fact is i do remember mike paying large sums out in hush money & for folks to drop the accusations. if i were a grown ass man (which i am) i would never in a trillion years settle molestation charges in this fashion. give away my hard earned money brought on by my artistic & musical gift.... fuck that.
folks setting me up, black mail, extortion, scams, through threats & force, fucking ridiculous. mike paid out a lot of money for troubles to disappear. that is a pampered, guilty little guy
mike is a worm & a very fragile little guy who fully seems to have been a danger to children
That requires you to assume you know what people do in certain situations. I assume you've never been a millionaire pop star, or been accused of such things.
People always say, "oh Id take a polygraph" or "id never settle" "id never confess to a crime I didnt commit".
The fact is you dont know. You dont know how youd react. Anyone attempting to suggest they know what it was like to be MJ is high on some serious drugs.
Jordy's dad got a confession from his son from truth serum and somehow this made worldwide news and brought MJ to trial. Or on the verge.
Again anyone attempting to say "yeah I know what I'd do if that happened" is mental and talking nonsense.
false!
im a grown ass man who enjoys grown ass women as my bed partners. mike is a fucking weirdo & enjoys young boys. mike is a sick fucking dude who has no spinal cord or back bone or any sense of being a solid stand up man.
his whole world was & is a sick frickin comedy, weak, twisted & full of doubt
Likes young boys? I assume you mean this in a criminal way. What evidence do you have beyond two hallucinatory confessions by the accusors, that MJ ever did ANYTHING untoward to the 2 accusers or anyone else during his entire life?
To accuse someone of such a crime, you need evidence. I followed the case from day 1. I watched the trial in 2005. Ive read transcripts of it all. There is no evidence.
The cases are lacking in any smoking gun. You dont think that if the LAPD really had found some serious piece of evidence that would definitively prove MJ molested children, that this wouldnt have been THE SMOKING GUN at both trials?
I never saw it. And thats cause it didnt exist. 2 confessions. thats it. Thats the "evidence".
this is absurd. The city of LA spent over a decade focused in on MJ. They went through his possessions. his home. Searched it all. They found not a single photo. Video. No book. No evidence at all suggesting he ever molested anyone. Which makes him the most bizaare abuser ever, he takes a decade break between abuses?
Yea the fact that there were 1000's of kids at neverland ranch and he was only accused 2 times always seemed strange to me (if the accusations were true).
Plus if the accusations were true, why would the parents take money in exchange for their silence? I wouldn't. I would want that person rotting in jail (or worse) and I would never stop talking about it. Now if I was a conman taking advantage of a very rich person's strange (but not illegal) relationship with kids I would take the payoff and be laughing all the way to the bank.
MJ said he paid them off because he didn't want to subject his family to a trial
Years ago, I settled with certain individuals because I was concerned about my family and the media scrutiny that would have ensued if I fought the matter in court.
How's that working out for your daughter these days MJ?
He was never convicted, at the end of the day the prosecutor either fucked it up or he never did it.... You have to live with the system and move on. The cases were never slam dunks with any real evidence than shady people's accounts.
I personally think he probably did it, but I also know tons of clergy got away with it, tons of scumbag stockbrokers, bankers brought down the global economy, bush and his douchbag cabinet set a chain of events where we lost trillions, million killed and we never found wmd's.
What's the point? Rich people/institutions skate while the rest of us smoke a fuckin joint and you can get arrested unless you live in a few places.
the fact the two confessions were spearheaded and led by the parents, tells you all you need to know.
enjoyed reading your well thought out and rounded comments in this thread.
MJ struggled with these stories whilst alive and had to endure very public trials regarding them, and was found innocent. People will never let it lie, which is a shame, attacking a man who can no longer defend himself from beyond the grave in an attempt at sensationalist media headlines is pretty pathetic.
Sure he wasn't what many would consider 'normal', sure his life was a circus (mostly through being a child star and thoroughly exploited), and sure he was robbed of his childhood, and was uber wealthy as a result.....but to jump on the bandwagon time and time again through 'what you are told by the news' without knowing anything more is quite sad.
Not that wiki is the leading source of info, but this is from them ...
