2nd Shows Only for People Who Previously Tried

MayDay10

So 10c seems to like to provide the 2nd show as an opportunity to provide a 2nd chance only to those members who got shut out of the previously announced show.

Do you approve/like of this?

Personally, I can see and respect the philosophy, but Im not sure I really agree with it.

For example, I only wanted to pay for/take off of work for one show and did not want to commit to both London and Wrigley. Ended up choosing London and got shut out.
2nd chance Wrigley came up and I would have appreciated the chance to go for tickets... but couldnt

This time, by the public onsale time, suspecting by rumor that there was a 2nd Seattle show, I jumped on a Seattle I ticket behind/side stage. I was planning on making the trip if I landed 10c for show 2. But it seems like I will be shut out of the chance. If I have known there were 2 weekend seattle shows off the bat I would have thrown in.

Also, hypothetically, if I were shut out of a number of shows and one was announced, but I couldnt apply because I didnt go for the 1st show...

Although I would appreciate it if I were on the other end and was shut out of a hometown show and the 2nd show was "coned off".

whats everyone's take on this.

Indifference

Bring back F5

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan

I agree that it is great in principle but sucks if you didn't request the first night. I didn't request Seattle because I wasn't willing to fly for just one show given the cost of airfare. I still applaud 10c for giving those who got declined a chance for the second show.

Stephen Flow

I understand why they're doing it but at the same time it does kind of stink.

I didn't attempt to get Worcester I via 10c b/c I didn't think I could get the day off from work... turns out my time off request was approved so I went for Worcester I via ticketmaster. I would love the chance to get Worcester II tickets via 10c but I'm out of luck for that so I will have to deal w/ TM again. It's fine but kind of crappy at the same time.

thebends9

I see it as a burn to new members, if you happened to join in between that window of the original sale and the 2nd show. Cant be many new members, but if you fall into that category it kinda blows

pjtaper

Bring back f5! I tried for 3 shows, Seattle and LA 1&2... I got Seattle and LA 1... It's a lottery, keep it random, let everyone that wants to try try... some people tried for 20 shows, some people tried for one... i'm rambling, but I got 66% of the tix I tried for, I'd have prefered to get 2 LA 10C sets or 2 Seattle 10C sets and decide if I wanted to travel to the other city.

jervin007

I have no problem with it.

Does change lottery strategy in the future though. Put shows you know will sell out as your low priorities to remain eligible for additional dates in case you are shut out of top choices

ldent42

I would think that the '2nd chance' option leaves a significant amount of 10c tickets unsold. So I would suggest doing the '2nd chance' lotto, followed by a 'sloppy 2nds' lotto for members who did NOT enter the 1st time. THEN the public sale.

asaters

I am a new member, active as of July 12 this year. That being said, I did not get in the lottery for ANY shows, let alone the Worcester #1. When I go to http://pearljam.com/tickets, at the bottom of the page, I am able to click on the "Worcester Show Added" link, choose GA standing for Worcester #2 as first choice, click CONTINUE, and get to the billing section where it's asking for my CC info. I don't want to go to that show, but it looks like, IF I WANTED, I could enter the lottery for night 2 at Worcester. AGAIN, I did not enter into the lottery before for any shows, and based on what everyone is saying, I SHOULDN'T be able to enter into this lottery.

I am hoping if there is a 2nd show in Seattle, I'll be able to enter. Just as it seems that I can for Worcester.

From PJ Ticket site:
"Only members who entered the drawing for the first Oct 15th Worcester show and whose names were not selected for either GA or Reserved tickets are eligible for this drawing. Members who fall into this category but whose memberships are expired are not eligible for this drawing. Members active as of Monday, July 29th are eligible for this ticket drawing. New memberships and membership renewals purchased after that date are not considered eligible for this ticket drawing pre-sale. Members who already have Ten Club tickets for the Worcester Oct 15th date are not eligible."

I am a member active as of July 29th. Is that why I am able to get in without getting in the lottery for the first night??

Any thoughts?

MayDay10

My guess is they have some way to catch it

Leezestarr313

asaters wrote:

I am a new member, active as of July 12 this year. That being said, I did not get in the lottery for ANY shows, let alone the Worcester #1. When I go to http://pearljam.com/tickets, at the bottom of the page, I am able to click on the "Worcester Show Added" link, choose GA standing for Worcester #2 as first choice, click CONTINUE, and get to the billing section where it's asking for my CC info. I don't want to go to that show, but it looks like, IF I WANTED, I could enter the lottery for night 2 at Worcester. AGAIN, I did not enter into the lottery before for any shows, and based on what everyone is saying, I SHOULDN'T be able to enter into this lottery.

