Those of you that want to twist this into a racist, bigotry problem why is it you people refuse to understand the facts? NO ONE is against immigration....one more time...NO ONE is against immigration!
Why do you have problems with the law and encourage people to break the laws?
People are against ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.....ILLEGAL....NOT Immigration..
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some folks just don't feel they have made a point unless they have someone to point a finger at....if we disagree we are racist and bigots.
Godfather.
With respect, I do not call you a bigot because you disagree with me, I call you a Bigot because of the views you espouse. It's that simple really, I disagree with people all the time. You have a hate of a group because of their stated religion, it's not rocket science Godfather.
And yeah I played the racist card because to be fair, ignorance is infectious and rarely limited to one subject, and as you and others have demonstrated time and time again by some very questionable posts, this statement holds some water.
So not my concern that you agree with my sentiment or not, just calling it as I see it.
some folks just don't feel they have made a point unless they have someone to point a finger at....if we disagree we are racist and bigots.
Godfather.
With respect, I do not call you a bigot because you disagree with me, I call you a Bigot because of the views you espouse. It's that simple really, I disagree with people all the time. You have a hate of a group because of their stated religion, it's not rocket science Godfather.
And yeah I played the racist card because to be fair, ignorance is infectious and rarely limited to one subject, and as you and others have demonstrated time and time again by some very questionable posts, this statement holds some water.
So not my concern that you agree with my sentiment or not, just calling it as I see it.
tell me why...specificly I am a bigot.
Godfather.
Wow really??
Ok well your stated aim that all Muslims should be removed from the US is a case in point. Even those born in the states and have lived there for generations, lol, your insistence that these people are some how less American than you is laughable.
Where both parents who were born in the states and have children and all of whom are Muslim, how far back the family tree should we go with respect to which country they be deported to? If their great grand parents were Algerian and Irish, do you flip a coin??
I suspect there are Muslims who have lived in America longer than you and yet you insist they are less American than you, this is what makes you a bigot.
But you know this, you have stated it many times. If you continue to be wilfully ignorant of your previous statements I can provide direct quotes to your bile, give me time though as in using my phone here and will do so when I get access to my laptop.
I understand I have been persistent on this issue lately, but it's because I feel you have been given a pass by people on these boards, and if others had said the things you did they would have been called on it, so I'm highlighting the complete hypocrisy of some on here. Bigotry should not be condoned at all, no matter who it is saying it,
maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.
and given a pass ? to be on a message board I paid to be on ? if my views and opinions are different than your does that make you right ? if my ideas and thoughts on things piss you off ...oh well ! but really I think you need someone to vent your anger at and sense I'm not your stereo typical PJ fan and not a follower you have found a target glad I could help
maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.
Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.
"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"
Well, us immigrants who came and conquered have been paying taxes and speak the language spoken by the majority.
The ones coming here now illegally (whoever it may be, but mainly mexicans and other spanish-speaking countries), do not pay taxes and are failing to live by the law.
Yeah, we came here "illegally" but the past has passed and we are living in the present. We conquered the land, its ours.
Nice to know.
So these Mexicans, they pay no taxes at all?? I find that impossible to believe sorry. And how do you know it's mostly Spanish speaking people that flee to your utopia, I'd like to see an actual breakdown of those figures if you care to back it up.
Seems very ironic that we are talking about native Americans in an immigration thread, without there being some sort of punch line
I apologize, I made a major generalization. But there are those who come here and live with family and/or friends and then go to work. So basically living here for free.
And I know people from various countries come here illegally, but i was referring to the countries south of the USA. Many places I go in town have employees who speak only spanish, and i have family who work with employees who speak little to no english (not saying they are illegal, but the fact that they dont learn English annoys me).
So my point is that i just wish people will come here legally, learn our language, and respect our laws. I understand some people get desperate and come here illegally, but why not make an effort to do it legally when possible. If you havent caught on yet, its a difficult topic for me. I understand why they do it, but it still annoys me. So yeah...
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.
maybe you should go back and re-read my posts,I still stand by my statement not letting any muslims into the US and ANY that are suspected of trerrorism no matter long they have been here sent away to their country of orign or jail...and that is why you call me a bigot ? so be it I'm fine with that. you make it sound like a bad thing.