In August 1993, Jackson's home was raided by the police who, according to court documents, found books and photographs in his bedroom featuring young boys with little or no clothing.[139] In Dec 1993, Jackson was strip searched.[140] Jordan Chandler had reportedly given police a description of Jackson's intimate parts, and the strip search revealed that Jordan had correctly claimed Jackson had patchy-coloured buttocks, short pubic hair, and pink and brown marked testicles, but wrongly claimed Jackson was circumcised, though doctors at the strip search also struggled to tell if Jackson was circumcised.[140] Reportedly, Jordan had also previously drawn accurate pictures of a dark spot on Jackson's penis only visible when his penis was lifted.[141] This dark spot was corroborated by the sheriff's photographer[142] and the District Attorney in sworn affidavits.
MJ pays them $22M out of court. They stop working with the police. And the case is dropped.
the attitude of those who are defending Michael Jackson in here are why celebs can't get convicted of shit in this country. I wonder if these same defenders would be ok with a grown man in their neighborhood admitting he likes to sleep in the same bed as young boys. yet they give this freak a pass because he had some talent. absurd.
the attitude of those who are defending Michael Jackson in here are why celebs can't get convicted of shit in this country. I wonder if these same defenders would be ok with a grown man in their neighborhood admitting he likes to sleep in the same bed as young boys. yet they give this freak a pass because he had some talent. absurd.
^this
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
The difficulty with sexual abuse cases is that a lot of times there isn't a lot of evidence, if any. A lot of times the only indication of any abuse is a behavioral change in the victim, which can be easily missed or attributed to something else. Because the abuse often is not violent, the kids don't even understand that it is abuse. Whether because of conflicting feelings about the abuser, or their own feelings of shame, they will often staunchly deny any abuse and defend the perpetrator...often for years or decades after the abuse has even ended. The fact that these cases are so difficult to prove, and the fact that the character and motivations of the victims is often questioned, are some of the reasons the majority of survivors will never ever come forward. Similar accusations were thrown around in the Sandusky case...that the victims were seeking money or...notoriety :roll: :? That secondary traumatization of not being believed and validated is often more psychologically damaging than the abuse itself...and to have it questioned by the world...well I just feel a lot of empathy for the accusers in that case. I don't know enough about the MJ case to talk specifics. I do know that some types of pedophiles relate as though they're children and therefore never see what they are doing is wrong because they are so childlike themselves. That is consistent for MJ. It appears from the other links that were posted there is some other damning evidence. sad sad sad
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I am not convinced yet that he abused anyone. I am however convinced that a fairly large group of people abused Michael, while the entire world watched and looked the other way. I appreciate Michael for all he has given to the world and mourn for all he has suffered.
the fact the two confessions were spearheaded and led by the parents, tells you all you need to know.
enjoyed reading your well thought out and rounded comments in this thread.
MJ struggled with these stories whilst alive and had to endure very public trials regarding them, and was found innocent. People will never let it lie, which is a shame, attacking a man who can no longer defend himself from beyond the grave in an attempt at sensationalist media headlines is pretty pathetic.
Sure he wasn't what many would consider 'normal', sure his life was a circus (mostly through being a child star and thoroughly exploited), and sure he was robbed of his childhood, and was uber wealthy as a result.....but to jump on the bandwagon time and time again through 'what you are told by the news' without knowing anything more is quite sad.
I guess O.J. was innocent too, right? Just because you're found innocent in court doesn't mean that you are!!
Money= the best lawyers or the ability to pay outrageous settlements.
Repeat, he was a diddler!! Too bad his death wasn't slow and extremely painful.
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If I showed a picture of Michael Jackson(before his death) and a picture of a Priest(who was convicted of rape, take your pick there are 100's of them)
to lets say someone on this planet who has never seen Michael Jackson Before ( I know fat chance) and asked them to point out whose been convicted of rape....which one will they pick?
Like I said earlier Michael brought alot of this shit on himself, and yes rich people get away with shit all the time....but Why do millions of people have a hard time believing Priests and other clergy are capable of Rape when there is much more hard evidence than Michael Jackson?? After Michael's 1st run in with these allegations you dont think the Santa Barbara police, or some tabloid rag didnt keep that Super Spotlight on him to get that piece of evidence that would leave no doubt? The cases feel apart in court
Now you have this douche backup dancer claiming Michael raped him for years, and yet he said he didnt under outh. This Douche was also once rich and is now broke.