I am hoping if there is a 2nd show in Seattle, I'll be able to enter. Just as it seems that I can for Worcester.

From PJ Ticket site:
"Only members who entered the drawing for the first Oct 15th Worcester show and whose names were not selected for either GA or Reserved tickets are eligible for this drawing. Members who fall into this category but whose memberships are expired are not eligible for this drawing. Members active as of Monday, July 29th are eligible for this ticket drawing. New memberships and membership renewals purchased after that date are not considered eligible for this ticket drawing pre-sale. Members who already have Ten Club tickets for the Worcester Oct 15th date are not eligible."

I am a member active as of July 29th. Is that why I am able to get in without getting in the lottery for the first night??

Any thoughts?

Well, that is interesting. I just clicked on that show too and got the same screen. I didn't proceed to choose a show, but should I be able to see this screen if i'm theoretically not eligible (cause I didn't choose Worcester in the first place)? :think: The scenario would be the same for me for a second Seattle show...

smanchac1

pjtaper wrote:

Bring back f5! I tried for 3 shows, Seattle and LA 1&2... I got Seattle and LA 1... It's a lottery, keep it random, let everyone that wants to try try... some people tried for 20 shows, some people tried for one... i'm rambling, but I got 66% of the tix I tried for, I'd have prefered to get 2 LA 10C sets or 2 Seattle 10C sets and decide if I wanted to travel to the other city.

Actually you got 100% of tickets you entered for. Once you won Seattle, then LA 1, you were removed for LA2. So you got both choices that you could ( seeing as your only allowed one night per two night stand )

I hate F5, that gives people a chance to cheat and abuse the system.

With the lottery everyone has an equal chance at each show. It's no ones fault but your own if you only put in for one show.

I have had really good luck with the lottery, and think most people have.

smanchac1

Leezestarr313 wrote:

asaters wrote:

I am a new member, active as of July 12 this year. That being said, I did not get in the lottery for ANY shows, let alone the Worcester #1. When I go to http://pearljam.com/tickets, at the bottom of the page, I am able to click on the "Worcester Show Added" link, choose GA standing for Worcester #2 as first choice, click CONTINUE, and get to the billing section where it's asking for my CC info. I don't want to go to that show, but it looks like, IF I WANTED, I could enter the lottery for night 2 at Worcester. AGAIN, I did not enter into the lottery before for any shows, and based on what everyone is saying, I SHOULDN'T be able to enter into this lottery.

I am hoping if there is a 2nd show in Seattle, I'll be able to enter. Just as it seems that I can for Worcester.

From PJ Ticket site:
"Only members who entered the drawing for the first Oct 15th Worcester show and whose names were not selected for either GA or Reserved tickets are eligible for this drawing. Members who fall into this category but whose memberships are expired are not eligible for this drawing. Members active as of Monday, July 29th are eligible for this ticket drawing. New memberships and membership renewals purchased after that date are not considered eligible for this ticket drawing pre-sale. Members who already have Ten Club tickets for the Worcester Oct 15th date are not eligible."

I am a member active as of July 29th. Is that why I am able to get in without getting in the lottery for the first night??

Any thoughts?

Well, that is interesting. I just clicked on that show too and got the same screen. I didn't proceed to choose a show, but should I be able to see this screen if i'm theoretically not eligible (cause I didn't choose Worcester in the first place)? :think: The scenario would be the same for me for a second Seattle show...

You already quoted the answer... Maybe you missed this -

"Only members who entered the drawing for the first Oct 15th Worcester show and whose names were not selected for either GA or Reserved tickets are eligible for this drawing."

Which means yes you can enter, but if you did not enter the first time you will either be removed before the drawing, or, if your name is pulled as a winner but you didn't put in the first time you are disqualified and therefore are not eligible.

Being an active member only means, if your membership expired between the 1st and 2nd lotto, your not eligible. Just because your an active member doesn't mean you can and will win tickets.

Anyone can enter. Any member! But again if you enter but did not select Boston the first time, then you are not allowed to win tickets.

Fifi_Ireland

What i find weird is they issued a statement to people who had entered previously but didnt even bother to send a general email to the rest of us re the normal ticket sales. Whatever the lottery rules everyone should get something to say its on in the first place so they have a chance to ticketmaster. You shouldnt have to be checling the main website to find out.