Godfather.
And what if there country of origin is America???
Lol I can't believe I'm having this conversation.
jail.
Godfather.
But you said that even Muslims who did not commit terrorism should be sent away. I do not recall you saying specific ones who committed terrorism. I recall you saying Muslims in general.
I admit, I could be wrong. But I do not recall you being specific like you just said.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Interesting, so if a Muslim who is an American citizen is "suspected" of being a terrorist then he/she should be sent to prison?
What about innocent until proven guilty? Doesn't your constitution inshrine such principles? And here I thought you were a massive advocate of defending the constitution at all costs. I mean all the bleeding on about the 2nd amendment had me believing that this document was the be all and end all,
Well, us immigrants who came and conquered have been paying taxes and speak the language spoken by the majority.
The ones coming here now illegally (whoever it may be, but mainly mexicans and other spanish-speaking countries), do not pay taxes and are failing to live by the law.
Yeah, we came here "illegally" but the past has passed and we are living in the present. We conquered the land, its ours.
Nice to know.
So these Mexicans, they pay no taxes at all?? I find that impossible to believe sorry. And how do you know it's mostly Spanish speaking people that flee to your utopia, I'd like to see an actual breakdown of those figures if you care to back it up.
Seems very ironic that we are talking about native Americans in an immigration thread, without there being some sort of punch line
I apologize, I made a major generalization. But there are those who come here and live with family and/or friends and then go to work. So basically living here for free.
And I know people from various countries come here illegally, but i was referring to the countries south of the USA. Many places I go in town have employees who speak only spanish, and i have family who work with employees who speak little to no english (not saying they are illegal, but the fact that they dont learn English annoys me).
So my point is that i just wish people will come here legally, learn our language, and respect our laws. I understand some people get desperate and come here illegally, but why not make an effort to do it legally when possible. If you havent caught on yet, its a difficult topic for me. I understand why they do it, but it still annoys me. So yeah...
Hey no need to apologise, I think we're just at polar opposites when it comes to this particular subject.
Hey no need to apologise, I think we're just at polar opposites when it comes to this particular subject.
Well, your view (I think) is that those against immigration are racist.
I, am not racist. You never said I was, but I just want to point that out.
I welcome immigration. I am a history major and I love reading about all those who made this country, all of whom were immigrants.
I am just against the illegal immigration of today, which most of which is mexican and other spanish countries. Do I hate them? Not at all. I sympathize for those who come here who were living in shit conditions back home. I just dont sympathize for those who come here to take advantage of our laws.
So I do not think we are polar opposites in this subject. I understand and agree that it is bizarre that the US is fighting illegal immigration despite the US being built by immigrants. But that doesnt mean we can't take measures to stop illegal activities going on.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Hey no need to apologise, I think we're just at polar opposites when it comes to this particular subject.
Well, your view (I think) is that those against immigration are racist.
I, am not racist. You never said I was, but I just want to point that out.
I welcome immigration. I am a history major and I love reading about all those who made this country, all of whom were immigrants.
I am just against the illegal immigration of today, which most of which is mexican and other spanish countries. Do I hate them? Not at all. I sympathize for those who come here who were living in shit conditions back home. I just dont sympathize for those who come here to take advantage of our laws.
So I do not think we are polar opposites in this subject. I understand and agree that it is bizarre that the US is fighting illegal immigration despite the US being built by immigrants. But that doesnt mean we can't take measures to stop illegal activities going on.
Yeah I kind of did draw parallels on the whole racism thing, it was more a comment towards some of the more extreme posters who have expressed such opinions.
Absolute apologies for the presumption that it was directed at everyone, was a little immature and reactionary of me to say.
Interesting, a country founded on immigration has decided, no more. Immigration, the last safe house for racists. People that are not necessarily against immigration per se, just the easy identifiable ones, you know, ones of colour.
"Hey Mexican, get out of your country!!"
Well, us immigrants who came and conquered have been paying taxes and speak the language spoken by the majority.