Who would let their kids stay with Michael after years of allegations??? Opportunists thats who?
I'm not trying to defend the guy..but if you wanna convict people on hearsay than this country becomes a bigger prison than it already is.
The difficulty with sexual abuse cases is that a lot of times there isn't a lot of evidence, if any. A lot of times the only indication of any abuse is a behavioral change in the victim, which can be easily missed or attributed to something else.
Which breaks my heart, because it's also about someone's word against another (even if after the fact).
That secondary traumatization of not being believed and validated is often more psychologically damaging than the abuse itself...and to have it questioned by the world...well I just feel a lot of empathy for the accusers in that case.
Again, breaks my heart. To have it questioned by anyone...forty years later and I don't think I'll ever forget that subsequent kick in the figurative balls.
While there may never be justice, may there at least be release that brings about peace.
Add to all this something that cannot be disputed: Jackson (and his estate) bought the rights to Beatles songs and then sold off some of them for advertise products and in doing so, sold off their integrity- another form of perversion.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Add to all this something that cannot be disputed: Jackson (and his estate) bought the rights to Beatles songs and then sold off some of them for advertise products and in doing so, sold off their integrity- another form of perversion.
Perhaps the integrity began to slip when John and Paul chose to Incorporate and leave the precious collection vulnerable.
Jackson's a joke in every way, shape or form ... I've long ago stopped figuring out why people defend this guy, just like I've long ago stopped trying to figure out why some people think OJ is innocent.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Jackson's a joke in every way, shape or form ... I've long ago stopped figuring out why people defend this guy, just like I've long ago stopped trying to figure out why some people think OJ is innocent.
You cant just say MJ was a wierdo and not look at the facts. Its lazy and irresponsible to say stuff like that and then not make the effort to investigate the details of what went on. We know who the accusers families are. The 2nd family took the stand. We have transcripts.
If you want to tell me he abused kids you cant just say he did. You need proof. And we dont have that.
The jury in the 2nd trial didnt find him not guilty because he was a rich celebrity. If anything being MJ would hurt him. The story set forth and stated just didnt add up.
If you want to live in a place where MJ abused Gavin and held his family hostage and kidnapped them by hot air balloon and wouldnt let them see the date and time. Then you are your own. Because thats not reality. Its proven non-reality.
Generally I make it a practice to be skeptical of claims obtained via truth serum. Or made by parents with proven lies about past sexual assault. Not only did the mom lie about the Walmart abuse, she sought to obtain money. She told her children to call MJ "Daddy".
Jordy chandlers dad is quoted as saying via a recorded phone conversation:
" "If I go through with this, I win big time. There’s no way that I lose. I’ve checked that out inside out...I will get everything I want, and they will be totally — they will be destroyed forever. They will be destroyed. June is gonna lose Jordy. She will have no right to ever see him again."
A year after the 2005 trial, Jordy filed charges against his dad and alleged his dad choked him and hit him in the head with a barbell and mace and tried to kill him.
Both accusers family asked MJ for money. The 2nd trial as I said presented Jay Leno and George Lopez and Chris Tucker who all said Gavins mom ran the same game on them, asking for money. Lopez claimed he had a falling out with the family because they kept pestering him, demanding more money.
Most reporters at the 2nd trial viewed the mom's testimony as delusional, the result of drug or perscription drug use, and absolutely nonsensical.
During their alleged captivity, the Arvizos took shopping trips into town, billing $3,312.05 worth of purchases to Michael Jackson.[43][53] Mesereau remembered to Janet Arvizo her good life at the expenses of Michael at Neverland, reminding her that the pop star took care of both cares for Gavin and her whims such as full waxing tratments and much more (Testimony J.Arvizo).[9] They also met with their lawyer and visited a Federal building during this time, and made phone calls to various people, though never the police.