MayDay10

jervin007 wrote:

I have no problem with it.

Does change lottery strategy in the future though. Put shows you know will sell out as your low priorities to remain eligible for additional dates in case you are shut out of top choices

Yeah just roll out the ga requests

youngster

If you didn't select Worcester as one of your choices the first time, why do you all of a sudden want to go now?

MayDay10

In the op I wasnt talking about worcester specifically, but gave a few examples where this policy is a bummer.

PJ_Soul

I don't agree with it. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would have entered for the first show if they were available to go to it but weren't... That doesn't mean they won't be available the next night. Doesn't seem fair to lock those people out of the lottery just because they knew they couldn't make it to the first show.

Suziemay

duska3419 wrote:

I would think that the '2nd chance' option leaves a significant amount of 10c tickets unsold. So I would suggest doing the '2nd chance' lotto, followed by a 'sloppy 2nds' lotto for members who did NOT enter the 1st time. THEN the public sale.

Yes yes yes, I support this. October 16 is my birthday

Suziemay

youngster wrote:

If you didn't select Worcester as one of your choices the first time, why do you all of a sudden want to go now?

Because it's not worth it to travel just for one show, but I'd do it for two shows (especially since the newly announced show is MY BIRTHDAY!!). Or maybe someone couldn't make night 1 due to prior commitments but is available for night 2.

I agree with the rationale of offering up to folks who lost first time around to be fair to locals who missed out on the first show. However selfishly I wish they had opened it up to everyone because I would have loved to have tried for it.

I'm going to stop talking about my birthday at the risk of sounding self-absorbed :oops: :oops:

PJ_Soul

Suziemay wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

I would think that the '2nd chance' option leaves a significant amount of 10c tickets unsold. So I would suggest doing the '2nd chance' lotto, followed by a 'sloppy 2nds' lotto for members who did NOT enter the 1st time. THEN the public sale.

Yes yes yes, I support this. October 16 is my birthday

Yes, that system would be better than nothing. But really, new show, new lottery. I think anyone who doesn't already have tix to the first show should be able to enter right off the bat.

PJ_Soul

youngster wrote:

If you didn't select Worcester as one of your choices the first time, why do you all of a sudden want to go now?

Different night... Some people are busy on the first night, but can go on the second night.

Suziemay

PJ_Soul wrote:

Suziemay wrote:

duska3419 wrote:

I would think that the '2nd chance' option leaves a significant amount of 10c tickets unsold. So I would suggest doing the '2nd chance' lotto, followed by a 'sloppy 2nds' lotto for members who did NOT enter the 1st time. THEN the public sale.

Yes yes yes, I support this. October 16 is my birthday

Yes, that system would be better than nothing. But really, new show, new lottery. I think anyone who doesn't already have tix to the first show should be able to enter right off the bat.

I disagree with you. If this happened in NYC where I missed out on Barclays 1 and they announced Barclays 2 and reopened the lottery to EVERYONE not just the ones who missed out of Barclays 1, you'd better believe I'd be livid, especially if I missed out on the lottery again to a show in my backyard. It's 10c's attempt at making it fair and I think it was a good decision given the demand for tickets and how many people drew nothing for Leg 1. Even though it puts me at a disadvantage for my own personal agenda.

ambrasjes

Can't think of anything in my entire agenda that I couldn't reschedule in case Pearl Jam was holding a concert in my Vicinity 4 months from now.

I personally declined an award show once with the words: "Sorry but I can't make it, I already have an important meeting scheduled with Pearl Jam in Amsterdam".

Got my priorities right.

youngster

Suziemay wrote:

youngster wrote:

If you didn't select Worcester as one of your choices the first time, why do you all of a sudden want to go now?

Because it's not worth it to travel just for one show, but I'd do it for two shows (especially since the newly announced show is MY BIRTHDAY!!). Or maybe someone couldn't make night 1 due to prior commitments but is available for night 2.

I agree with the rationale of offering up to folks who lost first time around to be fair to locals who missed out on the first show. However selfishly I wish they had opened it up to everyone because I would have loved to have tried for it.

I'm going to stop talking about my birthday at the risk of sounding self-absorbed :oops: :oops:

Ok, I see your point about the 2 show thing. I doubt many people had unbreakable plans for a Tuesday in mid-October (unless its a vacation). And it's not like they are saying 10c members excluded from the lottery aren't allowed to go to the show. There will be a public sale. Seems like people look at non-10c tix like rotten fruit, yet still complain that their 10c seats aren't close enough. This second show lottery is still a lottery and not everyone will win tickets.

