PEARL JAM ANNOUNCES FALL 2013 NORTH AMERICAN TOUR DATES

Nathan Logan

I completely understand some frustrations with the lottery. I was frustrated before the lottery when 10c announced the rules. Shouldn't club members have a better chance in their hometown than someone traveling? Can't there just be a one use only password per member for a general presale on ticketmaster? And as I agree with those things, I also figure the powers that be know what they're doing, are trying to be fair, and there are just tons of members out there now, so it's trickier.
I also think loyalty with music is a hard thing to measure. Just because one pays their membership dues responsibly doesn't necessarily mean they're more loyal. More responsible and more flush? Probably, yeah. More loyal? I wouldn't say that.

Glodowski

Can't wait for Wrigley! Gonna be an epic show. $5 says they make a DVD about that and the Ontario show

Glodowski

Seems like a lot of the posts on here of fans getting shut out were in the north east. I put in for 2 shows and got GA for Dallas and reserved seating in Oklahoma City. Just wondering if those were 2 shows that alot people got denied. And I was shocked when the tour was announced that there was not ONE football stadium show. Seems like they could have played an epic show where the Seattle Seahawks play with 65,000 loyal fans instead of tiny Key Arena.

Miss Terri

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! ~ with much love, Happiest Girl On the Planet

Scarlet Moone

VERY excited and grateful to win GA Vancouver tix! Was hoping for Seattle too as it will mark 20 years since I went to an epic GA show there in 1993. But I'm sure if I'm meant to go to that show too I will find a way. I like the new system of spreading the love and giving everyone a chance to get great seats. I've been a PJ fan for over 20 years but haven't always been a Ten Club member so the seniority thing has always irked me a bit as it doesn't define how big a fan you are. Congrats to those who got tix!! And I hope to everyone who didn't win that you find a way to get in to the shows you desire! It will happen.

sam8th

Wow. So several folks randomly got seats to multiple shows and several folks got none? I got none. I only put in for Seattle because I was afraid of getting picked for more than one and couldn't afford it. Now I wonder that I didn't make a mistake and should have put in for ALL shows. Just to maybe get one. Up until now, being a member meant getting 10C tickets, period. It was a perk of being a member. I've never seen this particular thing happen. For some folks to get multiple shows and some get none doesn't seem right. I merely wanted one nice show with my seniority seating. Was that really too much to ask? I only am a member for the tickets ... what will keep me being a member? Hope for them to go back to basics? Hmmm, I don't know.

In_hidding 45

Whipping_Boy wrote:

Right or wrong, I think a lot of members treat being in the 10 club like being a season ticket holder to a sports team. You started membership in X year, maintained your status/paid your annual fees according to the rules which secured your spot/10C number in line, and you expect the benefits that come with seniority. This new system is almost like the Green Bay Packers just said to their fanbase - you know what, all you old folks with really good seats that have been in your family for 50 years? We're going to recycle them now by putting them in a lottery. Its time for new blood. If the 10 club never issued numbers and never used those numbers to indicate seniority, then yes it should be random every year. But that is not how the system has worked for the past 20 years. Older members have stayed invested in the 10 club with the understanding that their number is precious and translates to seniority because that is how the system has worked from the beginning. Without these old time members who stayed year in and year out you could argue that there wouldn't be a fanclub today. At least not one as strong as the 10 club. Those folks have been financing this club from the beginning with their dues. There is a happy medium in here somewhere.

I have only been a member since the early 2000s, so I am by no means an "old" member. This cat (Whipping_Boy) has it right on. If I were a 20 year member and didn't get every show I submitted for, I would be angry too.

PJ_Soul

sam8th wrote:

Wow. So several folks randomly got seats to multiple shows and several folks got none? I got none. I only put in for Seattle because I was afraid of getting picked for more than one and couldn't afford it. Now I wonder that I didn't make a mistake and should have put in for ALL shows. Just to maybe get one. Up until now, being a member meant getting 10C tickets, period. It was a perk of being a member. I've never seen this particular thing happen. For some folks to get multiple shows and some get none doesn't seem right. I merely wanted one nice show with my seniority seating. Was that really too much to ask? I only am a member for the tickets ... what will keep me being a member? Hope for them to go back to basics? Hmmm, I don't know.

The only more fair solution i can think of is for people to only get one show maximum per tour. However, that would still leave a TON of people without tix, particularly those who can't travel. And Tix for locals wouldn't work. Too many ways to cheat the system and there would be locals who couldn't get those tix either in high density places, and then they'd be up shit creek, since no one who missed out locally could travel anywhere else because the locals have all the tix most venues.... So in the end, I think the current system is probably the best one. There are other ways to get tix. It's not like people are locked out of the show just because they didn't get 10c tix.

