was cheating
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Imagine 5000 people went for 2000 tickets at your local show.
So let me do the math really fast... carry the 1... that means 3000 people would be shut out including you.
Now they add a second show. Is it more fair for the 3000 "losers" to go after the new 2000 tickets
OR
They open it up to everyone so now every scalper, every person that wants to go to as many shows as they can, every person that wants to get your show's tickets so they can trade for a different show, etc...
Now instead of going against 3000 people for those 2000 tickets, you are now going against 10,000 people.
F That!!!
I do agree that the 2nd chance lottery should be open to the "losers" of the first round and then IF there are any tickets left, those could be opened to all the 10c before going to the general public.
92 - Orlando
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
I'm not going to have that baby I was supposed to have in February don't feel bad- fetus got to go to Wrigley in utero.
so I would please like to go now.
Life isn't fair- but the lottery is?
Oh my god, I'm so sorry :(
Please, Pearl Jam, consider a Benaroya Hall vinyl reissue!
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The lottery is fair and puts everyone on equal footing. Sucks for those who don't like fairness.
For whatever reason I can not go to a show on 10-15...
So I do not try for tickets..
THEN Pearl Jam announces a show for 10-16...A show that I CAN attend...
But because I didn't attempt to get 10club tickets for a show I couldn't attend...
I now cant get tickets for as show that I am able to attend?
And you need to ask my opinion of this?
Really?
Its wrong.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Thank you, my feelings exactly!
1998 - West Palm Beach 1
2000 - West Palm Beach 1&2
2003 - WPB,Tampa,Atlanta,Camden 1&2,MSG 1&2, Boston 3,Hershey Park
2004 - Asheville, Kissimmee
2008 - West Palm Beach,Tampa,Columbia,Virginia Beach, Mansfield 1&2
2010 - Hartford,Boston,Newark, MSG 1&2
2011 - PJ20 1&2, Costa Rica
2013 - Wrigley,Brooklyn 1&2,Seattle
2014 - Denver,Mountain View 1&2
2015 - Bogata, Mexico City
2016 - Ft Lauderdale,Miami,Tampa,NYC 1&2,Telluride,Fenway 1&2,Wrigley 1&2
Let me add this to ^^
I disagree that it's wrong, partially. Hear me out.
If the lottery was this way - people who entered for the first show had first shot at the lottery, then every other member, it would be fine.
I totally agree people who wanted a Boston show and put in for one, should have first priority over someone who did not.
But if there are any remaining tickets, they should go to the fan club first before being offered to ticketmaster.
So I'm torn. I feel people who were shut out should have first dibs. But I don't think the amount of 10c tickets that were distributed for the first show, will be taken by people only by those who were shut out the first time. Those numbers can't equal up.
We shall see what happens after Monday. If the remaining tix go to ten club members, it's the correct way. (No not all tickets only the remaining 10c tix) if they don't, that's not correct.
I was shut out of Seattle 1 tickets (girlfriend was not) so I would be greatfull to enter for Seattle 2, since she will likely not be eligible for the next lottery if there is one. But that doesn't skew my opinion, it would be the same either way.
Cheat? What the HELL are you talking about? Please, elaborate on how one cheats by sitting in front of a computer for hours hitting f5 until they get something, by chance... I haven't want to call someone that word that rhymes with boob this bad in a long time.
the good part is 10c get it and stop it for good
now all the same,,no power..
epic..epic i say!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I didn't mean to say that YOU cheat, honestly, so am sorry if it came off that way, but yeah, there are ways to cheat with F5 and apparently plenty of people know how to do it. I am just going off info I have acquired, and that is all I'm saying about it (I'm not one of the people who knows how). i understand how dubious that kind ofncomment is, but i am sticking by it, and understand if people don't believe it. This whole "newb" thing is confusing me. haven't seen so many people accusing others of being one before this past week or so. Anyway, it's all just supply and demand, and the lottery puts tix in the hands of more people I think. I know some seem to disagree.
That's not what I've heard... in any case, doesn't matter now I guess. lottery it is.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I also didnt intend on it turning into an f5 argument
This particular wrinkle in the lottery system seems good in practice, but still can be improved.
Of course that is impossible though, since you can't get tickets to the SECOND show if your weren't a member at the time of the on sale of the FIRST show.
because then I would get a chance to get Portland and Seattle (1 &2?)
I got the shows I put in for- SD, LA1, LA2 ( i got 1 my sister got 2)
Now my situation has changed and I could travel to Portland and Seattle ( I'm not going to have that baby I was supposed to have in February
so I would please like to go now.
Life isn't fair- but the lottery is?
EV Long Beach 7/6/11 , LA Wiltern (miracled in) 7/8/11, EV Benaroya Hall 10/24/23
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
That's means you cant get 10club tickets for the Tuesday show.
Fucking ridiculous!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I agree. EVERYONE should have a 2nd chance.
That is all
and the winners of the first chance can have authentic replicas to complete the oxymoron circle.
Imagine 5000 people went for 2000 tickets at your local show.
So let me do the math really fast... carry the 1... that means 3000 people would be shut out including you.
Now they add a second show. Is it more fair for the 3000 "losers" to go after the new 2000 tickets
OR
They open it up to everyone so now every scalper, every person that wants to go to as many shows as they can, every person that wants to get your show's tickets so they can trade for a different show, etc...
Now instead of going against 3000 people for those 2000 tickets, you are now going against 10,000 people.
F That!!!
I do agree that the 2nd chance lottery should be open to the "losers" of the first round and then IF there are any tickets left, those could be opened to all the 10c before going to the general public.
03 - Tampa
08 - Tampa
12 - DeLuna Fest, EV Orlando 1 & 2, EV Ft Lauderdale 1 & 2
13 - Wrigley!!! ,Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford, OKC, Seattle
14 - Leeds, Milton Keynes, St Louis
16 - Ft Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville, Wrigley 1 & 2
Oh my god, I'm so sorry :(