Senate immigration deal

Guitar92player

Moonpig wrote:

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

Well, us immigrants who came and conquered have been paying taxes and speak the language spoken by the majority.

The ones coming here now illegally (whoever it may be, but mainly mexicans and other spanish-speaking countries), do not pay taxes and are failing to live by the law.

Yeah, we came here "illegally" but the past has passed and we are living in the present. We conquered the land, its ours. 8-)

Guitar92player

Godfather. wrote:

well then all that feel that guilty...here's what ya do...go out and find a local Mexican or Native American and say this.."I'm so very sorry you sold or traded your land away for beeds and pelts or money or lost it in a military defeat so here is the deed to my family home/land and I and my family will move to Alaska because my country bought it from Russia fare and square and I'll feel better about myself if you take it."

any takers ? I hear bear and seal meat is great this time of year


Godfather.

I pretty much agree with ya, but as a history major in school (who has studied and will continue to study native americans) we pretty much screwed them over. It wasn't because they just wanted the cool things we gave them, we murdered them and took their land(unintentionally sometimes, like with disease) and in some cases we got them drunk so they handed stuff over easily. And we also became allies with them and we obeyed their trust (Plymouth Colony and the Wampanoags).

If I had it my way, I'd give the native americans a lot more land than what they got right now.

Just sayin

brianlux

Guitar92player wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well then all that feel that guilty...here's what ya do...go out and find a local Mexican or Native American and say this.."I'm so very sorry you sold or traded your land away for beeds and pelts or money or lost it in a military defeat so here is the deed to my family home/land and I and my family will move to Alaska because my country bought it from Russia fare and square and I'll feel better about myself if you take it."

any takers ? I hear bear and seal meat is great this time of year


Godfather.

I pretty much agree with ya, but as a history major in school (who has studied and will continue to study native americans) we pretty much screwed them over. It wasn't because they just wanted the cool things we gave them, we murdered them and took their land(unintentionally sometimes, like with disease) and in some cases we got them drunk so they handed stuff over easily. And we also became allies with them and we obeyed their trust (Plymouth Colony and the Wampanoags).

If I had it my way, I'd give the native americans a lot more land than what they got right now.

Just sayin

First of all, sorry godfather, Alaska was ripped off too- the Inuit had a long-standing truly sustainable relationship with the land and sea there. No more.

As far as Indians go- yeah, we owe them big-time. Things are a bit better on some reservations but for the most part they are still some of the worst places in America in terms of poverty, health, crime etc. We totally screwed their culture and decimated their population. It will never be the same. Obviously very few if any of us will give them our property- few of us can afford to do that and making oneself homeless helps no one. As a country though- yeah, we could do much much more. Americans either hate the Indians and Mexicans, do their utmost to ignore the problems, or act like wanna-be Indians which, if you read Sherman Alexie, Vine Deloria, Ward Churchill, Adrian C. Louis, Richard Rodriguez etc, you'll understand how ridiculous that is as well.

Moonpig

Guitar92player wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

Well, us immigrants who came and conquered have been paying taxes and speak the language spoken by the majority.

The ones coming here now illegally (whoever it may be, but mainly mexicans and other spanish-speaking countries), do not pay taxes and are failing to live by the law.

Yeah, we came here "illegally" but the past has passed and we are living in the present. We conquered the land, its ours. 8-)

Nice to know.

So these Mexicans, they pay no taxes at all?? I find that impossible to believe sorry. And how do you know it's mostly Spanish speaking people that flee to your utopia, I'd like to see an actual breakdown of those figures if you care to back it up.

Seems very ironic that we are talking about native Americans in an immigration thread, without there being some sort of punch line

Kel Varnsen

Moonpig wrote:

So these Mexicans, they pay no taxes at all?? I find that impossible to believe sorry. And how do you know it's mostly Spanish speaking people that flee to your utopia, I'd like to see an actual breakdown of those figures if you care to back it up.

Actually even if they aren't paying income taxes, they are still paying sales tax, not to mention property taxes are being paid on the places they are living. In places like the US and Canada, it is next to impossible to pay no taxes. I actually read an article recently about how even illegal immigrants in the US are a boost to the economy.

http://www.cracked.com/article_20454_5-scary-myths-you-probably-believe-about-economy.html

Godfather.