She was often unresponsive even to the prosecution, was defensive over seemingly small issues, and the judge admonished her for arguing. She repeatedly used catchphrases, such as "It's burned inside my memory" and "Money doesn't buy happiness."[16] Questions were often answered with tangential speeches addressed directly to the jury, the press, or the defendant. Defense attorney Tom Mesereau refused to object to her rambling, emotional diatribes, which resulted in prosecutor Sneddon repeatedly objecting to his own witness's answers. It was also revealed that Janet Arvizo had enrolled all three of her children in acting classes, and had accused a JC Penney's security guard of sexually molesting her two sons in 2001.[16] In February 2006, Janet Arvizo was convicted of welfare fraud for failing to report the $150,000 civil settlement in that case. She was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and a $8,600 fine.[18]
First accusers mom's testimony-
The woman admitted that her ex-husband Evan, Jordie's father, told her that relationship with Michael for Jordie was a great opportunity to not having to worry for the rest of his life(Testimony June Chandeler)
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Likes young boys? I assume you mean this in a criminal way. What evidence do you have beyond two hallucinatory confessions by the accusors, that MJ ever did ANYTHING untoward to the 2 accusers or anyone else during his entire life?
To accuse someone of such a crime, you need evidence. I followed the case from day 1. I watched the trial in 2005. Ive read transcripts of it all. There is no evidence.
The cases are lacking in any smoking gun. You dont think that if the LAPD really had found some serious piece of evidence that would definitively prove MJ molested children, that this wouldnt have been THE SMOKING GUN at both trials?
I never saw it. And thats cause it didnt exist. 2 confessions. thats it. Thats the "evidence".
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Oh yeah, his music also sucked ... Just a well marketed freak and was probably more a curiosity for many people
Anyone who would own anything that this sicko did needs to give their head a shake.
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Yea the fact that there were 1000's of kids at neverland ranch and he was only accused 2 times always seemed strange to me (if the accusations were true).
Plus if the accusations were true, why would the parents take money in exchange for their silence? I wouldn't. I would want that person rotting in jail (or worse) and I would never stop talking about it. Now if I was a conman taking advantage of a very rich person's strange (but not illegal) relationship with kids I would take the payoff and be laughing all the way to the bank.
:roll:
http://www.mjfacts.info/resources/01180 ... aseemd.pdf
MJ said he paid them off because he didn't want to subject his family to a trial
How's that working out for your daughter these days MJ?
He was never convicted, at the end of the day the prosecutor either fucked it up or he never did it.... You have to live with the system and move on. The cases were never slam dunks with any real evidence than shady people's accounts.
I personally think he probably did it, but I also know tons of clergy got away with it, tons of scumbag stockbrokers, bankers brought down the global economy, bush and his douchbag cabinet set a chain of events where we lost trillions, million killed and we never found wmd's.
What's the point? Rich people/institutions skate while the rest of us smoke a fuckin joint and you can get arrested unless you live in a few places.
Society is an evil bitch most of the time
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
enjoyed reading your well thought out and rounded comments in this thread.
MJ struggled with these stories whilst alive and had to endure very public trials regarding them, and was found innocent. People will never let it lie, which is a shame, attacking a man who can no longer defend himself from beyond the grave in an attempt at sensationalist media headlines is pretty pathetic.
Sure he wasn't what many would consider 'normal', sure his life was a circus (mostly through being a child star and thoroughly exploited), and sure he was robbed of his childhood, and was uber wealthy as a result.....but to jump on the bandwagon time and time again through 'what you are told by the news' without knowing anything more is quite sad.
In August 1993, Jackson's home was raided by the police who, according to court documents, found books and photographs in his bedroom featuring young boys with little or no clothing.[139] In Dec 1993, Jackson was strip searched.[140] Jordan Chandler had reportedly given police a description of Jackson's intimate parts, and the strip search revealed that Jordan had correctly claimed Jackson had patchy-coloured buttocks, short pubic hair, and pink and brown marked testicles, but wrongly claimed Jackson was circumcised, though doctors at the strip search also struggled to tell if Jackson was circumcised.[140] Reportedly, Jordan had also previously drawn accurate pictures of a dark spot on Jackson's penis only visible when his penis was lifted.[141] This dark spot was corroborated by the sheriff's photographer[142] and the District Attorney in sworn affidavits.
MJ pays them $22M out of court. They stop working with the police. And the case is dropped.
^this
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
i also thought of that south park episode
(and so sorry about your doggie)
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I guess O.J. was innocent too, right? Just because you're found innocent in court doesn't mean that you are!!
Money= the best lawyers or the ability to pay outrageous settlements.