The ones coming here now illegally (whoever it may be, but mainly mexicans and other spanish-speaking countries), do not pay taxes and are failing to live by the law.
Yeah, we came here "illegally" but the past has passed and we are living in the present. We conquered the land, its ours.
they pay sales taxes. any other taxes(income SS etc,) unpaid by an employer who is supposed to deduct and pay them to the government is a problem for me. Business gets a pass here in pocketing money that doesn't belong to them according to the laws we have in place now, for people who just want to work. I'm not a betting man , but I would wager the take home pay of an undocumented worker reflects tax withheld.
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tell me why...specificly I am a bigot.
Godfather.
Wow really??
Ok well your stated aim that all Muslims should be removed from the US is a case in point. Even those born in the states and have lived there for generations, lol, your insistence that these people are some how less American than you is laughable.
Where both parents who were born in the states and have children and all of whom are Muslim, how far back the family tree should we go with respect to which country they be deported to? If their great grand parents were Algerian and Irish, do you flip a coin??
I suspect there are Muslims who have lived in America longer than you and yet you insist they are less American than you, this is what makes you a bigot.
But you know this, you have stated it many times. If you continue to be wilfully ignorant of your previous statements I can provide direct quotes to your bile, give me time though as in using my phone here and will do so when I get access to my laptop.
I understand I have been persistent on this issue lately, but it's because I feel you have been given a pass by people on these boards, and if others had said the things you did they would have been called on it, so I'm highlighting the complete hypocrisy of some on here. Bigotry should not be condoned at all, no matter who it is saying it,
and given a pass ? to be on a message board I paid to be on ? if my views and opinions are different than your does that make you right ? if my ideas and thoughts on things piss you off ...oh well ! but really I think you need someone to vent your anger at and sense I'm not your stereo typical PJ fan and not a follower you have found a target
Godfather.
And what if there country of origin is America???
Lol I can't believe I'm having this conversation.
I apologize, I made a major generalization. But there are those who come here and live with family and/or friends and then go to work. So basically living here for free.
And I know people from various countries come here illegally, but i was referring to the countries south of the USA. Many places I go in town have employees who speak only spanish, and i have family who work with employees who speak little to no english (not saying they are illegal, but the fact that they dont learn English annoys me).
So my point is that i just wish people will come here legally, learn our language, and respect our laws. I understand some people get desperate and come here illegally, but why not make an effort to do it legally when possible. If you havent caught on yet, its a difficult topic for me. I understand why they do it, but it still annoys me. So yeah...
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
jail.
Godfather.
But you said that even Muslims who did not commit terrorism should be sent away. I do not recall you saying specific ones who committed terrorism. I recall you saying Muslims in general.
I admit, I could be wrong. But I do not recall you being specific like you just said.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Godfather.
Interesting, so if a Muslim who is an American citizen is "suspected" of being a terrorist then he/she should be sent to prison?
What about innocent until proven guilty? Doesn't your constitution inshrine such principles? And here I thought you were a massive advocate of defending the constitution at all costs. I mean all the bleeding on about the 2nd amendment had me believing that this document was the be all and end all,
Land of the free indeed.
Yup, take a look at some past posts, like I said I can provide at a later time.
Hey no need to apologise, I think we're just at polar opposites when it comes to this particular subject.
Well, your view (I think) is that those against immigration are racist.
I, am not racist. You never said I was, but I just want to point that out.
I welcome immigration. I am a history major and I love reading about all those who made this country, all of whom were immigrants.
I am just against the illegal immigration of today, which most of which is mexican and other spanish countries. Do I hate them? Not at all. I sympathize for those who come here who were living in shit conditions back home. I just dont sympathize for those who come here to take advantage of our laws.
So I do not think we are polar opposites in this subject. I understand and agree that it is bizarre that the US is fighting illegal immigration despite the US being built by immigrants. But that doesnt mean we can't take measures to stop illegal activities going on.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Yeah I kind of did draw parallels on the whole racism thing, it was more a comment towards some of the more extreme posters who have expressed such opinions.
Absolute apologies for the presumption that it was directed at everyone, was a little immature and reactionary of me to say.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14