Guitar92player wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well then all that feel that guilty...here's what ya do...go out and find a local Mexican or Native American and say this.."I'm so very sorry you sold or traded your land away for beeds and pelts or money or lost it in a military defeat so here is the deed to my family home/land and I and my family will move to Alaska because my country bought it from Russia fare and square and I'll feel better about myself if you take it."

any takers ? I hear bear and seal meat is great this time of year


Godfather.

I pretty much agree with ya, but as a history major in school (who has studied and will continue to study native americans) we pretty much screwed them over. It wasn't because they just wanted the cool things we gave them, we murdered them and took their land(unintentionally sometimes, like with disease) and in some cases we got them drunk so they handed stuff over easily. And we also became allies with them and we obeyed their trust (Plymouth Colony and the Wampanoags).

If I had it my way, I'd give the native americans a lot more land than what they got right now.

Just sayin

this should settle all debate,check this out Bro.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... skull.html

But recent research, including the Baja California study, indicates that the initial settlement of the continent was instead driven by Southeast Asians who occupied Australia 60,000 years ago and then expanded into the Americas about 13,500 years ago, prior to Mongoloid people arriving from northeast Asia.

The skulls from Baja California, which may date back only a few hundred years, have slender-looking faces that are different from the broad-cheeked craniums of modern Amerindians, the descendants of the Mongoloid people.

sooooo I put my money on a military action/win.

Godfather.

aerial

Those of you that want to twist this into a racist, bigotry problem why is it you people refuse to understand the facts? NO ONE is against immigration....one more time...NO ONE is against immigration!

Why do you have problems with the law and encourage people to break the laws?

People are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.....ILLEGAL....NOT Immigration.. :fp:

Godfather.

aerial wrote:

Those of you that want to twist this into a racist, bigotry problem why is it you people refuse to understand the facts? NO ONE is against immigration....one more time...NO ONE is against immigration!

Why do you have problems with the law and encourage people to break the laws?

People are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.....ILLEGAL....NOT Immigration..

:thumbup:

some folks just don't feel they have made a point unless they have someone to point a finger at....if we disagree we are racist and bigots.

Godfather.

Godfather.

let's go waaaayyyyy back.......

Godfather.



A fossilized, cigar-shaped creature that lived about 520 million years ago has been unearthed in Morocco.

The newfound species, Helicocystis moroccoensis, has "characteristics that place it as the most primitive echinoderm that has fivefold symmetry," said study co-author Andrew Smith, a paleontologist at the Natural History Museum in London, referring to the group of animals that includes starfish and sea urchins. Modern echinoderms typically have five-point symmetry, such as the five arms of the starfish or the sand dollar's distinctive pattern.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/06/ ... z2XL8jhNH8

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

aerial wrote:

Those of you that want to twist this into a racist, bigotry problem why is it you people refuse to understand the facts? NO ONE is against immigration....one more time...NO ONE is against immigration!

Why do you have problems with the law and encourage people to break the laws?

People are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.....ILLEGAL....NOT Immigration..

:thumbup:

some folks just don't feel they have made a point unless they have someone to point a finger at....if we disagree we are racist and bigots.

Godfather.

With respect, I do not call you a bigot because you disagree with me, I call you a Bigot because of the views you espouse. It's that simple really, I disagree with people all the time. You have a hate of a group because of their stated religion, it's not rocket science Godfather.

And yeah I played the racist card because to be fair, ignorance is infectious and rarely limited to one subject, and as you and others have demonstrated time and time again by some very questionable posts, this statement holds some water.

So not my concern that you agree with my sentiment or not, just calling it as I see it.

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

aerial wrote:

Those of you that want to twist this into a racist, bigotry problem why is it you people refuse to understand the facts? NO ONE is against immigration....one more time...NO ONE is against immigration!

Why do you have problems with the law and encourage people to break the laws?

People are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.....ILLEGAL....NOT Immigration..

:thumbup:

some folks just don't feel they have made a point unless they have someone to point a finger at....if we disagree we are racist and bigots.

Godfather.

With respect, I do not call you a bigot because you disagree with me, I call you a Bigot because of the views you espouse. It's that simple really, I disagree with people all the time. You have a hate of a group because of their stated religion, it's not rocket science Godfather.

And yeah I played the racist card because to be fair, ignorance is infectious and rarely limited to one subject, and as you and others have demonstrated time and time again by some very questionable posts, this statement holds some water.

So not my concern that you agree with my sentiment or not, just calling it as I see it.

tell me why...specificly I am a bigot.


Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

:thumbup:

some folks just don't feel they have made a point unless they have someone to point a finger at....if we disagree we are racist and bigots.

Godfather.

With respect, I do not call you a bigot because you disagree with me, I call you a Bigot because of the views you espouse. It's that simple really, I disagree with people all the time. You have a hate of a group because of their stated religion, it's not rocket science Godfather.

And yeah I played the racist card because to be fair, ignorance is infectious and rarely limited to one subject, and as you and others have demonstrated time and time again by some very questionable posts, this statement holds some water.

So not my concern that you agree with my sentiment or not, just calling it as I see it.

tell me why...specificly I am a bigot.


Godfather.

Wow really??

Ok well your stated aim that all Muslims should be removed from the US is a case in point. Even those born in the states and have lived there for generations, lol, your insistence that these people are some how less American than you is laughable.

Where both parents who were born in the states and have children and all of whom are Muslim, how far back the family tree should we go with respect to which country they be deported to? If their great grand parents were Algerian and Irish, do you flip a coin??

I suspect there are Muslims who have lived in America longer than you and yet you insist they are less American than you, this is what makes you a bigot.

But you know this, you have stated it many times. If you continue to be wilfully ignorant of your previous statements I can provide direct quotes to your bile, give me time though as in using my phone here and will do so when I get access to my laptop.

I understand I have been persistent on this issue lately, but it's because I feel you have been given a pass by people on these boards, and if others had said the things you did they would have been called on it, so I'm highlighting the complete hypocrisy of some on here. Bigotry should not be condoned at all, no matter who it is saying it,

Godfather.

maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.

and given a pass ? to be on a message board I paid to be on ? if my views and opinions are different than your does that make you right ? if my ideas and thoughts on things piss you off ...oh well ! but really I think you need someone to vent your anger at and sense I'm not your stereo typical PJ fan and not a follower you have found a target glad I could help

Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.

Godfather.

And what if there country of origin is America???

Lol I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

Guitar92player

Moonpig wrote:

Guitar92player wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.

"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"

Well, us immigrants who came and conquered have been paying taxes and speak the language spoken by the majority.

The ones coming here now illegally (whoever it may be, but mainly mexicans and other spanish-speaking countries), do not pay taxes and are failing to live by the law.

Yeah, we came here "illegally" but the past has passed and we are living in the present. We conquered the land, its ours. 8-)

Nice to know.

So these Mexicans, they pay no taxes at all?? I find that impossible to believe sorry. And how do you know it's mostly Spanish speaking people that flee to your utopia, I'd like to see an actual breakdown of those figures if you care to back it up.

Seems very ironic that we are talking about native Americans in an immigration thread, without there being some sort of punch line

I apologize, I made a major generalization. But there are those who come here and live with family and/or friends and then go to work. So basically living here for free.

And I know people from various countries come here illegally, but i was referring to the countries south of the USA. Many places I go in town have employees who speak only spanish, and i have family who work with employees who speak little to no english (not saying they are illegal, but the fact that they dont learn English annoys me).

So my point is that i just wish people will come here legally, learn our language, and respect our laws. I understand some people get desperate and come here illegally, but why not make an effort to do it legally when possible. If you havent caught on yet, its a difficult topic for me. I understand why they do it, but it still annoys me. So yeah...

Godfather.

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.

Godfather.

And what if there country of origin is America???

Lol I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

jail.

Godfather.

Guitar92player

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.

Godfather.

And what if there country of origin is America???

Lol I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

jail.

Godfather.

But you said that even Muslims who did not commit terrorism should be sent away. I do not recall you saying specific ones who committed terrorism. I recall you saying Muslims in general.

I admit, I could be wrong. But I do not recall you being specific like you just said.

Godfather.

:think: really ?

Godfather.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

And what if there country of origin is America???

Lol I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

jail.

Godfather.

Interesting, so if a Muslim who is an American citizen is "suspected" of being a terrorist then he/she should be sent to prison?

What about innocent until proven guilty? Doesn't your constitution inshrine such principles? And here I thought you were a massive advocate of defending the constitution at all costs. I mean all the bleeding on about the 2nd amendment had me believing that this document was the be all and end all,

Land of the free indeed.

Moonpig

Godfather. wrote:

:think: really ?

Godfather.

Yup, take a look at some past posts, like I said I can provide at a later time.