Repeat, he was a diddler!! Too bad his death wasn't slow and extremely painful.
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to lets say someone on this planet who has never seen Michael Jackson Before
Like I said earlier Michael brought alot of this shit on himself, and yes rich people get away with shit all the time....but Why do millions of people have a hard time believing Priests and other clergy are capable of Rape when there is much more hard evidence than Michael Jackson?? After Michael's 1st run in with these allegations you dont think the Santa Barbara police, or some tabloid rag didnt keep that Super Spotlight on him to get that piece of evidence that would leave no doubt? The cases feel apart in court
Now you have this douche backup dancer claiming Michael raped him for years, and yet he said he didnt under outh. This Douche was also once rich and is now broke.
Who would let their kids stay with Michael after years of allegations??? Opportunists thats who?
I'm not trying to defend the guy..but if you wanna convict people on hearsay than this country becomes a bigger prison than it already is.
Again, breaks my heart. To have it questioned by anyone...forty years later and I don't think I'll ever forget that subsequent kick in the figurative balls.
While there may never be justice, may there at least be release that brings about peace.
Perhaps the integrity began to slip when John and Paul chose to Incorporate and leave the precious collection vulnerable.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I can tell it still bothers you :P
BTW - Happy Canada Day!
MJ is dead already. Here's the proof.
http://youtu.be/yKs8ft0dBss
Sample NE stories right now on the front page:
Exclusive: Gandolfini was set to dump wife!
Stressed out Brad goes from Hunk to Chunk!
Charlie and Ashton war over Mila!
If you want to tell me he abused kids you cant just say he did. You need proof. And we dont have that.
The jury in the 2nd trial didnt find him not guilty because he was a rich celebrity. If anything being MJ would hurt him. The story set forth and stated just didnt add up.
If you want to live in a place where MJ abused Gavin and held his family hostage and kidnapped them by hot air balloon and wouldnt let them see the date and time. Then you are your own. Because thats not reality. Its proven non-reality.
Jordy chandlers dad is quoted as saying via a recorded phone conversation:
" "If I go through with this, I win big time. There’s no way that I lose. I’ve checked that out inside out...I will get everything I want, and they will be totally — they will be destroyed forever. They will be destroyed. June is gonna lose Jordy. She will have no right to ever see him again."
A year after the 2005 trial, Jordy filed charges against his dad and alleged his dad choked him and hit him in the head with a barbell and mace and tried to kill him.
Both accusers family asked MJ for money. The 2nd trial as I said presented Jay Leno and George Lopez and Chris Tucker who all said Gavins mom ran the same game on them, asking for money. Lopez claimed he had a falling out with the family because they kept pestering him, demanding more money.
Most reporters at the 2nd trial viewed the mom's testimony as delusional, the result of drug or perscription drug use, and absolutely nonsensical.
During their alleged captivity, the Arvizos took shopping trips into town, billing $3,312.05 worth of purchases to Michael Jackson.[43][53] Mesereau remembered to Janet Arvizo her good life at the expenses of Michael at Neverland, reminding her that the pop star took care of both cares for Gavin and her whims such as full waxing tratments and much more (Testimony J.Arvizo).[9] They also met with their lawyer and visited a Federal building during this time, and made phone calls to various people, though never the police.
She was often unresponsive even to the prosecution, was defensive over seemingly small issues, and the judge admonished her for arguing. She repeatedly used catchphrases, such as "It's burned inside my memory" and "Money doesn't buy happiness."[16] Questions were often answered with tangential speeches addressed directly to the jury, the press, or the defendant. Defense attorney Tom Mesereau refused to object to her rambling, emotional diatribes, which resulted in prosecutor Sneddon repeatedly objecting to his own witness's answers. It was also revealed that Janet Arvizo had enrolled all three of her children in acting classes, and had accused a JC Penney's security guard of sexually molesting her two sons in 2001.[16] In February 2006, Janet Arvizo was convicted of welfare fraud for failing to report the $150,000 civil settlement in that case. She was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and a $8,600 fine.[18]
First accusers mom's testimony-
The woman admitted that her ex-husband Evan, Jordie's father, told her that relationship with Michael for Jordie was a great opportunity to not having to worry for the rest of his life(Testimony June Chandeler)