TAC

Missed out on lottery I've always got tickmaster. Hope to see everyone in Seattle and PDX

TAC

I've been a member since 1996. I'm not bitching about tickets. I've been fortunate over the years to get great seats. 1998 got front row center seats PDX, the gorge third row center. Lets remember a lot of people want to see their shows. I don't give a crap if I have to seat in the nose bleed section.

I didn't get tickets in the lottery. There is always ticketmaster. I hope to see everyone in Seattle and PDX.

Bails

Just wanted to see if anyone knows if PJ will be doing a Canadian tour in the winter of 2014? This fall tour only has 2 west coast Canadian gigs and nothing for Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa or Montreal. Any word on if any of those places will be future stops in 2014?

arq

Bails wrote:

Just wanted to see if anyone knows if PJ will be doing a Canadian tour in the winter of 2014? This fall tour only has 2 west coast Canadian gigs and nothing for Toronto, Hamilton, Ottawa or Montreal. Any word on if any of those places will be future stops in 2014?

Next year will be Europe and Australia.

Bails

I can't see them snubbing the faithful Canadians. I am sure that a small 1 will be added...I hope

NK10452

A few thoughts after reading the many posts that followed my venting session yesterday.

I don't get the people who are making the following argument: Just because you've been a 10c member longer than I have doesn't make you more of a fan or a more loyal fan than me.

Yeah, it kind of does. The longer you've been a member, the more money you've put where your mouth is. Cash is about as strong a currency of loyalty as there can be. It doesn't make the newbie a bad guy, but to argue that how long you've been a member means nothing is just silly.

I don't think anyone is pissed at the new 10c members (I know i'm not) -- I think people are annoyed with the 10c.

I don't see it as veteran members acting entitled or being babies. It's just that the 10c has operated in a certain manner for a long time. From the days of the money purchase orders to the recent years of constantly hitting refresh to get tixx, seniority has always mattered. Even with the latter method, it seems like it was the veterans who were willing to sit at their computers for 2+ hours, hitting refresh constantly, in an attempt to score tickets, and not the new guys. Again, it's anecdotal, but that's definitely been my experience.

With almost every club I can think of, as you become more senior, your benefits increase. You've put in the most money and, as a result, you receive the most benefits. I think it's unreasonable to offer the guy who's been in the club for a month the same opportunity at tickets as the guy who's been in the club for nearly 20 years. If you disagree, that's fine, but I've yet to hear a good argument as to why. Like I said in my previous post, I get it from PJ's perspective: I'm going to go out and pay a premium to make sure I'm at the shows I want to attend; I don't think the same can be said for the new guys, if they're shut out. But acting as though the veterans who were shut out and are a bit pissed off, are somehow being childish, is just ridiculous.

Lastly, PJ_Soul -- dial it down like 10 notches. There's absolutely no need to take on the role of 10c forum avenger. You don't need to reply to every post. We get it . . . we all get it.

PJ_Soul

NK10452 wrote:

A few thoughts after reading the many posts that followed my venting session yesterday.

I don't get the people who are making the following argument: Just because you've been a 10c member longer than I have doesn't make you more of a fan or a more loyal fan than me.

Yeah, it kind of does. The longer you've been a member, the more money you've put where your mouth is. Cash is about as strong a currency of loyalty as there can be. It doesn't make the newbie a bad guy, but to argue that how long you've been a member means nothing is just silly.

I don't think anyone is pissed at the new 10c members (I know i'm not) -- I think people are annoyed with the 10c.

I don't see it as veteran members acting entitled or being babies. It's just that the 10c has operated in a certain manner for a long time. From the days of the money purchase orders to the recent years of constantly hitting refresh to get tixx, seniority has always mattered. Even with the latter method, it seems like it was the veterans who were willing to sit at their computers for 2+ hours, hitting refresh constantly, in an attempt to score tickets, and not the new guys. Again, it's anecdotal, but that's definitely been my experience.

With almost every club I can think of, as you become more senior, your benefits increase. You've put in the most money and, as a result, you receive the most benefits. I think it's unreasonable to offer the guy who's been in the club for a month the same opportunity at tickets as the guy who's been in the club for nearly 20 years. If you disagree, that's fine, but I've yet to hear a good argument as to why. Like I said in my previous post, I get it from PJ's perspective: I'm going to go out and pay a premium to make sure I'm at the shows I want to attend; I don't think the same can be said for the new guys, if they're shut out. But acting as though the veterans who were shut out and are a bit pissed off, are somehow being childish, is just ridiculous.

Lastly, PJ_Soul -- dial it down like 10 notches. There's absolutely no need to take on the role of 10c forum avenger. You don't need to reply to every post. We get it . . . we all get it.