And I hope you get to see your Birthday show, Suzie.

Suziemay

youngster wrote:

Suziemay wrote:

youngster wrote:

If you didn't select Worcester as one of your choices the first time, why do you all of a sudden want to go now?

Because it's not worth it to travel just for one show, but I'd do it for two shows (especially since the newly announced show is MY BIRTHDAY!!). Or maybe someone couldn't make night 1 due to prior commitments but is available for night 2.

I agree with the rationale of offering up to folks who lost first time around to be fair to locals who missed out on the first show. However selfishly I wish they had opened it up to everyone because I would have loved to have tried for it.

I'm going to stop talking about my birthday at the risk of sounding self-absorbed :oops: :oops:

Ok, I see your point about the 2 show thing. I doubt many people had unbreakable plans for a Tuesday in mid-October (unless its a vacation). And it's not like they are saying 10c members excluded from the lottery aren't allowed to go to the show. There will be a public sale. Seems like people look at non-10c tix like rotten fruit, yet still complain that their 10c seats aren't close enough. This second show lottery is still a lottery and not everyone will win tickets.

And I hope you get to see your Birthday show, Suzie.

Thanks, me too!! I'll be begging and pleading for a spare GA tickets when they announce the lottery results. I'm trying not to get all nutty about needing to be on the rail for every single show (I had grabbed a set from TM for night 1 "just in case") however I think I need to be on the rail for the birthday show. Once in a lifetime opportunity!

bootlegger10

I knew I wouldn't get Seattle in lottery as I was placing other cities in first but I threw in Seattle anyway just for the fact that I thought you may need to enter for Seattle 1 to have the opportunity at a second show if it pops up. The strategy may work out for me.

P.S. I think it is okay what the Ten Club is doing with the second on-sales. Just rewarding those who put in for the first show and were denied. I don't think it is about excluding folks but more of rewarding those who would have committed to the 1st show.

backseatLover12

Suziemay wrote:

I disagree with you. If this happened in NYC where I missed out on Barclays 1 and they announced Barclays 2 and reopened the lottery to EVERYONE not just the ones who missed out of Barclays 1, you'd better believe I'd be livid, especially if I missed out on the lottery again to a show in my backyard. It's 10c's attempt at making it fair and I think it was a good decision given the demand for tickets and how many people drew nothing for Leg 1. Even though it puts me at a disadvantage for my own personal agenda.

Thank you. Good luck for your birthday show.

PJ_Soul

ambrasjes wrote:

Can't think of anything in my entire agenda that I couldn't reschedule in case Pearl Jam was holding a concert in my Vicinity 4 months from now.

I personally declined an award show once with the words: "Sorry but I can't make it, I already have an important meeting scheduled with Pearl Jam in Amsterdam".

Got my priorities right.

I was devastated that I couldn't go to Seattle 1, but I simply cannot get the day off work or leave early enough to get down there. I would fuck a bunch of people over if I called in sick at that time, and my boss isn't that stupid anyway. :( It is pretty much the only time that I absolutely couldn't take off from work. Bad ass luck. :x But I keep learning things with these lotteries. If I'm ever in the same kind of position again, I'll just put the high demand show that has a possibility for an added show as a low priority, be guaranteed the loss for the first show, and then be able to enter for a second if there is one. Hindsight is 20/20! Not that I'm all bent put of shape about it. That's how the cookie crumbles. Of course I'd still get to a second show, and I don't have a big prob with public sales. I just want to be there.... Still, it's just nice to be able to enter the lottery.

MayDay10

Maybe if they opened it up also to those shut out of all their choices too?

pjtaper

smanchac1 wrote:

pjtaper wrote:

Bring back f5! I tried for 3 shows, Seattle and LA 1&2... I got Seattle and LA 1... It's a lottery, keep it random, let everyone that wants to try try... some people tried for 20 shows, some people tried for one... i'm rambling, but I got 66% of the tix I tried for, I'd have prefered to get 2 LA 10C sets or 2 Seattle 10C sets and decide if I wanted to travel to the other city.

Actually you got 100% of tickets you entered for. Once you won Seattle, then LA 1, you were removed for LA2. So you got both choices that you could ( seeing as your only allowed one night per two night stand )

I hate F5, that gives people a chance to cheat and abuse the system.

With the lottery everyone has an equal chance at each show. It's no ones fault but your own if you only put in for one show.

I have had really good luck with the lottery, and think most people have.

too many rules... bring back f5 and keep it simple.