Saying "NO!" to Brendan O'Brien

pearljamdude420

get trent reznor to help with the next album

TroubledSoul

reading between the lines from what Ed said prior to playing unthought known at pj20, BoB pretty much thought most of backspacer was shit.

in referring to unthought known, apparently BoB said "this song was one worth recording".

i laughed at the time but i dont know if many others found the same humour in it. from memory he also said that BoB was around for the "good" albums.

PJ_Soul

fox_mulderX wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

fox_mulderX wrote:

Pearl Jam doesn't need a keyboardist, or an organ. Fact.

As a piano player, I disagree. :nono: I love songs with heavy keyboards/piano/organ, as long as it's done well.

As a former piano player, I disagree. There's a time and place for everything, and an organ during Even Flow is just nonsense. Crazy Mary was ruined, and let's not forget about Black. I think one of the main reasons why I have such a hard time enjoying Riot Act is because of Boom. To this day, I never understood the point of his addition to the band. Nothing against him, I just don't like Pearl Jam sounding like The Phantom of the Opera.

Well I don't mean that there should be keys in every or even a lot of songs obviously. :fp: That would be nuts. And PJ does not have heavys keys. But it's still good for a band to have a keyboardist for those songs where it does sound cool, so I think it works just find for Boom (or whoever) to be on hand. I personally don't think his presence ever ruined anything.

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

All this negativity from people who were

A.not in the studio and have no idea what happend

B.not around for the original conception of these songs but wanna blame the guy that the band thinks brings out the best of them.

Everyday this forum becomes more and more unbearable.

Adamcado

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayhem wrote:

Everyday this forum becomes more and more unbearable.

It's changed alot...

You used to be able to discuss loads of PJ related stuff on the old forum...

Now it's basically page after page of ticket threads...

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

Ticket threads or complaints........i thought this was a place where we could all express our love for the band....not just voice everything we think the band should be doing.

Kat and Sea, maybe we should just start a complaining forum.

Spiritual_Chaos

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayhem wrote:

Ticket threads or complaints........i thought this was a place where we could all express our love for the band....not just voice everything we think the band should be doing.

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

Once in a while its ok to voice concerns, dislikes, ect. but this forum has been flooded with these things for a long time. Really too bad.

Spiritual_Chaos

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayhem wrote:

Once in a while its ok to voice concerns, dislikes, ect. but this forum has been flooded with these things for a long time. Really too bad.

So? If people want to voice their concern, so be it. People are happy when they are happy, and not happy when they are not.

Rather have a board which reflects the members and where people can critize and bring up things that should change instead of a place where you just "talk about how much you love the band" or otherwise keep quiet.

DH62179

Who else thinks BOB leaked these songs to take the heat off of him?

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh

Rather have a board which reflects the members and where people can critize and bring up things that should change instead of a place where you just "talk about how much you love the band" or otherwise keep quiet.[/quote]

I understand what you are saying...but say I was a new fan to Pearl Jam after hearing MYM (which fuckin rocks btw) and I came on here....I would be so taken a back by all the negativity. Didn't your moms ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.

And if you really look at it a lot of the negativity is about art!!!! Trashing art is never cool........

Bigda

i only have one thing to say: i appreciated BOB's input much more during "Merkinball" era than during this keys solo..
sorry, but this should not have happened.. hate to say it but it was just cheezy.

Soulfire42

Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayhem wrote:

Rather have a board which reflects the members and where people can critize and bring up things that should change instead of a place where you just "talk about how much you love the band" or otherwise keep quiet.

I understand what you are saying...but say I was a new fan to Pearl Jam after hearing MYM (which fuckin rocks btw) and I came on here....I would be so taken a back by all the negativity. Didn't your moms ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.

And if you really look at it a lot of the negativity is about art!!!! Trashing art is never cool........[/quote]

When something is pleasing to people they often post about it. In fact, I just posted the lyrics and praise about Cold Concession. When something is cheezy as hell or we see the band trapped in a relationship with a producer who thinks he's "one of the guys" and it's having a detrimental impact on the music, we should be able to speak about that too. Maybe there's a reason for people's negativity and maybe there's a reason when things are positive. A review of this thread seems to make it clear that at least some of the fanbase are hearing a very "cheezy" influence being added to Pearl Jam albums and now live performances of songs like Future Days and we're not happy about it. At the same time, we can see people piling on praise for some stuff that slipped out. We can also see a lot of praise for Mind Your Manners which is quite free from the O'Brien cheez factor, though I would still argue that it has some "digital" feel about it. A digital feel isn't the tinkling cheez those of us who are complaining about O'Brien's production are complaining about though. Saying that something is art or lumping a producer's production, cheezy additions, and unusual relationship with a band into art and then declaring art sacrosanct/immune to criticism is just silly.

JimmyV

DH62179 wrote:

Who else thinks BOB leaked these songs to take the heat off of him?