Wow. Nothing gets me revved up more than someone telling me to calm down. ... You know why I am so into this conversation? Because as a new member, I find it really frustrating and kind of insulting that you think you should have it better than me, since I'm just as big a fan as you are and am paying $50 a year to be a member. It's not cool to have people saying that I and those like me don't deserve equal opportunities for anything. It's not so much just about PJ, it's the general attitude that's irritating.
The amount of money you've spent on a band does not define how much of a fan you are..... But I'm sure a lot of bands like your attitude!
Just doesn't make sense because if they are benefiting the seniors, they are necessarily punishing those with less seniority, and that DRIVES NEWER FANS AWAY and doesn't help to attract any. It is not in the band's best interests to make it so that old fans in their 40s get all the best tickets while newer members are left out. They'd drive away business. That would be stupid. Also, I'm not sure if this just hasn't occurred to you or if you're ignoring the fact on purpose, but not all huge PJ fans joined 10C in the early 90s. There are plenty of people who have joined over the years who have still been massive fans from the beginning. Plus, what about the people born later. We have some very dedicated young fans here who weren't even born when you joined 10C, and I don't think it's fair to punish them for their birth date, especially since you've seen PJ tons of times and they have never had a chance. Time to give others a shot man. At this point it just seems greedy. Finally, I think it's plain silly to expect anyone to give credit to people who simply went through whatever process was available at any given time to get tickets. No one cares.

on_board

My membership isn't all that old (mid 2000s), even though I have been a fan since the 90s. I primarily joined to get access to tickets. The club has always made kind of a special deal about seniority and you member number. This is good business as it encourages you to resubscribe, even in years where there are no shows in your area. This has simply always been a part of the way this club has operated.

I think this is a fake argument that this is about new vs older members. The bottom line is the club isn't securing enough club tickets. Last time I bought tickets through this club was in 2010 for the Seattle shows. I don't remember any lottery. My number isn't very senior, and the tickets I received were good but certainly nothing to get too excited about. I attributed this to my more recent club membership number. If the club isn't going to provide access to very many tickets anymore, then why exactly are we doing this? If they are going to go with a new system, make everyone aware that the seniority number system doesn't help anymore and move on. This whole thing was handled very poorly.

PJ_Soul

on_board wrote:

My membership isn't all that old (mid 2000s), even though I have been a fan since the 90s. I primarily joined to get access to tickets. The club has always made kind of a special deal about seniority and you member number. This is good business as it encourages you to resubscribe, even in years where there are no shows in your area. This has simply always been a part of the way this club has operated.

I think this is a fake argument that this is about new vs older members. The bottom line is the club isn't securing enough club tickets. Last time I bought tickets through this club was in 2010 for the Seattle shows. I don't remember any lottery. My number isn't very senior, and the tickets I received were good but certainly nothing to get too excited about. I attributed this to my more recent club membership number. If the club isn't going to provide access to very many tickets anymore, then why exactly are we doing this? If they are going to go with a new system, make everyone aware that the seniority number system doesn't help anymore and move on. This whole thing was handled very poorly.

That's totally true. I wish they would offer more 10C tix.... but consider what band we're talking about, I have to assume that that is out of their control. If anyone knows different, I'd love to hear another explanation.

Corduroyboy

No matter what way the ticket processing is done, people will bitch and complain. Everyone complained before with the seniority system, and now everyone is complaining about the lottery. I guess just do your damnedest to get tickets and if you get them, hey how about that!! And if you don't, well the bootleg will be out shortly. It's always fun at ticket time here in PJ land!!

NK10452

Wow. Nothing gets me revved up more than someone telling me to calm down. ... You know why I am so into this conversation? Because as a new member, I find it really frustrating and kind of insulting that you think you should have it better than me, since I'm just as big a fan as you are and am paying $50 a year to be a member. It's not cool to have people saying that I and those like me don't deserve equal opportunities for anything. It's not so much just about PJ, it's the general attitude that's irritating.
The amount of money you've spent on a band does not define how much of a fan you are..... But I'm sure a lot of bands like your attitude!
Just doesn't make sense because if they are benefiting the seniors, they are necessarily punishing those with less seniority, and that DRIVES NEWER FANS AWAY and doesn't help to attract any. It is not in the band's best interests to make it so that old fans in their 40s get all the best tickets while newer members are left out. They'd drive away business. That would be stupid. Also, I'm not sure if this just hasn't occurred to you or if you're ignoring the fact on purpose, but not all huge PJ fans joined 10C in the early 90s. There are plenty of people who have joined over the years who have still been massive fans from the beginning. Plus, what about the people born later. We have some very dedicated young fans here who weren't even born when you joined 10C, and I don't think it's fair to punish them for their birth date, especially since you've seen PJ tons of times and they have never had a chance. Time to give others a shot man. At this point it just seems greedy. Finally, I think it's plain silly to expect anyone to give credit to people who simply went through whatever process was available at any given time to get tickets. No one cares.[/quote]


1. I'm not in my forties -- i'm 34 -- still in my prime
2. Again, my complaints and the complaints of others arent directed towards you -- not at all -- why WOULDN'T you attempt to get tixx to the shows? That said, I've been putting my money where my mouth is, as far as fandom, since '98 or whatever. That's a decent chunk of change over 15+ years. I think that should entitle me to priority over you when it comes time for tickets, because, let's face it -- that's why we all pay the 10c dues. If you disagree, obviously, that's fine.
3. If your argument is that rewarding seniority would drive away newer members, thus hurting business, then rewarding newer members at the expense of the veterans is, exactly what I've claimed, good for PJ/venue business, but, necessarily, shitty for the veterans. We're not going to forego our memberships; we're likely goign to pay premiums for tixx to get to the shows. And that's ok. But we're the ones who have floated this enterprise for a long time. I hope you all do the same when you start getting shut out of tixx 10+ years from now (assuming PJ is still alive and kicking). You can't have it both ways, intellectually. And I think that's all any of us are saying.

PJ_Soul

NK10452 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Wow. Nothing gets me revved up more than someone telling me to calm down. ... You know why I am so into this conversation? Because as a new member, I find it really frustrating and kind of insulting that you think you should have it better than me, since I'm just as big a fan as you are and am paying $50 a year to be a member. It's not cool to have people saying that I and those like me don't deserve equal opportunities for anything. It's not so much just about PJ, it's the general attitude that's irritating.
The amount of money you've spent on a band does not define how much of a fan you are..... But I'm sure a lot of bands like your attitude!
Just doesn't make sense because if they are benefiting the seniors, they are necessarily punishing those with less seniority, and that DRIVES NEWER FANS AWAY and doesn't help to attract any. It is not in the band's best interests to make it so that old fans in their 40s get all the best tickets while newer members are left out. They'd drive away business. That would be stupid. Also, I'm not sure if this just hasn't occurred to you or if you're ignoring the fact on purpose, but not all huge PJ fans joined 10C in the early 90s. There are plenty of people who have joined over the years who have still been massive fans from the beginning. Plus, what about the people born later. We have some very dedicated young fans here who weren't even born when you joined 10C, and I don't think it's fair to punish them for their birth date, especially since you've seen PJ tons of times and they have never had a chance. Time to give others a shot man. At this point it just seems greedy. Finally, I think it's plain silly to expect anyone to give credit to people who simply went through whatever process was available at any given time to get tickets. No one cares.

1. I'm not in my forties -- i'm 34 -- still in my prime
2. Again, my complaints and the complaints of others arent directed towards you -- not at all -- why WOULDN'T you attempt to get tixx to the shows? That said, I've been putting my money where my mouth is, as far as fandom, since '98 or whatever. That's a decent chunk of change over 15+ years. I think that should entitle me to priority over you when it comes time for tickets, because, let's face it -- that's why we all pay the 10c dues. If you disagree, obviously, that's fine.
3. If your argument is that rewarding seniority would drive away newer members, thus hurting business, then rewarding newer members at the expense of the veterans is, exactly what I've claimed, good for PJ/venue business, but, necessarily, shitty for the veterans. We're not going to forego our memberships; we're likely goign to pay premiums for tixx to get to the shows. And that's ok. But we're the ones who have floated this enterprise for a long time. I hope you all do the same when you start getting shut out of tixx 10+ years from now (assuming PJ is still alive and kicking). You can't have it both ways, intellectually. And I think that's all any of us are saying.

Okay (the 40 y.o. thing was just a vague statement - I realize that some aren't that old... I've been a fan since the beginning and am 37).... It's just that newer members aren't saying that seniors should actually be put at a DISadvantage. Just that they are equal with everyone else as far as their chances of getting tix go. That's not the case with what some seniors are saying. They want the newer members to be at a disadvantage to them, on TOP of getting the best reserved seats (which is, of course, the ONLY advantage that senior members have ever had). That's what I have trouble with. Also, why would I suddenly start to be shut out of tickets more in 10+ years than I am now? It's not like my chances will go down more than new members... It's all just to do with supply and demand. PJ is hot right now and they do small tours. That's why more seniors got less tix than they're used to getting in the past. That's always been what dictates how easy it's been for them to get tix. Just hard to understand why they think things should change now......... I know I'm beating a very dead horse. I just can't help it. Of course we are entitled to our own opinions, but the particular opinion being expressed seems to defies logic in a way, which is why I guess I'm having trouble with it.